Great Boar of Carnutes autosummoning
 

So I tried summoning a couple of these in a multiplayer game and after 2-3 turns of sitting around they've failed to summon any of their lesser boars while sitting in 8 domain. Am I missing something- do they need to be in a forest?

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I don't think they need to be in a forest, but they don't summon a boar every turn.

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Rick L is right, they don't summon every turn. With the wiki down it is a bit hard to check, but probably something like domsum10. So expect one boar for every 10 points of dom each turn. (could be more could be less, it is random rolls each time). You are just unlucky it seems.

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Bummer, and I had dreams of a hoard of them sending their boars trampling over waves of maeneds... well at least they'll try and keep bad luck out of my cap.

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You just need to start summoning them in year one. Then it works.

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I also gave it a try in a multi player, with 7 of those.

It has a poor summon, whatever the type of prov or power of dom.
i think one spawn every 2 or 3 turns.

they can also be useful to defend from indis and maybe even take back lands in later stage of the game if you keep them roaming in your lands with their summons.
I don't think you can get enough spawns to plan any serious strat with them.

Globally i don't think it's worth the 6gems.

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I've come to that conclusion as well... at least I only summoned two before figuring that out.

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I tried looking in the db, but the summoning effect is not listed there.

Well, they have other uses.

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7 Gems for an un-routable, sacred trampler with relatively high MR, who also has commander status.

Compare to behemoths (who are pretty good and sometimes worth it, given the right situation) at 6 gems and its not a terrible deal. True, boars are size 5 rather than 6 so a little less efficient at trampling.

But the boars have the added benefit of fortune teller and a dom summon that, while not that great, still gives you pretty good sacred troops that you would otherwise have to pay about 1 gem apiece for. So you can summon them early, not feel bad about them sitting around, and break them out when the situation calls for it.

And since boar warriors are now recruit everywhere you might even have a bless that works well with them. An E9NX bless is actually pretty great for everyone. Boar warriors, druid radiers, and the boars all love the reinvig, extra protection, and splash of regen.

Put a bracer of protection and an anti magic amulet (or elemental ring depending on what you're facing) on the boars and watch them go to town. They're like miniature versions of the great white bull.

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Boars do not get the extra protection. That is for armor only.

And sacred status is a bit tricky to leverage without h3 priests.

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If you give them the bracer of protection then they do have armor, so the earth bless will give you protection (and you can use legions of steel on them, but good luck getting the caster to target you). And druids can cast divine blessing with a crystal shield, which you want anyway to cast strength of boars for your javelins. So I think the bless can still be viable for them.

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The bracers give you the armor. Double them up if you need more protection and aren't as concerned about MR or elemental resistances.

It very easy to get an H3 priest. Multiple ways.

Crystal shield
Communion Master with 2 slaves
Communion slave with master casting PoTS
PoTS on a single druid

Also, even if the E bless wasn't that great for the boars it works pretty well for the other things your fielding. E bless is great for all of your sacred mages, and it's probably the best bless for the boar warriors to leverage. And even if you don't give the boars a pair of bracers, the reinvig is still very worthwhile. They have a pretty decent berserk protection as is, but trampling brings fatigue up pretty quickly without the E-bless.

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I still wonder if it is worth to 5 additional e gems to buff them up.

And the E bless helps, but not much, trample gives fatigue for each square trampled, so even at e9 you stay neutral for 2 attacks each turn. (And you get haste by the national nature spell).

Perhaps better is the owl quill, you get 0 enc that way. (But you still get some fatigue from trampling, if berserked). But you lack the paths for that. The only reliable source of that is either the pretender or conj 8.

If only you had the national mages to cast the earth armor buffs on them. (Then you would be able to get 25 protection with the berzerk, no need for bracers then).

Personally, I would go for something like e4n4, or no bless at all, scales are probably better.

(All using CBM)

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The extra protection of the bracers actually goes a pretty long way to making them more survivable. Difference between 15 and 21 body protection. They actually die pretty fast without it.

I also definitively wouldn't get the high bless just for the boars. They'd never be worth it. But once you add in the recruit everywhere druids, and recruit everywhere Boar warriors of CBM it starts to be worth it. And EN is really the only bless that works well for all three of them.

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Like I said, it looks to me that the bless is overkill. They can expand without going e9 (from e4 -> e9 is a lot of points). And the additional points can be used to get better scales (better scales -> more gold -> more forts -> more mages). If you want more protection, your druids are superb earth casters.

It is a tradeoff, in the late game I think I'd rather have the additional mages, and not the +2 reinvig on my mages.

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I agree a scales build is still probably an optimal path to take. I'm just arguing that a bless is not a completely crazy way to go given what you can deploy with it.

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Ow we are all in general agreement here, gong from e4 -> e9 is just an implementation detail ;).