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Rookierookie December 8th, 2011 05:06 PM

The bravest man alive
 
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llamabeast December 8th, 2011 08:05 PM

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WOW. That's a lot.

brxbrx December 9th, 2011 01:09 AM

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Flames from the sky, right?
That's impressive.
Too bad he's only got eighteen months to live...

Rookierookie December 9th, 2011 01:38 AM

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Flames from the sky, right?
That's impressive.
Too bad he's only got eighteen months to live...

Gift of Health is up, he will serve me until the end of time.

Here's the HoF going into year 40. The last one has kind of an awkward name :angel

llamabeast December 9th, 2011 05:45 AM

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Year 40?? You must be mad!

brxbrx December 9th, 2011 04:47 PM

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He's playing Glory of the Gods, and probably on SP. It's normal that it takes so long, and it's probably quite interesting to see what state the world is in.
It's fun to see how badly your dominion and your spells ****ed up the world. Playing as Hinnom, no province had more than 12000 population due to the constant bloodhunting, and my home province was occupied only by some Baali, a few Rephaim, and some Melqarts. Everybody else was eaten.

JonBrave December 9th, 2011 05:19 PM

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Too bad he's only got eighteen months to live...

How do you know that figure (ignoring the GoH mentioned later)?
The tooltips don't seem to work on that link :(

shatner December 9th, 2011 05:54 PM

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The first image in this thread shows the guy as having 18hp and is diseased. Also, he's old. Without GoH, the Chalice or a source of regeneration, he will lose 1hp a month until he reaches zero (in 18 months time) and die. Technically, GoH and the Chalice won't stop that directly but there is a very strong chance that his disease will be cured before he reaches 0hp so he can continue to nuke armies with remote fire spells for months and years to come.

JonBrave December 9th, 2011 06:50 PM

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Sigh. I had not appreciated that the "sick head" icon meant "diseased" == -1HP/turn. I thought it kind of meant clcik on it to discover what the effect is :( With the Hearts you don't know what they are till you click, right?

Starbelly Geek December 9th, 2011 06:56 PM

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Sigh. I had not appreciated that the "sick head" icon meant "diseased" == -1HP/turn. I thought it kind of meant clcik on it to discover what the effect is :( With the Hearts you don't know what they are till you click, right?

Well, if you play the game on a Linux box with the right command line switches, you can turn on the telepathic link that tells you what the hearts mean without your having to click on them. Same thing for figuring out what heroic quality the hall of fame gave a character. It's really cool.

JonBrave December 9th, 2011 07:01 PM

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Windows only :)

So to clarify:

* The "sick head" means "diseased", and that means -1HP/turn (without clicking)?
* The "hearts" can mean -ve HPs(?), or are they only "one-timers" and not per-turn-ers?

? :eek:

Starbelly Geek December 9th, 2011 08:43 PM

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Sick head means diseased.
Diseased is an affliction, so you'll also have a little heart, and the little heart will tell you about what it means to be diseased.

Diseased people lose a hit point per month (unless they are regenerating, in which case they lose a hit point every Late Winter turn) and have a chance every month of getting another affliction.

Other afflictions cause other side effects that generally don't involve the continual loss of hit points. Only "diseased" has an extra obvious indicator, although some are apparent from the stats (crippled = 2 AP, battle fright has lowered morale, blind has lots of zeroes) or description (lost limb means you only get one weapon and no shield).

shatner December 9th, 2011 08:51 PM

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The sick head means diseased. Also, one of the two hearts that unit has is the affliction "Diseased" (yes, that's redundant but diseased is an important enough affliction to get both a heart and a sick head icon). The other heart is... something else (limp, crippled, whatever). All afflictions are permanent and, other than diseased, none of them have accumulating effects (i.e. battle fright will always give a -5 moral and that penalty will never increase further).

As stated before, all afflictions are permanent until healed and healing is generally kinda rare. Forms of healing are:
1) the recuperation ability, which will constantly attempt to heal afflictions for that unit only
2) being immortal, acts the same as recuperation though it might not be as effective... not sure on that one
3) being in the same province as one or more friendly healers who are taking the "Heal" action. Note that you cannot heal afflictions on old units this way.
4) Being in the same province as a unit holding The Chalice
5) Being in friendly dominion while the spell Gift of Health is in effect
6) Any time you involuntarily change shape (like changing from a jaguar warrior into a werejaguar and again when changing back into a jaguar warrior after the battle is over) have a chance of healing afflictions. Voluntary shapechanging (like changing a dragon pretender into human form and back) won't heal afflictions

Starbelly Geek December 9th, 2011 08:56 PM

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3) being in the same province as one or more friendly healers who are taking the "Heal" action. Note that you cannot heal afflictions on old units this way.
4) Being in the same province as a unit holding The Chalice
5) Being in friendly dominion while the spell Gift of Health is in effect

It should probably be noted that of these three, only the second and third have a chance of working for the dude in the picture above, because he got diseased (most likely) from being old. Old age afflictions can't be healed by the "heal" action.

brxbrx December 9th, 2011 09:31 PM

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3) being in the same province as one or more friendly healers who are taking the "Heal" action. Note that you cannot heal afflictions on old units this way.
I didn't know that. Explains a lot.

Starbelly Geek December 9th, 2011 10:45 PM

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3) being in the same province as one or more friendly healers who are taking the "Heal" action. Note that you cannot heal afflictions on old units this way.
I didn't know that. Explains a lot.

Does, doesn't it? Explains, for example, that I didn't read past the word "action" on that line of that post.

brxbrx December 9th, 2011 11:44 PM

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3) being in the same province as one or more friendly healers who are taking the "Heal" action. Note that you cannot heal afflictions on old units this way.
I didn't know that. Explains a lot.

