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OOB 6.0 Norway CV90
CV90 combat vehicle stats seem to lack consistency.
Norwegian CV9030N was the same level as Swedish Strf9040A (not counting gun and turret differences). Later it was upgraded to CV9030FN1, to be equipped equally to the Finnish variant CV9030S. "In September 2003, Land Systems Hagglunds received a contract from the Norwegian Army to upgrade 17 CV9030N vehicles to CV9030S configuration. The upgraded vehicles, called CV9030NF1, have an additional mine protection kit, new air-cooling system and rear view camera." http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cv90/ It looks to me that the CV9030N was assumed to be Mk II whereas it in reality was Mk I and the subsequent upgrade to be made (incorrectly) to Mk III level. Therefore the level changes should be pushed back slightly to match other European countries' equipment. The good news: all the other countries (Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland) stand in line. obat 29 - Norway Modify Unit 020 CV9030 Rename to: CV9030N Steel armour: 10/6/4/10/8/4/2 HEAT armour: 10/10/4/10/8/4/2 Stabiliser: 1 Modify Unit 397 CV9030(+) Rename to: CV9030FN1 Steel armour: 12/6/4/12/8/4/2 HEAT armour: 12/10/4/12/8/4/2 |
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CV90 is popular today... this is the comment I have received on it today.
On the list to investigate. NOTE: If anyone has reliable data on main gun armament ammo loads for the various guns it carries in the various armies that use it this would help correct some ammo inconsistencies that have been previously noted FURTHER: Here's what I have so far but it's not been confirmed 30mm variant - 400 30mm shells 40mm variant - 232 40mm shells Best guess for the 35mm would be 315 or thereabouts Don |
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More information about NOR = Mk I, SWE, FIN = Mk II, NL = Mk III:
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product264.html It also boldly states that the upgraded version CV9030NF1 uses the Eryx missile launcher but I couldn't find any other reference or pics to confirm that so I doubt that piece of information.. Additionally I have to take back on "being in line." CV9035 is the Mk III and the Strf 9040C just Swedish upgraded version. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...updated-01653/ "The CV90-35 MkIII is a new-generation CV90 IFV, with improved firepower, protection, mobility and ergonomics plus an advanced electronics architecture." "The Mk III also has a new armor package with increased protection against top-attack weapons and mines, and is fitted with Hagglunds’ defensive aids suite (DAS) with linked laser warner and smoke grenades. The main armament is also linked with the DAS to engage potential threats with effective counterfire." I think CV9035s should be what CV9030(+)s are now plus a bit (survivability) more. Steel: 14/10/4/2/14/10/4 HEAT: 18/18/4/18/14/4/2 Survivability: 6 Completely another issue to tackle is the relative firepower of the weapons. 30 mm < 35 mm < 40 mm in general, am I correct? Code:
weapon accuracy hekill appen sabotpenI find the 35mm Bushmaster out of the line there with accuracy, appen and sabotpen. |
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Well this is going to be a pita, the Dutch use the BUSHMASTER III
35mm/50mm apparently with only minor adjustments that 35mm will fire 50mm rounds. As a side note the Swedes are putting the EVO Armor package on the STRV 122 and CV-90, will post up on that with the last of the news that's late (1 June was wishful thinking on that! :rolleyes:). Will see what I can find on ammo. http://www.defensie.nl/english/army/...bat_vehicle_90 2. In discussing the Swedish version apparently as a part of it's armament it also carries a 71mm mortar. Export variants also were shipped with 30mm Bushmasters, so at least in the case of the Dutch they upgraded theirs at some point according to their MOD site. http://www.military-today.com/apc/cv_90.htm 3. But the best is saved for last, and it's never failed me. Everything you wanted to know about the CV-90, variants, dates and who has them, sorry no ammo numbers though because their are too many variants carry different weapons from straight up 30mm, 40mm, 30mm/40mm DPG and 35mm/50mm DPG. This backs up dmnts post. I see units being adding capable or, better, called upon to use the 40mm and 50mm capabilities of the DPG's. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cv90/ This also illustrates the need to use multiple refs when submitting or talking about equipment in a specific manner, just take the Dutch issue at hand above as 1-3. 4. Alright Don I told a fib, this will help with the ammo issue, a little anyway. First the main site for the "Scan" guys out here and the rest as follows. The home site specializes in news affecting Norway, Sweden and Denmark. The rest show full specs, though you have watch a video or two along the way. http://www.haaland.info/armour/ http://www.haaland.info/armour/index...fv/48-cv-9030n http://www.haaland.info/armour/index...hifv/73-cv9040 http://www.haaland.info/armour/index...v/116-cv9035dk Some notes included suggust the NL & DK MK III versions carry third gen TI/GSR sites and that's best systems out there right now. We just put them on the BRADLEYS and M1A2 SEP V2 just recently ourselves as already posted. I'll see what I can find from BAE I would think they would at least provide spec ammo numbers, but not today if someone else wants to post it themselves, FEEL FREE. Regards, Pat |
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No luck with BAE Land Systems, general commercial stuff. ATK was only a little better as it does tell the types of ammo the BUSHMASTERS can handle, especially useful with the dual purpose ones already discussed. Below is that info from ATK, just click on the one you want to see.
