Japanese OOB05 v.2014
 

A couple of thoughts while working upon Japanese pictures, for eventual future use:

071 Ki-43 Hayabusa - 250kg bombs were introduced in Ki-43-II produced from 11/42 (now 1/42) (though according to Polish monographic article by L.Wieliczko, 250kg bombs were used rather for suicide missions). Earlier Ki-43-I could take up to 2x30kg.

100 A6M7 Rei-Sen - photo is early A6M2

108 Carden-Lloyd - precisely it was Carden-Loyd Mk.VIb (single "L" btw), but according to Taki it was designated Type Ka (Ka shiki) - http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/carden.html
Bought already in 1930 according to Taki (or even in 1928 according to A. Tomczyk "Japanese armor vol.1") (now 1/33). Date change would demand changes in formations 111,112.

115 Kawasaki Ki.57 - it would need own photo - now it's Ki-21 bomber

133 Type 5 To-Ku - it was a prototype only.

147 Wolesley A/C - correct is Wolseley http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/wolseley.htm

It would be nice to have also Vickers-Crossley armoured car http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/VC.html

There could be also added Austin armoured car http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/austin.html . I don't know until when they were used, but it could be simply copied from Polish unit 651 (with eventual change of MGs), so maybe it's worth to add it until 1931.

148 M3 Stuart - photo is M3A3. It's worth to replace it with a Japanese tank photo, eg. cut from http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../japbook27.jpg

157 75mm Mtn Gun - used from 1935 http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/94-75.htm

200 Renault Type 79 - they were named model Ko tanks (Ko Gata Sensha). According to A. Tomczyk "Japanese armor", the Japanese never used "Type" designations for imported vehicles. See also http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/FT.html

201,202 Renault Type 87, Type 89 - as above - they were named Otsu Gata http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/NC.html
There isn't known armament of 2x MGs - they should be armed with 1 MG or 37 mm gun of unknown characteristics, but apparently longer, than French SA-18 (eg. http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/photo/f.../nc27_jap4.jpg ).

214,400 Type 94 (Early) - there's no information about it having a BMG

224 A6M8c Rei-Sen - photo is early A6M2

270,271 Yokosuka B4Y1 - photo is Aichi D1A http://www.combinedfleet.com/HainanRS_t.htm

273-275 Nakajima Ki-49 - photo is Mitsubishi Ki-21

279,280 Nakajima B6N - photo is Ki-32

282,284 Mitsubishi Ki67, Yokosuka P1Y1 - photo is Mitsubishi Ki-21

370 Yokosuka D4Y - photo is Aichi D3A

410 Type 3 Ke-Ri - according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_95_Ha-Go and other publications, "this design never got past testing in 1943" or made only in few pieces.

Regards
Michal

Re: Japanese OOB05 v.2014
 

The 37mm gun on the Renault NC was the Sogekiho, which apparently had no type designation:

http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/Sogekiho.html

An L28 gun with a decent muzzle velocity, so AP Penetration 4 would be a good guess for game performance.

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http://www.weaponsofwwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3130

another source suggests they were kept around until mid 1940 ..the end date has been adjusted.

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One more thing:

014 Type 5 Chi-Ri has a photo of Type 4 Chi-To

Michal

Re: Japanese OOB05 v.2014
 

Well Michael that's because 10 years ago there were no Chi-frigging-Ri photos to put in. Maybe I'll have better luck now


Oh good... I found one.........:banana:

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Request the Type 99 88mm AA Gun, if it's not too late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_99_88_mm_AA_Gun

Approximately 100~ were built, but they were held back in the home islands; and would have been encountered in an Invasion.

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Request you read the very first sticky on this sub forum

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The Japanese developed a AP round for the Type 99; it was according to the 3rd Guards Division's adjustment material "Chart of Material Efficiency of Current Anti-tank Weapons" (「現有対戦車兵器資材効力概見表」) to penetrate 120mm of armor at 500m, which is close/similar to the early 88mm Flak rounds that the Germans used.

BTW; if you google that phrase (「現有対戦車兵器資材効力概見表」) , you turn up some interesting japanese language pages.

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QUOTE

" The Type 99 88 mm AA gun was primarily deployed in defense of the Japanese home islands against Allied air raids "

so they may have had an AP round but that's as far as it goes

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I've restrained myself from bothering you lately, but since the update isn't ready yet... Anyway, I don't expect these notes to be applied, just in case... Don't shoot, just ignore :)

022 Type 92 SNLF - winter and desert icon differ from standard

23 Chiyoda A/C - it has armament of Type 91 So-Mo, that was in this place before. Chiyoda should have three LMGs (BMG and two turret ones, one with limited possibility of AA fire), though I assume, that both turret MGs could not fire at the same time.
http://ikazuchisen.wordpress.com/chiyoda-armored-car/

BTW: maybe it's worth to return Type 91 So-Mo armoured car as well - just copy from older OOBs?..

115 Kawasaki Ki.57 - should be Mitsubishi Ki-57 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Ki-57

147 Wolesley A/C - correct name is Wolseley http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/wolseley.htm

178 Type 97A Te-Ke - photo is gun-armed, better seems 763

215 Type 97 Shi-Ki - it also had rear turret MG

299 Crossley A/C - armament was two Vickers 7.7mm, crew 5, speed 70 km/h according to http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/VC.html

406,422 Type 97B Te-Ke - photo looks like MG armed instead of gun-armed, should be 4019 or 3736

487 Entrenched Tp95 - much better photo seems 09138

That's all.

