Primordial Cake: A simple sweet game to the death. No complex rules. Self-imposed diplomacy only. Mild pacing. All skill levels allowed. Post if you want to join. Pick a nation when you do.

New Old Rule: Any player who stales a total of 3 times in a 5 turn span will be removed from the game. If their position is good, I will attempt to find a replacement. If not, I will simply find someone to set them to AI.

Details:
-Late Age Game
-All Nations Allowed
-No Graphs
-CMB 1.92 (ettin fix) (thread for mod) (direct to ZIP)
-Epotara (thread for map) (direct to ZIP)
-llamaserver (game page)
-All Other Setting Normal

The mod above requires the normal CMB 1.92 (for the sprites). (thread for mod) (direct to zip)

Players (Nations)
-Unoptimized (Ermor) :rip: :dagger::dagger:
-AreaOfEffect (Man)
-Jolly Roger (Agartha) :rip:
-Tiavals (Gath) :rip:
-mattyburn7 (Bogarus)
-revenant2 (Arcoscephale) :dagger:
-shunwick (Pythium) :rip:
-Ashix (Ulm) :rip:
-Gargouille (Jomon) :rip:
-ghoul31 (Patala) :rip:
-Yellowcactus (Mictlan) :computer:
-dark7element (Utgard) :dagger:
-Gokufan1988 (Abysia) :rip:
-HoleyDooley (Caelum)
-Reverend Zombie (Marignon) :rip:
-Groundworm (T'ien Ch'i) :dagger:
-danbo (Atlantis) :dagger::dagger::dagger:
-googly1 (C'tis) :computer:
Symbol Key: Defeated :rip:, AI Controlled :computer:, Player Kill :dagger:, Winner :trophy:

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Agartha !

Thanks for setting this up.

Regards, Klaus

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Gath please. I've been itching to play them for a while.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

I'm in as BOgarus.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

I'll join as Atlantis.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Pythium please. New to MP. What does self-imposed diplomacy mean? Thanks for setting the game up.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

I've changed my mind: I'd like to go with Arcoscephale instead.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Rev: As long as you are not Ermor!!!

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

I finally get to be one of the good guys :)

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Means that there will be no mechanism in the game for upholding NAPs (Non-Aggression Pacts). If you make an NAP and stick with it, that's great, but the choice to do so is personal. People can break an NAP at will and I won't care and I won't do anything about it. Now for those who don't like this, oh well. If someone breaks your trust, just don't trust them a second time is all I can say.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

So basically in most games if you break the NAP you are somewhat konwn as a "NAP breaker" in that game and others. Per your rules there really shouldn't be a penalty like that for breaking the NAP. Is that a correct assessment?

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Hello, sory, i speak and understand bad english, "google translator" help me. I play since a month, a friend give me the game, but i buy one for me next chrismas (me poor). I would try first MP with Jomon... Thank for game creator, i play (SP) only with Dominion now, it's realy very good game (me no good player, but i learn).

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Rlyeh.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Pretty much. However, most people take play it game-to-game. I personally don't try to keep track of who has been untrustworthy in other games.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

patala

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Been gone a few years, but back for some BLOOD.

Please sign me up for Mictlan

-Athenspatch

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Sign me up for Utgard. I'd like to play.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Can I get in on this as Abyssia?

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Pythium doesn't have a LA version, do they?

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

They do. It's called the Serpent Cult. You're thinking of Machaka.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Wow...Reverend Zombie still playing...there's an old timer!

Also, Will this map be without sites? I see some of the Alexandria maps roll that way.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

I'm in, nation TBA...

HD

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

I stand corrected.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Marignon, please.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

This sounds ambitious and entertaining. I was thinking about another joining another game, and this sounds like a good one. I'm in with T'ien Ch'i.

What are the other settings, like magic site frequency and indie strength?

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Just so we are all on the same page then, trade agreements are binding but any diplomatic agreement is only valid as long as it is mutually beneficial to both players.

Or to put it another way:-

If you have a NAP-3 agreement with an adjacent nation, it is worthless to you apart from your own assesment of how likely it is that the agreement will be honoured and you really should never expect to receive any warning that the NAP is about to end or even start for that matter.

I don't have any problem with that as long as everyone understands. Whatever goes on in this game should stay in this game. It might be worth making that clear in the opening post.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

If there's still spot left I'm in as Atlantis.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

Caelum, thanks.

HD

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [looking for players 16-18 in total]
 

danbo, yes there is still room.

shunwick, trade agreements are another form of diplomacy. As for what happens in-game stays in-game is close to my own personal philosophy on the subject. Still, the point is that I'm not going to enforce any agreements made. For me, doing so turns a game from a game to actual work.

