B1-B Lancer and B2 Spirit JDAMs
 

Hello.

Why in this game are not included as "strike element" B1B and B2 bombers in the USA OOB with JDAMs?

They are in service in Afghanistan, very useful against some targets.

Regards, Luigi

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What do you call Unit 355 then ???

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I'm sorry, I were not at home and i didn't remembered well. I mean B52 and B-1B because in the Strike Element section B2 is already represented.

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Have you looked at how many empty slots are left in that OOB ?? Right now in the master OOB there are 17 and I'm not going to waste any of the remaining ones by adding redundant items. The B2 MORE THAN covers what the B-52 and the B-1B could offer and there are 3 other JDAM armed aircraft if the B-2 is more than you need as well as 2 aircraft armed with 500 lb Paveways and 5 more with 2000 lb paveways

So no, I won't be adding B-52's and B-1B's to the Strike Element section

Don

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I guess there are a lot of other things that could be added, like HEMTTs, obscure logistics units, the TAM110, and the M93 Fox. But yeah, the current unit list pretty much covers those.

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Speaking of JDAMs, a while back I was tinkering with stand-off weapons because the thought of overflying the target after dropping the munitions made no sense to me (except give the enemy a chance to shoot you down). Right now, they work like very accurate LGBs, which they aren't; the delivery aircraft neither designates nor overflies the target. I can propose three methods to handle stand-off weapons: 1. make the munition a very accurate "dumb" bomb, provide no unit icon for the delivery aircraft, and make it an incredibly small and hard to hit level bomber (but it still overflies the target); 2. make the munition an artillery weapon, and make the delivery aircraft off-board artillery (and risk it being counter-batteried); or 3. make the munition a direct fire weapon, and put them in the FO unit (and risk losing the munitions when the FO unit dies, which reflects loss of designate capability). I would like to hear what you all think about this, thanks

John

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#3 sounds very reasonable.

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Er, yes?
The way all PGMs work in the game is that the aircraft shows up at the edge of the map, launches its PGMs, then disappears immediately - it does not overfly the target.

You only get a "normal" attack run if the aircraft didn't find a target.

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I second that stand off weapons are fired & then the plane exits unless it finds no target in the designated area in which case it does a pass over.

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It really helps to understand how the game actually works before making suggestions on how to change it and this tread from the very beginning is a good example of that.

While out-of-the-box thinking can lead to innovation it really helps to test first


Don

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Mea culpa, I apologize for insufficient playtest leading me to believe that PGM runs are always followed by overflight. I just tested with various tac air with and without a mix of weapon type 17 AGM/LGBs and type 11 aircraft weapons, and both types will exit immediately if the PGMs hit their target hex; however, ones with a mix will overfly even if they're out of type 17s because they have type 11 ammo left. I believe it was mixed loads that confused me into thinking all PGM strikes overfly the target, sorry. I understand the mechanics of this better now, thanks for enlightening me.

Therefore, JDAM-equipped aircraft should never carry a mixed load with type 11s, or there is a chance it will overfly the target if it can't find the target in the designated hex. I also see a problem with my suggestion #3, in that if the JDAM is used as a direct fire weapon, there's insufficient delay from launch to target, which will allow misuse of JDAMs against mobile targets, hence they still use LGBs and AGMs against these today. I apologize for the screw-up, and withdraw my suggestions.

John

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Well at least you looked into things at first, wouldn't beat yourself up to badly. I promise not to point you to any posts this time :shock: ! However you should've seen my first posts in the forum on a question concerning MRAPs in the game. After about 2-3 pages of posts on the matter the light bulb finally came on. It started with me being very :confused: the help I got started out :), ;), :re:, :rolleyes: towards :eek: (Were did he come from!?!), :cold:, :mad:, :tough:. I hung in there since I :dk: while :banghead until FINALLY :doh: I got it :happy: and boy was I :o then everything was :cool: and I think even a :party: and some :cheers: occured! Some I think hoped I would even go away after all the :hammer: it took for me to figure things out but as we know I didn't so...:nana:! But seriously I've taken in and learned from everyone out here and it's been overall a great experience for me. In my current line of work and in my shift in particular "you can't be thinned skinned here..." but we'll bend over backwards to help you as long as you're willing to help yourself first. Kinda true around here to it seems. Your posting good stuff but then I always was partial to research and refs!?!
And sometimes and thankfully only every couple of years or so, I just really like those "smiley dudes" which reminds me hope you all have a Happy St. Paddy's Day :ire !! I think a Southwick's or two will be in order later today!!

Regards,
Pat
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I've annoyed Don a time or two myself.



OK, OK, a time or forty ... picky, picky, picky ...

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Suhiir,
I'll race you!?! Besides I run on Nuclear Power!! And just to stay on topic they've increased the bomb load on the B-1 (serious part) which let's them drop more things that go boom (maybe less serious part) when they hit the ground! I need to talk to a pilot about the TRANCHE 3 EUROFIGHTER (serious part again) ground attack capabilities. Time to go!!! Everyone please enjoy the rest of your weekends and have a safe week!!

Regards,
Pat

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I will give the US Air Force credit.
I have yet to see them miss the ground.

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SMITHWICK'S !:doh:

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:lol Thanks Pat, I don't think I've seen a finer collection of Smilies in one post! I am a tad :o as I worked playtest at a game company twenty years ago, I shoulda known better (mebbe a little rusty, having changed careers in the interim). Did a little scripting in C back then, helping the programmers who had to deal with our bug reports, so I'm keenly aware of the PITA to ROI ratio the team has to deal with. I admit that since picking up Steel Panthers III, I've spent less and less time playing than researching, and it's been a quarter century since I've pushed metal even though I still collect microarmor :D

Happy St. Paddy's Day to all! :cheers:

John

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Well well I see some things haven't changed. It's not easy being the "moral officer" at work and here!?! So to Suhiir the race is on! May the winner "lose" in the context of your post, we've only got to Jan 2022 for the last equipment post for the 2020 items!?! John thank you for yours, I do what I can!! And leave it to me to leave it to Don to catch that type error again!?! And for the sake of Don :happy:, I'll be brief :shock:. There's a well known Irish Pub in Savannah, Ga. were I asked for that fine Irish Ale as it appears on the label to the barkeep (I was duly corrected and took my pint and smartly removed myself from the area of the misunderstanding!), let's just say though try as I might I can't seem to pronounce it in the proper Irish fashion. Alas , since that incursion and affront to the nation and people of Ireland, as I begin to ask for it now when we go, and out of deference to my heritage, Alto Tenor voice and finally to maintain peace amongst our nations the pint magically appears now!! So in conclusion, and due to the lack of my pronunciation skills, I went to the fridge to verify the spelling and we see the final result of that now!! ALAS I SAY it's Don again to correct me!! Tis a cruel, cruel world out there. But fear not!! After doing battle in the yard removing nuisance trees and vines with thrones, I sat down to my Irish dinner in observance of the day and had that misnamed :censor: ale and enjoyed it in the Sunset of the day however it's pronounced!!
So in the spirit of the day as everyone is Irish today no matter where you come from always keep what's important to you closest to your heart always and protect them as if there was no tomorrow. For someday there won't be one. Cheers :cheers:!!
Don and Andy again for another year I hope that helped as you both head down the "home stretch" again.
John P. how was my brevity, yeah I know missed the mark again-sorry Don! :D

Regards,
Pat
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