Domain 4? Death?
 

I'm playing a nation without sacred, and I will have an awake Pretender with decent scales, how crazy is it to have only 4 domain?
CBM 1.96 game.

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Sp or mp? I have never had an issue with 4 in MP but likely others have. My feeling is that by the time you are in danger of Dom kill you'll also be in dire straights because you'll be defending your cap from invasion.
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Yea I myself never found a problem with low dominion in MP game as well. Although I faced Hinnom in a recent one and that was a problem. But as long as you play it smart it should be ok(you need to build at least 4-9 temples though but with good scales you'll have loads of money:) ).Also depends on the nation you are playing with.

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Depends on your priests and strategy, I`d say. And age. If you have H2-H3 inquisitors - you can fight off domkill with some effort. If you have only H1 priests and neither inquisitors nor bloodsacrifice - expect someone to wash you off the map in the late game.

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It's not luck based decent scales right? To state the obvious, luck that doesn't spread is entirely worthless. If it's Order based, and you have strong priests to preach up dom in your best provinces, it might be okay. In general though, good scales and low dom to spread it don't work together.

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Also, eliminate the blood sac nations first. With dom4 you can be defeated by bad nation placement. (A strong enemy between you and a blood nation). Late game blood sac nations will kill you. No butts, no iffs, no preaching, or any kind of juggernaught spam will save you.

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I'm gonna ask a related question, Can a blood nation actually kill you that quickly as you said late game even if you manage to build 14 temples = making your dominion str 7 ? say that you are a nation with 200 gold temples.

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Yeah, I decide to try something different and take a domain 6.

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By building temples you only upgrade your "holy" resource, not actual dominion str.

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Are you sure coz It shows an actual dominion str increase when you click on temples.I'm pretty sure you increase conversion rates. (for your temples and for your god and for your prohpet as well. Just tested it coz I wasnt sure if your god was affected by it.)

Also you can get more maximum dominion this way so you can get like up to 7 candles in your capital if you start with dominion 4 and build 14 temples which means dominion str of 7.

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Shardphoenix is right. The dom strength is not increased. This is probably a bug because as you state, it looks like it increases on the temple screen.

It has been tested though. Both by me and by others. No increase.

It does give a little protection though because the difficulty of removing a candle from a province is based on how many candles there are in the province. A province with 10 candles is rock hard no mater what your starting dom might be.

Personally I *have* seen someone do well with a dom 4 pretender only once. He was playing Caelum though and caelum gets flying, stealthy H2 preachers for only 90g though. H2's can preach up to dom 5 if standing on a temple. This includes enemy temples.

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ok what do you mean by dominion strength? is it the number of candles? Im not sure but every single time i've played and every test I did on it chance was shown with number of candles and at the temple screen.

How did you test it? I might be testing it the wrong way.

My tests: create a single player game 1human vs 1 human. Pick dom 4. indies at 0 start with 9 provinces. 300x gold multiplier. Then you place 4 priests at 4 of your starting provinces. Then fast forward 10-15 turns. Max dominion str=4 no more candles seen in a province than 4. Then, build 4 temples. On the next turn some of your provinces start having 5 candles change is also visible at the temple convesion screen. test futhermore. place 5 priests at the remaining 5 provinces of yours(conquer 1 empty one from indies). fast forward 10-5 turns. No province has more than 5 candles. If you build 5 temples change is visible as some provinces start having 6 candles and there is increase with the temple conversion rates. Everything tested is with the vanilla game.

P.s after some more time provinces got more and more candles on them like 7-8.

On the temple screen though the ammouns of conversion was the same as the other human nation with dominion 6 and no temples.

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Also another thing then can you use stone idols at your borders to keep enemy dominion from spreding furthermore( every single time it increases in at the border provinces and (commanders)stone idols decrease it back down.)

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By dominon strength I mean the chance that a temple check will generate a new candle + the chance that a candle will dispel an enemy candle. And it is easily checkable. (reasonably)

Just start a game with EA/LA mictlan. No AI's. Dom 1. Blood sac in a temple with no candles near so its easy to count 20 times. Build another 20 temples. Blood sac again 20 times. See if there is a difference in the amount of candles you generates. The result should be statistically significant and show that you will barely get any candles ever. No mater how many temples you build.

Each blood sac is worth 6 temple checks if you use a H3 preacher.

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I see thx.