Why Planet refuses to build?
 

Does anyone know the reasons a planet will not build. I'm playing with a guy who swears the game is 'screwing him'. The reasons I know are lack of resources, lack of population, planet riots, lack of cargo space. Are there any others? The planet in question is his home planet that was bombed and had all mineral facilities destroyed and he is trying to build a weapons platform. But he has resources from other planets. Apparently the item gets added to the build queue but next turn it is not there.

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I can't imagine why the WP would not be build except for a lack of resources or a lack of cargo. I never heard of such a bug nor did I encounter it. Can you provide a savegame so we can have a look into it?

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Additionally:
Perhaps the platform is going into an orbital base (hence no lack-of-space message), or being picked up by a repeat-orders transport before he can see it?

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I can't see any reason either. The guy I'm playing won't give his pw so I can look at it. Personally I think he is just missing something. (And using the old 'the computer is screwing' me excuse for losing.)

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:
I can't imagine why the WP would not be build except for a lack of resources or a lack of cargo. I never heard of such a bug nor did I encounter it. Can you provide a savegame so we can have a look into it?<hr></blockquote>

Re: Why Planet refuses to build?
 

Is his homeworld blockaded? That drastically reduces the available resources.

Another possibility is that his ship maintenance is using all the resources before the WP can be be built, but in that case, he should be getting a log entry about it.

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If it's not rioting, and there are enough resourses available, I can think of only two things:

1- the weapon platform is expensive enough that is takes a while to finish at the planet's current wounded state
2- he doesn't have any population left

Yes, you CAN have #2 without loosing the colony completely. Ussually it takes an event or intel project to do it.

Phoenix-D

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It is also possible to lose your population before you lose your Last facility from orbital bombardment, though rare, IIRC.
In that case the "time to completion" should be "never"

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there is also a line in the facility or settings file that states '# of pop required per facility.' I'm not sure what this does, but maybe he has too few people to run the facility.

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what is your ship and unit number set at in the beginning of the game? if you are over the wp won't be built until your current number is reduced, I believe wp's are counted as units.

just some ideas mac

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by DavidG:
Does anyone know the reasons a planet will not build. I'm playing with a guy who swears the game is 'screwing him'. The reasons I know are lack of resources, lack of population, planet riots, lack of cargo space. Are there any others? The planet in question is his home planet that was bombed and had all mineral facilities destroyed and he is trying to build a weapons platform. But he has resources from other planets. Apparently the item gets added to the build queue but next turn it is not there.<hr></blockquote>If he is not a Natural Merchant, did he lose his Space Port?

Re: Why Planet refuses to build?
 

in older Versions of se4, it was possible to use modded data files to enter illegal designs into your queue. depending on the type of design, and what was wrong with it, sometimes they would not be recognized by the game host and deleted from the queue when the turn is processed.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> there is also a line in the facility or settings file that states '# of pop required per facility.' <hr></blockquote>That feature is known to not be implemented yet. <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> if you are over the wp won't be built until your current number is reduced, I believe wp's are counted as units. <hr></blockquote>That limit is on units in space, which WPs never are. It's possible to build mines and satellites and not be able to launch them until you destroy some of the older ones.

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cap, are you sure, i know thats what it says in the manual, but i've had it where once limit for units was reached it wouldn't let me build any wp's. as soon as I destroyed some mines or sats, I was able to build, the wp's just stayed in the build que but they wouldn't build,

at least that was the way it was in earlier Versions 1.35 etc. really haven't paid it much attenion with 1.49, I just figured it was the same as before. have to ck it out tks

just some ideas mac

[ 08 January 2002: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

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Well there are definately no limits on units reached as it is very early in the gaame. The planet is blockaded though. Does this reduce the available resources below what is shown in the eempire status window? Or is it simply not possible to build on a blockaded planet which is what I suspect.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Krakenup:
If he is not a Natural Merchant, did he lose his Space Port?<hr></blockquote>

Mmmm not sure about this. But is a Space port required? I know you can build WP's in a new system that does not yet have a space port.

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Space ports are only require to get resources in, not to build.

Phoenix-D

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> cap, are you sure <hr></blockquote>Well, to be honest, not absolutely. I'm just repeating things I remember from older threads on these Boards. I've never run into either the unit or ship limit in any game I've played. <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> The planet is blockaded though. Does this reduce the available resources below what is shown in the eempire status window?

But is a Space port required? <hr></blockquote>If an empire's only homeworld is blockaded, the resource production drops to the minimum of 500 per turn of each resource. I think losing the spaceport would do the same thing. It might also drop the available storage capacity to the starting level of 50000, but I'm not sure about that. But if it's not building the WP due to insufficient resources, he should still be getting some log message about it.

[ 09 January 2002: Message edited by: capnq ]</p>

Re: Why Planet refuses to build?
 

Blockaded planets are able to construct everything as normal. They only lose the resources that they produce. Well, they also grow unhappy, but that takes a bit of time, and isn't really the point here.

[ 09 January 2002: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]</p>

Re: Why Planet refuses to build?
 

just a thought, does your wp that you want to build show in the build que for that planet? If it does, what message does it say in regards to builds on you planet screen? never, or does it give time frame and if so does the time frame change each turn? Have you tried re-designing the wp? possible problem with current wp build for some reason. Try re-designing it and then try and build the new one, see what happens

just some ideas mac

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i have only rarely encountered this (mostly when switching mods and the component #'s don't match) but you can get things (ship sizes, designs) that you have designed but haven't researched. You cannot build these designs (as noted by a 'insufficient technology' in grey) but they can be put in your build queue IIRC. I'm not sure if this is the problem though, it would have to be pretty screwy for this to be it.

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Also check that the planet's construction queue isn't on Hold.

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Well since the guy quit the game and the host gave me the pw I was able to mess around a bit and I'm convinced it was simply lack of resources. Wether or not it game him a message I'm not sure. Thanks for all the feedback!

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>i have only rarely encountered this (mostly when switching mods and the component #'s don't match) but you can get things (ship sizes, designs) that you have designed but haven't researched. You cannot build these designs (as noted by a 'insufficient technology' in grey) but they can be put in your build queue IIRC. I'm not sure if this is the problem though, it would have to be pretty screwy for this to be it. <hr></blockquote>

If you save your empire during play for use in later games, then you can also save all of your ship designs. If you then start a new game with the saved empire, all of your designs will be pre-loaded. You won't have the tech to make most of them, so they will be greyed out and have the insufficient technology message. Also, none of the greyed-out ships can possibly be put in your build queues. The game simply doesn't allow it to be done.

[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]</p>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by DavidG:
Well since the guy quit the game and the host gave me the pw I was able to mess around a bit and I'm convinced it was simply lack of resources. Wether or not it game him a message I'm not sure. Thanks for all the feedback!<hr></blockquote>

The old "If I loose this must be a bug" reaction. ;-)