http://www.atk.com/capabilities_defe...gs_default.asp Well that was the easy way, so much for that!?! Regards, Pat |
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I will note this down and deal with it after the summer. Many times guns get the ratings they get for very good reasons very few of which I bother to Catalog, if I spent the time doing that so I could answer questions like this we'd be still be working on version 2 and I'd be spending hours looking through notes.
It's all very well to say you think the 35mm is out of line base on the specs for the 30mm and 40mm but there is more to accuracy, appen and sabotpen than just "it's between 30mm and 40mm " Pat, thanks for the links but in the time it took to look up the links, check the info, copy the links to the post then post it to the forum you could have simply given me the frigging info. WHY do people have to make simple things hard ??? I have dial up. I DO NOT watch videos. I have copied the links and will deal with this in a couple of months Don |
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http://www.soldf.com/strf9040.html
"Totalt kan man medföra 232 st. 40 mm. projektiler." "In total, they can carry 232 pc. 40 mm. projectiles." No idea about distribution between HE / Sabot though. It also handles some stuff about the mortar etc. "Strf 9040 är ständigt under utveckling, bland annat genomförs det en del studier med vagnen som vapenplattform för ytterligare vapensystem och tillbehör, några av dessa är: * En vagn som förutom automatkanonen är beväpnad med Robot 56 Bill monterad bredvid skyttplats utanpå tornet. En demonstrator har tillverkats och skjutningar har genomförts under 2001. I nuläget saknas dock ekonomiska medel för serietillverkning. * En 9040 med en granatspruta eller Tksp monterad på torntaket. Testskjutningar skall ha genomförts under 2002-2003. * En lätt minvält monterad på Strf 9040." "Strf 9040 is constantly under development, for example there is research for using the vehicle as a weapons platform for various weapon systems and additions, for which some are: * A vehicle without autocannon to be equipped with Robot 56 Bill mounted to a shooting location outside of the turret. A prototype has been manufacturer and shootings performed in 2001. Currently there's no economical means to enter mass production. * A 9040 with a mortar or heavy machine gun mounted in turret. Test firing should be done in 2002-2003. * A light mine roller mounted on a Strf 9040." |
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Well that confirms my info on the 40mm loads, if anyone can confirm the info on the 35mm and 30mm guns that would be helpful along with the guns ROF. So far I have.....
40mm 300 RPM 35mm 150 to 200 rounds per minute 30mm up to 250-rounds per minute .......barrel lengths would also be helpful in checking what we have in the game now..... Don |
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http://web.archive.org/web/200710101....fi/pdf/cv.pdf 30mm Bushmaster II Mk44 Rate of Fire 200-400 rds/minute Ready rounds 2 x 80 rds Stowed rounds "Typical 240 rounds" |
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Finnish reservists talks: http://www.aamukampa.net/forum/viewt...=4070&start=30
The Finnish standard is 80+80 and 240 rounds stowed. |
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There seems to be a wide range of reported ROF. That affects how much ammo we issue. What I have so far for the Bushmaster II 30mm cannon is "up to 250-rounds per minute" The problem is there is no standard for reporting things like this. The gun may fire 200-400 RPM But typically it *may* fire on average 250 RPM. It's hard to know what is "more correct" in game terms
Don |
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Don,
Sorry to be terse, but I have to hit the shower ASAP for work. This website as already provided will give you the ROF straight from the maker (ATK) of the BUSHMASTERs. Click on the weapon you wish to see, ROF at bottom. http://www.atk.com/capabilities_defe...gs_default.asp Regards, Pat |
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Pat, believe me, I always appreciate brevity when it gets me the info I need without turning into an easter egg hunt
However..... I am looking at the 40mm Bushmaster IV Automatic Cannon specs from that link and I see info on everything BUT the ROF and I looked right to the bottom 35mm/50mm Bushmaster® III Automatic Cannon ------ YEP-- ROF 200 rounds per minute 30mm/40mm Mk44 Bushmaster® Automatic Cannon ---------YEP-- -- Rate of Fire 200 rounds per minute 25mm M242 Bushmaster® Automatic Cannon ---------YEP-- -- Rate of Fire 200 rounds per minute ( The repetitious "Rate of Fire 200 rounds per minute" is a tad suspicious though but if it's accurate it will some ammo issues once I have all the info on actual ammo carried ready and stowed Don |
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I don't think Bushmaster IV is used in any of the CV90 series. The Swedish 40mm AC in 9040 is a Bofors one. 240 rounds per minute claimed by Wikipedia, but... it's Wikipedia. This site claims 320 http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...ofors&offset=0 but judging the site by the way it wears it's hair it's not more reliable than wikipedia. |
