Swiss OOB
 

Formations 304 305 Mech Infantry & Formations 280, 281 Mech Grenadiers

The squads are to big for their transports

Re: Swiss OOB
 

..... on the list.........

I think the wrong infantry unit was used...................should be unit 125

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...or change the numbers of poeple in unit 105, 348-350 and 306-308 to 9.

PzGrenadier using the tracked APCs (mostly)

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..... that affects all infantry coys making them 30 % smaller. ... seems like a big hit just to get them into transports. PzGrens serve the purpose

Swiss OOB - Staghound
 

I digged out some Information about the 64 Staghounds (UNIT 39) the Swiss Military bought in 1951.
They were never armed or operational.
Except ONE with a 4.7cm AT-Gun and two MG at 1954, ONE with a 9cm immitation gun and and three more running withouth any equipement.
The rest basicly disapreard... some turrets were later used as bunker and others as hard Targets for Training.

The source how ever is only in German - though relaiable - the army Museum in Thun.

http://www.armeemuseum.ch/fileadmin/...SAM_d_3-13.pdf

Suggestion:
Option 1 Leave them in; but Change the main gun to 47mm PzAbwK and remove the AAMG - avaiable from about 1954 - mid 90s
Option 2 remove them from the SWISS oob (my favourite)

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Option 2 works for me but what about unit 962 ?

Don

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ah there it is (47mm)...:doh:
missed it

Option 2 as well?

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Well........... there was only one.......... if that one saw a lot of use then maybe leave it in but if it sat in the garage the whole time I would say remove it and I will fix the formations

Don

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It was used only for Demonstration and testing.

But with so much equipement in Switzerland,
nothing has actually seen any activ (and with activ I mean fighting) duty (luckily)... ;)

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OK, "Demonstration and testing." does not qualify as "active service" They will be removed

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Some news from the Swiss Army. For the next few years it is planned to buy three new shoulder launched AT weapons. (Introduction 2017-2019)

Heat and Hesh RGW 90 HH (300m)
Next Generation Light Anti-Tank Weapon NLAW (800m)
Light Anti-Armor Weapon M72 LAW Mk2 (200m)

Does anyone know, if they are modelled in the game allready, so I could copy them over to the Swiss oob?

The closest I found is in the British oob, the NLAW, but the range looks different. They have 12(=600m), the Swiss page states 800m (=16) - and thats NOT the Maximum distance.


source
http://www.vbs.admin.ch/internet/vbs...n/ab16/rp.html

also interesting new Patrolboat and 12cm Mortar System (for Pirhana 8x8)

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While the M72 LAW had undergone many upgrades over the years (up to about the M72A7 version now) the overall range, accuracy, and penetration have been little effected. So just grab one off the USA or USMC OOB.

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What about the Australian (obat15) M72 ILAW (Weapon 17)?
It has higher penetration and range (35/7 compare to 30/4) any idea what "model" that is?

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I wish they were all this easy! The ADF uses the 4. M72 LAW (66MM M72A6 LDSFW). If you would like to use one, the ref below will make it possible well, probably not really however, it's listed under the "JOB DETAILS" section.
http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/army/j...mouredCavalry/

The bonus in this ref is it gives use their specific and current armored vehicles.

Loved the ADF actually had a military POC @ MOD that helped sort out many issues concerning armored formations, info on the LEOPARD retirement/status when they received their "new" M1A1 tanks and more. They were most helpful and I'm very grateful for their assistance as we were starting to run into roadblocks concerning "good" data. I think this was about four years ago. We made many fixes off the emails sent back to me which I believe I posted in here at the time or in the ADF Thread. Still have them in my box because you just never know!?! ;)

Time to chill out!!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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A brief overview of the LAW for us "dummies"...
http://world.guns.ru/grenade/usa/m72-law-e.html
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...armor/M72.html
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/filea...ers-M72LAW.pdf
http://www.militaryfactory.com/small...mallarms_id=72
http://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Porta...%20Weapons.pdf

The later models ranged out to about 350-500 meters effectively from the I believe from the A4 on.

Hey you can get hurt from them things! Bet it'd cook a hot dog reeeal quick though!?!

And of course the last is for my "spook" friend from that other service. :D

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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The M72 LAAW and M136 AT-4 are entirely different animals in spite of their many similarities.

The M72 is still used because it's cheap and pretty darn effective vs things like machinegun nests and lightly/unarmored vehicles, the US doesn't use the RPG-7 (tho the USMC uses the SMAW) so needs something to fulfill that particular role. It's slightly lighter and less expensive then the AT-4 which tends to be somewhat more of a "real" anti-tank weapon and has much better sights (in fact the most recent variant has rails so you can mount a telescopic, red-dot, or night-vision sight).

Besides, there are still thousands of M72s still in stock, may as well use them!