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legowarrior February 22nd, 2012 07:32 PM

National summon as a god?
 
If you could get any national summon or unit to be the chassis for your pretender, what would it be, and what would the starting stats and abilities be.

To start things off, the Ryujin from the jomon would be fun, I think it would have 2 water magic and cheap access to other paths (maybe 30 per path) and 2 domain.

shatner February 22nd, 2012 08:15 PM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
Something like Ulm's Iron Angel would be neat. Give it some earth magic, a modest forge bonus, excellent combat abilities and make additional magic paths exorbitantly expensive for it then turn it loose to terrorize heretical sacreds.

Knai February 23rd, 2012 03:15 AM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
The Ether Lord and Coatl would both be nice enough. They have fairly good magic, and in both cases can have Astral 7 for cheap. The Ether Lord then has good Death Access, and the Coatl can cover a Nature/Earth/Astral bless, which is absolutely fantastic for some nations.

Kobal2 February 23rd, 2012 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shatner (Post 796484)
Something like Ulm's Iron Angel would be neat. Give it some earth magic, a modest forge bonus, excellent combat abilities and make additional magic paths exorbitantly expensive for it then turn it loose to terrorize heretical sacreds.

In the same vein: Marignon's Fallen Angel, as a specialized variant on the Moloch's theme. Start the god with F1D1B1 Fear +0 Dom 3, 80 points for additional paths and 100 or 125 points for the chassis itself.

Korwin February 23rd, 2012 05:55 AM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
Hinnoms Lvl. 9 Blood Summon...

Peter Ebbesen February 23rd, 2012 07:47 AM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
Azazel, the Lord of Civilization, would probably be the first choice.

But the Eater of the Dead, if changed so it didn't go uncontrollable at the last stage, would be funnier as a pretender. :D

Corinthian February 23rd, 2012 10:45 AM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
Actually, Knai, the Coatl already exist as a pretender choice for MA Mictlan. Called the lawgiver. But he is shape shifted into human form in pretender selection. You can shift him back if you chose him.

And I am still surprised over the composition of some indyprovinces. Yesterday in a test game I stumbled over Pazuzu the demon lord as an indy commander guarding a desert and kitted with bad SC equipment.:happy:

I have never seen that one before.

Kobal2 February 23rd, 2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Corinthian (Post 796536)
Actually, Knai, the Coatl already exist as a pretender choice for MA Mictlan. Called the lawgiver. But he is shape shifted into human form in pretender selection. You can shift him back if you choose him.

Though why you would want to is beyond my ken - he gains maybe a couple dozen hitpoints (and a standard, weeeee !) at the cost of half his item slots and becoming cold blooded. He doesn't even need to be in Coatl form to fly around !

brxbrx February 23rd, 2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Ebbesen (Post 796525)
Azazel, the Lord of Civilization, would probably be the first choice.

Totally my choice.
And while it's not really a national summon, a rimtursar (don't know the singular) would be pretty cool for Niefelheim.

brxbrx February 23rd, 2012 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobal2 (Post 796537)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corinthian (Post 796536)
Actually, Knai, the Coatl already exist as a pretender choice for MA Mictlan. Called the lawgiver. But he is shape shifted into human form in pretender selection. You can shift him back if you choose him.

Though why you would want to is beyond my ken - he gains maybe a couple dozen hitpoints (and a standard, weeeee !) at the cost of half his item slots and becoming cold blooded. He doesn't even need to be in Coatl form to fly around !

I think he changes shape upon death.

Olm February 23rd, 2012 03:30 PM

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I've been missing Trees as pretenders ever since.
An immobile Treelord pretender with Nature and a bit Earth, generating a not so small amount of Nature Gems per turn would be super thematic for Man and also usable for TNN, Eriu, Pan and all other Nature nations. There is even Yggdrasil as mythological source for this. (Getting in Norns also would be cool in this case).

Treeants would also be a great choice as pretender chassis and even Ivy Lords could do.

Plants are underrepresented anyways. What about a giant subconscious fungus as pretender? (For the biology geeks: I know fungi are no plants....)
Or a giant Bloodvine.
Or something strange like a field of Orchids or the like.

shatner February 23rd, 2012 03:38 PM

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The monolith generates nature gems because of druidic rituals, so that's similarly immobile and nature-generating.

There is a mod out about a nation of fungi which has some pretty clever mechanics in place to support mobile and immobile mushroom monsters.

I know neither of these are exactly what you're asking for but they're kinda close and available today.

Admiral_Aorta February 24th, 2012 04:15 AM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
Ryleh can get the void lurker, which is decribed as an underwater fungus.

parone February 26th, 2012 08:35 PM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
i love crossbreeding. they are useless, but i just love them. i blow all my slaves on them.

a mega crossbreed that spawned a little differnt each game would be cool

Bwaha February 26th, 2012 08:44 PM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
I'd go for a Seraph... :angel

brxbrx February 26th, 2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by parone (Post 796862)
i love crossbreeding. they are useless, but i just love them. i blow all my slaves on them.

a mega crossbreed that spawned a little differnt each game would be cool

Crossbreeding isn't useless. You can get some pretty cool results, especially if you're a powerful mage and you have luck scales.

parone February 27th, 2012 08:01 AM

Re: National summon as a god?
 
never thought of uping luck scales...:happy:

Peter Ebbesen February 27th, 2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwaha (Post 796863)
I'd go for a Seraph... :angel

You'd choose a generic Seraph over Azazel!?


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