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Don,
The CV 90 Series doesn't use the AKT BUSHMASTER IV, from what I can tell and please I've barely scratched the surface of the "BM IV", is that it was developed for the EFV and currently I don't believe carried on any other platform at this time. That aside, regarding the CV 90 Series this is the 40mm we're looking for... "MK I" Series: CV 9040 Sweden ES 1993 PW BOFORS 40mm L/70 Cannon ROF 330Rds. BOFORS now owned by BAE. L/70 can trace it's roots back to I believe it was 1943 of legendary AA service. CV 9030 (Export version of the 9040.) Norway ES 1995 PW ATK 30mm ROF 200Rds. Norway the only country to buy this variant. CV 9030 MK II (GRENADIER TANK 2000.) Series: PW for all users is the DP ATK 30/40mm BUSHMASTER II MK 44 ROF 200Rds. Switzerland, Finland & Norway ES 2002. Norway in 2003 upgraded 17 to the CV 9030NF1 which included improved mine protection, AC & rear view camera, prepped for Afgan. overseas deployment. The current operational "King of the Mountain" in the CV 90 Series is... CV 9035 MK III Series: PW for all users is the DP ATK 35/50mm ROF 200Rds. Denmark ES 2008. Netherlands ES 2008. These are your current six operators. Netherlands is fielding theirs in the 50mm configuration as these replaced the LEOPARDS they took out of service at the end of 2010/early 2011 as was submitted in the 2011/2012 Campaign. MK III has to also be considered for TI/GSR of 50 due to advanced 3rd Gen. FCS. Again the 30/40mm or 35/50mm can be operated in either cal. with minor field changes of a handful or less of parts. This might explain the consistent ROF numbers by the manufacturer in this case ATK. Unfortunately depending on your "pov" I suspect this might lead to adding units to reflect this capability as well. Just saw the above post when I posted, my BOFORS info came off a couple of weapons sites. WW web my :censor:. Regards, Pat |
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All the Bushmasters use a 2HP motor to drive the things, whatever calibre variant.
Single shot, low rate auto (100RPM), and fast rate auto (200RPM) are the three available speeds offered. Mechanism is the same, only calibre differs. (There is a naval version of the 25mm with an 8HP motor, that can do 500RPM auto. Irrelevant to us.) The game has no way to differentiate variable rates of fire - so the max rate is all we can go on as a figure. So all bushmasters will be 200. The 40/70 on the Swedish model is up in the air, as sources seem to disagree on its actual RPM, but it looks to be about the same as the bushmasters, or near enough for government work (i.e. ~200). Andy |
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Don,
Just found this I should've checked here sooner as it's one of my better sources you know I use. http://www.armyrecognition.com/swede...es_video_.html From para 1 "The 40 mm gun can be aimed and fired by the commander or gunner selecting single shots at 60 rds/min, or automatic with 300 rds/min cyclic rate of fire. Maximum effective ranges are 2,000 m for ground targets and 4,000 m for air targets." I suspect the others were showing the Max. ROF @ 330 which as you know many sites use that most of the time. I seriously need too hit the rack!!! Regards, Pat P.S. Thanks Andy right ROF, just wrong reasoning on my part for it. I learned something and it makes sense with these type of weapons concerning the drive units. Now about the rack...! Good Night all!! |
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Both the experimental CV90 versions, the one with Rbs56 ATGM and the one 120mm AMOS twin mortar system have been represented in game in the Swedish OOB as Strf9040/56 and two different SP-mortar units based on the Grkpbv 120 idea. Both ideas have however been scrapped and do not exist in the Swedish defence today, and unless something extraordinary happens never will. |
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This was the first "Norway OOB" thread item I could find to post the ref below. During the "commercial break" I just checked the source and it seems they provide information such as posted below for table top gamester's it looks like. It appears maybe that this might be "another tool in the shed" for you developer types you might also find the "Links" section useful as well.
http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/modcwnorwegian.pdf http://www.fireandfury.com/extra/ordersofbattle.shtml Links... http://www.fireandfury.com/links.shtml Thought when I first came across this they were actually re-posting the item from the Norwegian MOD. All in the name of artillery. :doh: Were Norway is heading... https://forsvaret.no/forsvarsmaterie...02015-2023.pdf https://www.regjeringen.no/globalass...h-brochure.pdf This falls into my "One World/One OOB" concept. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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