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iceboy February 4th, 2013 04:58 PM

Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Seems like a simple easy lower level spell that can do great harm? Can it be prevented?

bbz February 4th, 2013 05:47 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
No no way to prevent it. Its quite naughty if you get your God horror marked.
The thing is I believe at the beginning the power of the horror mark is low, so you shouldn't get attacked by many/strong horrors. afterwards you can use bodyguards for your horror-marked SC's to prevent them from getting hit and horror-marked more by the horror attacks.(which will lead to bigger and bigger horrors appearing and almost sure death).

Another thing about horror marking is that its a slow process. And while it is certainly annoying the Horror marked unit has some 20-30 turns(that is relative) before being attacked by the big horrors and dying. So even for 10-5 turns you can wipe your enemy out. Thus horror marking is not as efficient (at least in my eyes) as paralyze(which outright can lead to your SC's death.

iceboy February 4th, 2013 06:02 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
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Originally Posted by bbz (Post 816978)
No no way to prevent it. Its quite naughty if you get your God horror marked.
The thing is I believe at the beginning the power of the horror mark is low, so you shouldn't get attacked by many/strong horrors. afterwards you can use bodyguards for your horror-marked SC's to prevent them from getting hit and horror-marked more by the horror attacks.(which will lead to bigger and bigger horrors appearing and almost sure death).

Another thing about horror marking is that its a slow process. And while it is certainly annoying the Horror marked unit has some 20-30 turns(that is relative) before being attacked by the big horrors and dying. So even for 10-5 turns you can wipe your enemy out. Thus horror marking is not as efficient (at least in my eyes) as paralyze(which outright can lead to your SC's death.


Got it thanks. I thought maybe anti magic amulet or something would maybe help protect from that spell.

bbz February 4th, 2013 07:00 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
http://dom3-mod-inspector.googlecode...l?selectmods=1

this is a really good source of any spell,unit or item statistics that you might be interested in. It shows you which spells can be negated by magic resistance(if there is a "MR negates" in the spell's description) and if it doesnt say that then it is not negated by MR, but probably something else (like fire damage with fire resistance).

Soyweiser February 5th, 2013 06:23 AM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Being horror marked is usually less of a problem than you would think. Only pretenders and uniques are fubarred when horror marked. And as pretenders can show up pretty quickly ingame. Horror marking is a valid (but very slow) counter against them.

It takes to long for a horror marked unit to be killed by those horror marks. (And is the unit has astral magic, you can always script returning).

Units (not commanders) that are horror marked do not even get randomly attacked by horrors. (And you can use them as bodyguards so that these bodyguards get attacked before the commanders get attacked).

I should not worry about it to much. You can always create more SCs.

PsiSoldier February 5th, 2013 09:36 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Yeah but don't horror marks stack? If you are having particular trouble with a nasty SC that doesn't have much backup I think you can stack Horror marks on it and it won't take long at all for a lot of nasty horrors to start showing up and attacking it thus compounding the problem.

sansanjuan February 5th, 2013 10:42 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Indeed they stack. The only way to avoid the doom horrors is to have astral with pearls and returning scripted.
ssj

Soyweiser February 6th, 2013 10:06 AM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Yeah they stack. But what is worse, having a horrormark stacked SC die after half a dozen combats, or have it die in once combat because the S mages were scripted to either cast stellar cascades or mind burn instead of horror mark/astral geyser?

NTJedi February 6th, 2013 02:45 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
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Originally Posted by iceboy (Post 816975)
Seems like a simple easy lower level spell that can do great harm? Can it be prevented?

In a way... yes it can be prevented. The horror marking spell will target the largest creatures in the battlefield. So if your pretender is size 4 have him travel with many size 5 and size 6 units. If your pretender is size 6 than it's a gamble against other size 6 units/leaders.

Soyweiser February 6th, 2013 04:09 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Vine ogres and dark vines can be used as easy cheap decoys.

JonBrave February 6th, 2013 04:27 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NTJedi (Post 817039)
Quote:

Originally Posted by iceboy (Post 816975)
Seems like a simple easy lower level spell that can do great harm? Can it be prevented?

In a way... yes it can be prevented. The horror marking spell will target the largest creatures in the battlefield.

I don't doubt that you're right, but how do you know this? Is it experience or is there a reference?

(Edit)
I see that http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Horror_Mark says "Mages often target units with more HP. " Is that what it means?

PsiSoldier February 6th, 2013 05:38 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 817031)
Yeah they stack. But what is worse, having a horrormark stacked SC die after half a dozen combats, or have it die in once combat because the S mages were scripted to either cast stellar cascades or mind burn instead of horror mark/astral geyser?

Mind burn and such is not always an option. Particularly with SC's that have insane Magic Resistance... Yeah you might get lucky and Soul Slay him or something but you don't need luck with stacked Horror Marks because they are going to hit regardless of resistance. Assuming they don't hit someone else. If you have several mages capable of horror marking you can easily add a screen of chaff to delay the SC while your mage's horror mark for a few turns and then turn tail and run. The damage will be done and cannot be undone. You can't say the same for Mindburns unless they get lucky and even then a few mind burns are not going to kill most SC's.

PsiSoldier February 6th, 2013 05:42 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Also I don't believe that is correct about horror mark always hitting the largest enemy unit... I was Horror marking a few turns ago in a game and it looked like it was just hitting normal infantry units when there were cavalry/Knights that were larger. It might normally prioritize higher value targets based on Size but from what I see that is no guarantee.

I had a good sized enemy army in my territory and I had cut off its provinces to retreat to so I teleported my Pretender there to do some horror marking and Horror Calling thus killing their cowardly soldiers who retreated with nowhere to go. Before my main army came in to wreak a bit more havoc. There were No SC's there only infantry and Knights so there was no huge size difference in units but still it didn't target the knights who were larger than the infantry.

NTJedi February 7th, 2013 01:11 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
The horror marking will "usually" target the largest size units. For example several size_6 and 100 size_1 will result with 99% of the time all the elephants being targeted first. For example several size_4 mixed with several size_3 and more horror marks will land on size_4, yet some size_3 will be marked as well.
Bottomline is having large size units\leaders on the battlefield will help prevent horror marks from landing on your valuable leaders\SCs.

bbz February 7th, 2013 01:19 PM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
Also having them closer on the battlefield helps too(in my experience). So consider having a mage at the front of the battlefield set to cast spells with 2-3 elephants/size 6 units set to guard him.(but that's not 100% good solution because once your Sc's advance then they will be marked instead. but if you keep them at the back with hold/self-buff x5, attack,
The enemy's mages' script will run out and they might be safe from horror marks.

Fantomen February 13th, 2013 04:30 AM

Re: Is there any way to prevent being horror marked?
 
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Originally Posted by PsiSoldier (Post 817048)
Also I don't believe that is correct about horror mark always hitting the largest enemy unit... I was Horror marking a few turns ago in a game and it looked like it was just hitting normal infantry units when there were cavalry/Knights that were larger. It might normally prioritize higher value targets based on Size but from what I see that is no guarantee.

I had a good sized enemy army in my territory and I had cut off its provinces to retreat to so I teleported my Pretender there to do some horror marking and Horror Calling thus killing their cowardly soldiers who retreated with nowhere to go. Before my main army came in to wreak a bit more havoc. There were No SC's there only infantry and Knights so there was no huge size difference in units but still it didn't target the knights who were larger than the infantry.

Target priority is for hitpoints, not size.


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