MoI - Memories of Ice, EA non newb game - WL Ctis wins
 

"Victory is an illusion. In all things." - Mhybe, Memories of Ice

But boy is victory real in the upcoming Memories of Ice game.
This is the sequel to the Deadhouse Gates & Gardens of the Moon games and will share many settings w/ it.
Main difference is the era, EA and that we will only use CBM mode.



Victory condition: 50-60% of # players capital VPs. Each capital is considered to be one VP. Capitals will be marked.
Nations: All EA nations are allowed.
Mods: CBM 1.92. I'm considering to increase EDM summons costs and would hear your thoughts on this.
Map: According to players number/wish/vote.
Hosting Pace: First 15 turns every 24h, turns 15-30 48h, turn 30-45 72h, turn 45-60 96h, turn > 61 120h.
Hosting is planned for busy ppl! This means that extensions would be given when needed. If you're looking for a blitz type game or get bored when things get slow then this is probably not the game for you. Make no mistake though, I've hosted a number of such games and they all end up to have a nice pace and all draw to conclusion.
Disallowed exploits: copying Bogus' orders and overfilling enemy lab to prevent his own forge.
Killing own mages under Ankh or LaD to gain freebe mages and troops.
It's ok in a battle but it's not ok to set it up on purpose (whoever likes to do it knows what I'm talking about). Both are nerfed in CBM 1.84 so the exploit is not possible anymore.
Probing armies with scouts/commanders must be done in such a way so as not to block movement.
Hosted on llamaserver.
Diplomacy allowed.
Warning: As a lesson from GotM I would like to raise your attention to the fact that diplomacy is allowed. In GotM some of the players didn't enjoy that aspect all that much and may have seen it as a chore or whatnot. As a general rule, in diplo. games you should be ready and willing to engage in diplomacy (duh ). I mean you can opt not to but then don't be surprised if you're left w/o allies or that your political ends or views are not met/popular.
That said, NAP's are not considered binding
Warning: This game is planned for players that will stick to the end. So please pay attention, don't go AI, don't chain stale. If you want out, please take the trouble to find yourself a sub. Your fellow players would appreciate that.
Graphs: on
HoF: 15
Indies: 9
Map: Stonehaven?
# of players: 8
Research: Normal
Magic sites: Normal

road-map:
recruit: now. At this point the game is open for both sign-up and discussion. I est. this will take a week or two.
Prepare pretenders: After all players sign-up we shall wait a week for pretender creation.
Game on: we start the game.

Players:
1. Catquiet, Lanka
2. Executor, Pangaea
3. WraithLord, Ctis
4. Amhazair, Mictlan
5 ghoul31, Yomi
6 Dogged57, Niefelheim
7 CUnknown, Ulm
8 dojango, Abyssia

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My plan for the EDM summons is to keep costs pretty much the same but increase path requirements, so getting them is more special. If it's helpful I can go through them this weekend and let you know my plans.

Example thinking of the top of my head:
Zmey: F4 -> F6
Grendelkin: W3E3 -> W5E5

I think that should fix their ubiquity and make them more special again. Comments welcome!

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Wow. This sounds like a great idea. Thank you!

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Yomi

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Heh, what no Agartha for me? Well I guess it wouldn't be fair really, though one could use a few additional layers of protections against your diplomatic skills. ;)

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We have five players already. A few more and we're a go.

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I don't want to wait too long for more players. I suggest to close the game next week and go with how many players who've joined by then.

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Anybody mind if I take the reins of Niefelheim?

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Excuse me for being blunt. I'm obliged to ask, since this is a non newb game, what is your MP game experience. Did you play more than, say, ten games?

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No offense taken. I've completed 12 MP games, 2 organized on this forum. I've never won a game, but I was in the running a few times. Is that sufficient?

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Definetly. Welcome aboard :)

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Excellent. When are we planning on getting started?

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1. Next Monday, close recruitment.
2. finalize settings (map mostly)
3. prepare pretenders, create game

I est. somewhere near next weekend we'll start the game.

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More time to fiddle with the pretender is always a good thing.

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ok. Last day to join.
I'm waiting for Amhazair to confirm his participation.
We'll have either 5 or 6 players.

Any suitable maps come to mind guys?

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WL, have you played on Five Lands yet? Another balanced map from vfb but it looks nicer than Sixlands and also, IMO, is designed so that the borders aren't quite as clear cut as on Sixlands (if only because each region isn't color-coded).

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Thanks for the tip. No I haven't. Where is it posted so I could try it?

