Usmc m16a4 acog
 

Just wondering if this is correct
All teams with the exception of recon seem to be equipped with a variant that has an accuracy of 28 rather than 6 like the squads.

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Two-man teams are, 4+ are not (unless it is in fact a secondary weapon like say an MG section).
Again it gets back to the fact that a "primary weapon" has its chance to hit modified by the number of men in the unit. So with two men at accuracy 1 (in the case of the base M16A1) they almost never hit, why even bother with a having a weapon it just makes the unit more expensive and is essentially useless.
Perhaps 28 for an M16A4 is a bit high, but it uses the same formula used to create the values when a weapon is used as both a primary and secondary.

Besides, these teams (ATGM, FO, MPAD, etc.) have limited ammo and are damn expensive (point wise) to be using as infantry.

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Why is it that USMC have such weapons? Other OObs don't seem to display this.

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The USMC OOB was recently rebuilt from scratch, the other OOBs have been in the game since day one.

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The weapon in question is being treated like a SAW in the USMC. The ONLY difference between it and DOZENS of other similar calibre weapons used in other OOB's is it's range....which is LESS than a "standard" SAW of similar calibre so NOBODY is going to lose a game to a USMC opponent because of it.

As well, this weapon as it's set up is virtually identical to weapon 21 AND 24, which has existed in the USMC OOB for a decade or more and never raised an eyebrow. The only difference between W21 and W25 is the slightly higher accuracy of W25 ( but it is an ACOG.. ) and a range reduced by 2 so it's perfectly acceptable as is


Don

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Well I thought this might be a good place for this article, the Commandant has ordered the full replacement of the M16A4 with the M4 Carbine/or Mini 4 by the end of FY 2016 (Sep.) also in an ongoing process the AB49 round will became the standard issue round of the CORPS. In tests conducted by the CORPS the M4 w/AB49 demonstrated better ballistic characteristics out to 600m then the M16A4.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/octob..._42710151.html

Something to keep my learned Marine friend busy!?! :D

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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simple.......... the M16A4 ACOG becomes the M16A4 / M4 ACOG. End of problem

as well it is already on my list to increase the range of all optical assault rifles by 1...........so any 6 accuracy weapons that are now 8 range go to 9 range and the M4A1 Carbine goes from 4 to 7 range and the Brit L22 Carbine goes to 7

It's a slight adjustment with limited affect on gameplay NOT a game changer


Don

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The main reason the Marines hung back from adopting the M4 was effective range. Prior to the ACOG sights and new ammo the M4 really was more of a SMG then an assault rifle.
But with the new sights and ammo there is little difference between them ballistics wise.

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Really not concerned with the ballistics issue for any other reason than it was a part of the decision tree as the article indicated concerning the M4 Carbine completely replacing the M16A4 in the USMC by the end of FY2016.
All I can really say is this is happening already in the USN (You know the one paying the bills.) as well. That the ballistics now allows the M4 to match the capabilities of the M16A4 (Which at one time was our standard issue weapon as well.) , the troops like it better etc. etc. again doesn't change the fact that the USMC Commandant has ordered that the M16A4 will be replaced in the USMC by the end of FY 2016 with the M4. That is the issue here as stated in my first sentence of my last post.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...--m4/30145257/
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...ntry/74593750/

For close quarters ship board combat (And yes we did/or do still "play the way we train" to defend our platforms.) there is no better weapon besides a good hand gun as we like the other services moved away from the M-14 and now the M-16 variants. The M16A4 though a venerable weapon is a dinosaur in our military the USA started the transition in earnest (They were also considering the HK416 (Only DELTA Forces are using them.) for all units.) USA about 6-8 years ago, USN and USMC later. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...roversy-03289/

The USMC will now just get there before everyone else to the full transition from the M16A4 to the M4. I'm just letting you know what's happening any OOB changes to that reality is on you guys if you want to pursue it.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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I was aboard a sub tender (USS Holland - decommissioned 1996) in 1975 and they were still using M-14s at the time.
Not the best weapon inside a ship :re:

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Sub Tenders were "fun", they would always remind us before "bus away day" from Charleston S.C. to Kings Bay Ga. (And once in Holy Loch, Scotland on the Providence.) to take the boat, to make sure if you were on the tender during a security violation (Especially a Nuc weapons one.) to "eat the bulkhead" or suffer the consequences. Imagine a busy passage the security alarm goes off the announcement is made ship wide and you happen to be in the passageway the Marines are responding from. Everyone "eats the bulkhead" but you (Think musical chairs here.) well those Marines won't say excuse me, they'll give a warning to clear the passageway and and if you don't that first Marine is authorized knock you on the deck and an M-16 rifle butt like most, will definitely ruin your day. If your lucky they'll pick you up throw you against the bulkhead, frisk you and give you a "love tap" to the small of your back and move, the unlucky ones just got run over by the rest as you're laying on the deck. I've seen it happen both ways, it would encourage us to speed along the turnover process to get off the tender and moved onto the boat as the other crew went back to Charleston.

Yeah, I believe the Sub Force were the last units to turn in our M-14's ~90/92. It was a great weapon and I shot better with that rifle at any range than any M-16 variant I used. And don't get me started on the 1911 Colt 45, loved it to!?!

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Ya mean they don't say " excuse me " ? .....I'm shocked...........:D

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Back then they used to man the gates of our (USN) bases as well, it didn't make for the best of relations between the sailors and marines. But in situations like I just described in my last post, it allowed them to take a "free legal shot" at the sailors. I'd hate to think what they would've done to one they knew and didn't like. However for the most part and for the best things are a lot better now. However the "eat the bulkhead" part well, I'd strongly recommend you still do that! ;)

Regards,
Pat

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I actually sat in of the "Welcome Aboard" brief the ships Master Chief gave new arrivals.
One part concerned that ... If the security alarm goes off those Marines will run over anyone in their way. And if you don't believe me ask the XO what happened to him a couple months ago.

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On a related note ... the funny part is after a few years the Chiefs and SNCOs got along with, and had more in common with, each other then they did the junior enlisted ranks of either branch.

And I still have more "at sea" time then 75% of the sailors I've ever known (the one enlistment folks of course).

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Ran across this:

"To strike the enemy beyond the range of the M4 or even the M16, each Marine fire team already has an M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle, which in semi-auto with its free-floating barrel and precision trigger also now doubles as the designated marksman's rifle. It's a role that will no longer be filled by the Squad Advanced Marksman Rifle."

Has zero effect on WinSPMBT as I already named the weapon in the USMC OOB just "Marksman Rifle" in order to use just one weapon slot from 1946-2020. But it is interesting that the team automatic rifleman is now also the team marksman.