Does, doesn't it? Explains, for example, that I didn't read past the word "action" on that line of that post.

Wow. I didn't even read your post.

Peter Ebbesen December 10th, 2011 09:09 AM

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Morale 53 - I've got to admit with the OP, that is quite probably the bravest man alive.

brxbrx December 10th, 2011 09:28 AM

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Does morale even matter beyond that point? Can he be routed? I mean, he's got higher morale than a mindless unit. What does such high morale mean?

Peter Ebbesen December 10th, 2011 09:52 AM

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Does morale even matter beyond that point? Can he be routed? I mean, he's got higher morale than a mindless unit. What does such high morale mean?

It gives him serious bragging rights in the house of just fires. :angel

brxbrx December 10th, 2011 10:29 AM

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Does morale even matter beyond that point? Can he be routed? I mean, he's got higher morale than a mindless unit. What does such high morale mean?

It gives him serious bragging rights in the house of just fires. :angel

That made me smile

Corinthian December 10th, 2011 01:29 PM

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How does you even get morale that high? I mean he only get +4 from experience and he started with 15-20? Is his heroic ability heroic valor or heroic stupidity?

brxbrx December 10th, 2011 04:06 PM

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How does you even get morale that high? I mean he only get +4 from experience and he started with 15-20? Is his heroic ability heroic valor or heroic stupidity?

It's valor. You can see a standard.

Chazar December 12th, 2011 06:44 AM

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Well, if you play the game on a Linux box with the right command line switches, you can turn on the telepathic link that tells you what the hearts mean without your having to click on them. Same thing for figuring out what heroic quality the hall of fame gave a character. It's really cool.

Which command line switches are the right ones for this?

What does it do exactly?

I am playing on a Linux box, but I also have to click the hearts.

Starbelly Geek December 12th, 2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Starbelly Geek (Post 790499)
Well, if you play the game on a Linux box with the right command line switches, you can turn on the telepathic link that tells you what the hearts mean without your having to click on them. Same thing for figuring out what heroic quality the hall of fame gave a character. It's really cool.

Which command line switches are the right ones for this?

What does it do exactly?

I am playing on a Linux box, but I also have to click the hearts.

Well, I don't actually use a Linux box, so I'm not familiar with their eerie powers, but do you have up-to-date drivers for your telepathy hardware? It relies on a bluetooth connection to the receptor you should have had inserted behind your ear when you were visited by The Great Penguin, and the latest drivers are much more stable than previous versions.

PS - been to Ulm. Nice cathedral.

Chazar December 13th, 2011 03:48 AM

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Well, I don't actually use a Linux box, so I'm not familiar with their eerie powers, but do you have up-to-date drivers for your telepathy hardware? It relies on a bluetooth connection ...

Actually, I do use Telepathy (a communications framework), and it does (indirectly) work well with my Plantronics Bluetooth Headpiece already. It all makes sense to me, so I don't think this is a Linux driver issue. :penguin: I think the interface of Dom3 is to blame here, but this has been a long-standing issue - a well-known problem (don't get me started, there would be so many real simple tweaks to improve the GUI by a lot).

:doh: Ok, you were joking. Got it now; although I still don't get the original joke. :confused: Thanks for clarifying it anyway, for otherwise I would have kept wondering about it. :)

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PS - been to Ulm. Nice cathedral.

I've never been in Ulm, except for riding through it on a train once or twice. 200km is actually a fairly long distance, although I am travelling 400km twice a week. Incidentally, my travel both starts and ends within 200km of Ulm. Weird, isn't it?

JonBrave December 13th, 2011 04:00 PM

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:doh: Ok, you were joking. Got it now; although I still don't get the original joke. :confused:

Assuming you mean:

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Originally Posted by JonBrave (Post 790496)
Sigh. I had not appreciated that the "sick head" icon meant "diseased" == -1HP/turn. I thought it kind of meant clcik on it to discover what the effect is :( With the Hearts you don't know what they are till you click, right?

Well, if you play the game on a Linux box with the right command line switches, you can turn on the telepathic link that tells you what the hearts mean without your having to click on them. Same thing for figuring out what heroic quality the hall of fame gave a character. It's really cool.

I think Starbelly was being ironic from the start :) Linux or not (despite its mysticism), you're gonna have to click...

I grew up on Unix. For those who know, Kernighan & Ritchie wre clearly divine beings. Never used Linux.

Do you all recall the greatest moment for Unix in cinema history? I keep thinking it's from WarGames, but I think I'm wrong. The person goes "OMG it's a UNIX machine" but they can still crack it, doubtless with typing a lot of "ls -l"s ? Anyone??

Starbelly Geek December 13th, 2011 04:24 PM

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Do you all recall the greatest moment for Unix in cinema history? I keep thinking it's from WarGames, but I think I'm wrong. The person goes "OMG it's a UNIX machine" but they can still crack it, doubtless with typing a lot of "ls -l"s ? Anyone??

There's a line in Jurassic Park where the little girl sits down at the Macintosh computer and says "It's a Unix system. I know this!" and proceeds to use the strangest GUI ever to interact with the security system.
At least the interfaces and games in Wargames vaguely resembled what they claimed to be.

JonBrave December 13th, 2011 04:40 PM

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You're a hero, StarBelly, I'm sure you're right, will look it up in a mo'...! :)

JonBrave December 13th, 2011 05:00 PM

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Yes indeedy :D:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng

And as I recall, the scene goes on to: she has to arcade-navigate the on-screen UNIX-file-system in order to get to a file... Eat your hearts out, Linux-ers, this was the era of real UNIX GUIs...


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