Run over inf?
 

Okey, there is probably a good reason why its not possible, but i got thinking and i just want to know for sure that it isent.

Is it possible to add the ability of tracked AFVs to run infantry down with their tracks? This is a standard drill in the IDF, and i imagine in other forces in the world.

Could it be done in the same way as melee works?

if not than okey, just wondering:)

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Infantry will retreat in "tank panic" from failed assaults. That is the nearest to what you are describing, in the game.

Andy

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yes ofcourse i know that. i was wondering if it was possible to add this feature. guess not. its not so hugelt crtical or anything.

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In the game, you can run an infinite number of vehicles through a walking section of your own infantry on a road or other hex, or a vehicle for that matter. The moving vehicles will only suffer a -1 movement penalty each and there will be no traffic accidents whatsoever, whether involving pedestrians or vehicles.

Own vehicle mishaps are limited to e.g fording streams, crossing rough terrain etc.

In the SP universe there is no need for traffic lights, cops, road signs or roundabouts :)!

Why should it be any different just because the driven-through element is not of your own nationality?.

Andy

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I bealive in SPWaW running over infrantry causing casulities is possible.

But not in either of the camo games,it's a grisly thing mashing men under your treads,if such a thing is possible, doubt anyone would sit still and let that happen though, more than likely they would move aside and assualt the vehicle as already modeled in both games

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first of all i accept what you say andy. but gila...
Its not a matter of if they sit still or not. a tank is a big thing that moves very quickly for its size and weight. sure sometimes you will manage to move aside or duck between the tracks. sometimes not. the drill in which you run over infantry includes such a violent use of the supressive firepower of the tank that the enemy in question is likely curling in a ball on the floor, not dashing for safety like a 100m runner in the olympics. the infantry and bazooka drills both use the entire weaponry of the tank, including the main gun, coaxial, TC machinegun, WP launchers, and finally grenades at close range.

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You said you were an IDF tank commander,and as one so intitled of such an expensive machine go recklessly in a attempt to run down some cowering grunts?
What if they have some friendlies near by? i would think in real life,nothing is 100% sure,just the near presence of enemy units would be a major influence in a close assualt.

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Notice in the game,supressed infty in the same hex with an Tank,will suffer higher casualties surrender or just disperse;)

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The infantry and bazooka drills which include the run-over are both used only at infantry/RPG team that is discovered very close to the tank. the infantry drill is actually called "Infantry in our positions drill" implying infantry at near point blank range. The "Bazooka drill" is meant for RPG/light AT teams in the 50-100 meters range. Naturally you do not see infantry at 400m and dash towards them to run them over. this would be silly, as you would be much better off firing at them from a good position untill they are dead. However, if you suddenly find yourself with infantry meters away, you certinly will try to run them over, it is not reckless it is actually very sensible.

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I'm not going debate IDF doctrine,it is what it is.
I highly doubt other NATO forces use the same.
An M1 costs how much,a few million?
I would guess your *** would be in a sling if you lost one though:)

A few years ago Greek infantry did have a drill that you had to be run over by a tank (between the tracks of course, not pancaked by them), so a disciplined foe should be able to avoid a charging tank. Now if said tank decides to stop right on top of you and do a pivot turn 360 degrees is a different matter altogether...

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I know for certian,Iraqi's surrendered in huge numbers in 1991 annd 2003, when faced against an M1 and it's accompaing forces,no need to grind them into hamburger;)

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But i'm totally off topic sorry:)

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Gila I would guess its a last ditch attempt to stop them as infantry that close are dangerous. In an ideal world you never let them get that close but just in case they do you drill to throw everything at them including running them over. Moving makes far more sense if it happens to make boarding more difficult & if you miss them it will keep them occupied & scare the heck out of em. As to diving under the tank hope the grounds flat or theres a depression.

As to it in game as a wish why the tank already fires everything at them & as I think Mobhack said they have to do a tank check. It should be a crew decision anyway out of the hands of the player as the AI would have to be able to do it. But at this scale what diffrence would it make you might occasionally run over a few men, but on the flip side from what ginger tanker said at the risk of exposing a crew member to small arms fire.

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As gingertanker said it is better to fire at a distance and kill the threat,,if you got in such a jam you are forced to run over grunts, then shame on you.
But anyway it's just a game,not the geneva rules on humanitity and surrendering, i really could care less if making hamburger of routed grunts were implemented:)

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everything imp said is correct. also Imp we have a infantry boarding drill as well. its called disco drill. bascially place a hand grenade on the turret, close hatch, rotate 360 while shooting WP, than the other tanks in your platoon machinegun the hell out of you.

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The game has to be somewhat balanced for all,even if it does not reflect all the uber tactics of your beloved nation.

You are pushing hard only for the IDF policy,what about the rest of the world?

Should not all other nations get the same consideration on thier policies as well, if the IDF gets it's way?

A big mess and mulpitle complaints in store IMO, if that were the case.:shock:

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there is no need for sarcasem or bold letter:). I am not pushing for anything, the moment Andy implied its not going to happen i accepted it and thanked him for his reply, as you can see. At which point you made two arguments, one of which is absurd in my honest opinion(that running people over is grisly. sir i dont know how many gunshot wounds you have seen, but they arnt exactly humane or kind on the eyes. let alone arty shrapnel and thermo-baric weapons). The second argument you made was that it is probably not possible. From that point on i was arguing about the possibility and feasibility of it in real life, not in the game. Not one word have i said about the game since. The fact is I know personally several people who actually ran over infantry in combat, so your opinions, based on what ever they are based, dont match reality as i know it. As far as you "subtle" hints that i want to make this possible out of some bizzar in game patriotisem, well, i can just laugh. Because A) i hardly play as israel in the game. B) even if i do, i dont really give a damn, its just a game.

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Running over someone bent on killing you in a most unpleasant way is part of war and has been since tanks took to the battlefield it's just rarely discussed.

The short answer has already been given by Andy. The scale of the game does not lend itself to one tank targeting one infantryman but it does bring forth a couple ideas that might benefit the game that I will discuss with Andy.

That said, this has been dragged out in ways it shouldn't have so I'm ending it here

Don