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Page 44 and 50 of the book Japanese tank and antitank warfare says both the 57 and 47mm type 97 (1937) tanks have smoke candles.

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Just a few notes, after last updates. One of medium importance (333 M-H II), several minor, but easy to fix. Or might be ignored.


69 Aichi D3A - according to a Polish encyclopedia of Japanese aircraft by K. Zalewski, apart from 250kg bomb, it could take 2x60kg bombs (weapon 236) (now 30 kg)

117 Aichi D1A - same as above, but apart from 250kg bomb, it could also take 2x30kg bombs (weapon 153).

108 Type Ka - Bought in 1928 (now 1/33) according to A. Tomczyk "Japanese armor vol.1" or 1930 according to Taki http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/carden.html
Would need extending of formations.

148 M3 Stuart - isn't a better pic 9113..?

200 Ko-Gata - it would be worth to give it an own photo - this generic one doesn't look like Japanese at all. Here is the best choice: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=65&t=162780

Apparently also MG-armed were used, which can be added.. (possibly in two classes in mixed 3:2 platoons, along with two kinds of Otsu gata tanks)
One or two photos there show, that also long gun versions were used (weapon 9 37mm Sogekiho)

215 Type 97 Shi-Ki - it also had rear turret MG, which might be added, since it was its only turret weapon (245 7.7 Type 97 TMG?).


271 Yokosuka B4Y1 - it has two 500 kg bombs, but max load was 500 kg. Might be two 250 kg, but on the other hand, the photos always show them with a bunch of small bombs (6 x 50 or 60 kg?). eg. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6059/6...c22b5682_b.jpg

276 Mitsubishi B2M2 - 800kg was a max load of bombs, but 1 x 800 kg bomb is very doubtful, maybe against ships only..
Here it is shown with some small bomb http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL158.../412102182.jpg

294 Kawanishi H8K2 - maybe a better pic is 9143?

299 Crossley A/C - armament was two separate Vickers 7.7mm.
Maybe a better pic is 8691 or 8692?


333 M-H II - it was Mk III in fact - photo of Japanese cars: http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/thread/1133122529 (it also seems from the photo, that they have Boys ATR). Apparently they were used until 1945 (caption of the photo at http://www.overvalwagen.com/armoured3.html )

378 Ki-61 Kai Hien - precisely this variant with 4x20mm was Ki-61-II Kai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ki-61

That's all

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there will be some of that......


That unit had 2 new Icons added and the stats revised not long after the last release
x300%
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1482415803

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Cool :)

(and a Happy New year :) )

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One new thing that I've found:

009 Tp97 Chi-Ha Kai - according to Concord 7004 - "Tank battles of the Pacific war 1941-1945", first two were used in a Corregidor landing (5/42) (now 7/42). However, they were used in significant numbers from Saipan campaign in mid-44.

143 M3 Stuart - as above, officially serving from 4/42 only and used in a Corregidor landing (now 1/42). Unless we assume without evidence, that some might have been used just after capturing.

It would need a change in formation 110. Or a new formation might be created, since the Corregidor unit consisted of only two Type 97 Kai led by one M3. Otherwise, M3 included into the 3rd Company of the 7th Rgt were presumably organized in the same pattern as typical Japanese tanks (three-tank platoons, like formations 02 and 08?).

One more small thing: maybe 453 Type 1 Chi-He (class 59, for Home Defence units) should be available until 12/46 instead of 12/44? After this date it's available only as unit 10 (class 105) in less numerous Japan Def Tanks platoon.

I won't repeat former suggestions, apart from IMHO most important one:

333 M-H II - it should be Mk III. Photo of Japanese cars is at http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/thread/1133122529 (now it has a poor picture of desert Mk II). It also seems from the photo, that they have Boys ATR. Apparently they were used until 1945 (caption of the photo at http://www.overvalwagen.com/armoured3.html )

Michal

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22 Type 92 SNLF - according to http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/93car.htm and https://ikazuchisen.wordpress.com/na...3-armored-car/ the right designation of "Type 92 SNLF" is Type 93.

23 Chiyoda A/C - I suggest a name Type 92 Chiyoda (https://ikazuchisen.wordpress.com/chiyoda-armored-car/), to be coherent with other cars. This page gives 6.5mm not 7.7 mm MGs as an armament

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Since I'd rather use an existing thread than create another one...

Just changes to existing fluff text:

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Also, request name change of Formation 017 "Japan Def Tanks" to "Japan Def Tk Pl" and addition of a new formation titled Japan Def Tk Co

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If you are going to suggest a text change like this make sure what you suggest actually fits the format used in the game before doing so !

There are length restrictions for units so try again making it fit this time

Re: Japanese OOB05 v.2014
 

Don, I did check it before I posted; I got this in the in-game encyclopedia and unit data:

https://i.imgur.com/ip5QcfT.png

Is it SOP to leave one line's worth of text as "insurance" against text overflows, etc?

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I put the last one in as test this morning and it lost the last line so I had to edit it to fit...the other two I didn't have time to check