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It's uploaded to the llamaserver but I think vfb posted the map on Dom3mods as well? Worst case, I could upload it here if you need it.

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NP I'll do some searching for it.

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found it

If we end up five then it has my vote :)

Valerius, want to join?

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Thanks, I'm tempted due to the size of the game and relaxed hosting schedule, but I've been playing mostly non-diplo games and find I don't really have the patience for proper diplo anymore (which is quite unfortunate since that was pretty much my main Dominions skill ;)).

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Yeah, count me in I guess. Would have prefered a slightly bigger game (even though the idea was a not-too-big-one to complement the other game I'm currently playing) but can't allways have everything.

I'll try out Mictlan, as I said before. About time I tried out a real bless strat after almost 6? years of playing dominions. :)

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Hey, if the rest of the players don't mind I have no problem to make it no diplo game. It would be the first time I'll do a no diplo + known assignments. Could be fun.

Fellow players, what say you?

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I... think I'd kinda like that, to balance my other game with diplomacy active. But don't feel to strongly about it either way, and since it wasn't anounced from the start if someone objects to it that should probably carry more weight than someone agreeing.

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agree. one no should suffice to drop the no diplo suggestion.

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Is this game still open?

I'll play! I haven't played in -years- so I'm probably a lot rusty, but I used to be halfway decent, I think. The slow hosting schedule will probably help me get back into it. I haven't decided on a faction yet.

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I'm in if it's no diplo.. If you'll have me.
ssj

If I made the cut I'll try sauro.

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CUnknown, still open. Welcome aboard.
Please choose a faction.

sansanjuan, As Amhazair said, since no diplo wasn't in the original charter it's enough that one player objects to it for it to drop. So far all I heard is yes so looks like it may be ok. I'd like to hear from most if not all of the players before making the change "official".

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I'll take Ulm.

Does no diplo mean you can't trade items, or talk in any way at all?

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The problems with known nations and no diplo are that you'll have to make the decision whether to allow talking about the game in thread (which could affect the game, depending on what information people share), and that you'll have to trust people not to talk to one another.

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Either way is fine with me.

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No worries guys if you decide to stick with plan "a". I realize no diplo can monkey up a build since you are self sufficient.
ssj

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hey, if it's not too late, I'd like in on this. Abyssia, please.

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ok. I think I'll drop the no diplo. Just b/c it may cause too much hassle that late down the road. let's stick to the original road map and start the game sooner rather than later.

dojango, welcome aboard. you will be our eighth and final player.

Let's hear it for your fav. 8 player map. I suggest Stonehaven.

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shall we do 4 or 5VPs?

Let's take a day or two to decide. If I don't hear otherwise we'll go w/ map Stonehaven and 5 VPs.

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That's a beautiful map, didn't know it yet. I approve.

(I knew of the slightly larger Shadowshore with a similar aestethic (same mapmaker) which could be an alternative if we want a slighly roomier game, (120 land + 13 water vs. 108/16) but as I said, I definitely approve with your proposal too.)

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How many VPs would we need to win?

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Seems I have to write at least 3 characters of my own and can't just quote the relevant post and leave it at that. So just imagine me writing something useful to go with the quote.

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LoL, Amhazair you're a true master to have said so much with so little ;) :)

So far only heard back from Amhazair. He approves of the map. Unless I hear different by end of the day we will finalize the game settings - map Stonehaven + 5 VPs.

This means that tomorrow I can create the game on the server and then we can start uploading pretenders.

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Can you post a link to the map?

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Renaming is allowed?

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Yes.

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Guys when creating your pretenders please use the modified version of CBM 1.92 that fixes the recruit-able Wild Ettin bug.

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Game started and accepting pretenders.

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4/8 sent pretenders. 4 more to go :)

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Pfffft... I'm quite out of my depth here. I have something in mind I'm pretty confident is at least a decent build for Mictlan, but... Where are my scales? Where is my guaranteed absolute magic diversity? How do I play this out? (Once "Take jaguar, smash face" stops working.)

Will probably submit later tonight, after a bit more fiddling.

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Pretender submitted. Two to go.

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You should name your prophet "Jaguar SmashFace."

:D

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Not a horrible idea, but I allways choose pretender names that would be appropriate 'in character' for the nation/pretender type, so I'm afraid Jaguar SmashFace it won't be. Unless I take the Cyclops maybe... :)

Nop, his name will be (is?) Acolnahuacatl. His titles remain to be discovered/decided.