As far as I'm concern all the other settings are normal. So there should be magic sites for the lucky and vigilant. Indy strength 5 and all that other jazz.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Alright. We have 18 players, which is my cut off point. Upload your pretenders and we will get a move on this game.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

The LA Alexander map says it is not intended for Ermor or R'lyeh, both of whom we have in this game. Will this map work for us?

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Personally, I feel that in large games, diplomacy counts for more then actual strength. This goes double for Ermor and R'lyeh.

That said, I wouldn't want people to think that had no chance before the started. If there are any suggestions for a better map, I'm all eyes.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

I've included links on the main page for the original CBM 1.92 mod, which one needs for the sprites that the ettin fix references. Without it the game will likely crash at pretender creation.

Again, I'll be open to other maps, but if I see all pretenders loaded, I'm going to start the game so that we can get rolling with this. Best to start having fun as soon as one can is what I say.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

I wasn't thinking so much that these two were overpowered, but that there might be something about the map's start sites that wouldn't work for them (but that would only make sense for R'lyeh, I suppose).

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

I tried the Alexander - Late Era(No Sites) map with R'lyeh in singleplayer, and it worked fine. I also found a magic site, so I have no idea what that stuff means, since it seems to have sites and R'lyeh works fine.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Yes, I am confused by the "No Sites" tag since there appear to be sites. This seems to be a curious use of the English language with which I am unfamiliar.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Perhaps it means that it doesn't have Fixed Starting Sites(rather, provinces or positions)? A poor choice of words, but I could see it.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

In a multiplayer game with diplomacy, the strength of nations like Ermor and R'lyeh is also a liability, because few if any players will tolerate their presence, much less ally with them. I've only played one Late Age game before (with about 10 players) and Ermor got dogpiled as soon as the other players learned where it was.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

In this case, I believe "No Sites" means that our version of the map does not have the special, fixed magic sites (libraries?) that appear in the "scenario" version of the map.

AFAIK, we will have whatever random magic sites are determined by the game settings.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Ah, that would make sense. Thanks for that.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

As someone who's playing Ermor in another game, I think I know why this map is unsuitable: It's too big. If Ermor does well, they'll have to deal with unspeakable amounts of micromanagement.

The lack of graphs will further compound Ermor's misery because players are less likely to concede, which will prolong the game (I like graphs off BTW).

Here is a what a screen-shot from Ermor looks like in the late game (Matty, close your eyes) on a smaller map. Note the large number of arrows, which -- you guessed it -- are hordes of undead streaming to the front lines. These undead might be free, but they don't move themselves.

http://devnada.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/map3.jpg

Not because they are too strong, but out of mercy we should knock Ermor out of the game quick.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Whoa. I did not want to see that!! :)

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Yeesh. It's like the classic painting "The Triumph of Death" in the form of a Dominions 3 map.

Then again, I suppose that painting is what it would look like any time Late-Age Ermor rolls into a province...

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

I've messaged tratorix that they are the only player not to submit a pretender. As I see it, unless I get a message back asking for more time, I will force start the game tomorrow evening. See you on the battlefield tomorrow folks.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Yeah, we have had 17 pretenders submitted for well over 24 hours....seriously.......

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Game force started. Sorry tratorix, perhaps next game. To everyone else, good luck!

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Maybe tratorix is a cool guy but I can't say I'm too broken up about not having R'lyeh in the game.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

AreaOfEffect,

I have a major problem. The opening turn arrived. I put it in the Primordial_Cupcake folder. I see it listed in game. I open the turn. My pretender is listed on the pretender screen. But my nation (Pythium) is nowhere to be found.

The display shows Map location ??? (9) I have 400 gold in the bank but 0 income, 0 upkeep, and no gems. I have no troops, no sites, nothing.

I requested a resend from Llamaserver and I get the same thing from the resend.

Pythium can not be found anywhere on the map.

Thoughts?

Best wishes,
Steve

PS: Since it seems unlikely that I shall ever be defeated, I declare myself the winner!

PPS: Since I have no candles it probably means that I have already lost!!!

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

Interesting, I have personally never encountered this bug before. My first instinct is to restart the game. Probably the best time to ever rollback a turn. Hopefully we will never have to do this again.

Re: Primordial Cupcake - LA, No Graph, CMB - [Enrollment Closed, Upload Pretenders]
 

I've officially ruined the game by unmaking the turn in the wrong way.

I've had to make a new game page with a different name.

Everyone must now re-submit their pretenders to the Primordial_Cake game page. Sorry.

This sort of puts a big poop stick on what was a pretty awesome day.

Edit: Be sure to use the new game name: Primordial_Cake
(The old one could not be reused.)

Edit: Corrected the game page it accepted the right age.