Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

It's coming and at some point sooner than later some will have to deal with it, though it would seem on the surface of it I don't anticipate any major issues here but, others out here are certainly more qualified then me in that regard. Current Status of Win 10...
http://anandtech.com/show/9094/windo...-now-available

I'll leave you to it as I decide between which new NOW gaming PC to buy next.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

New versions of Windows are like computer viruses. Loose data each time. Sure it's recoverable, but it takes time to learn the new system. I hate it. In fact I hate the whole industry. The computer idustry places machines as being more important than people. What happens when machines have more value than people? It becomes a convenient way for organizations to rip off other people. They know there's nothing you can do about it, so they know you will just learn to it live with it. I don't know who's more colder, the computer industry or the insurance industry.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Windows 10 to be released this Fall (mid) with a free upgrade for 8.1 users within whatever grandfathered window MS uses to determine who gets the free upgrade.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I'm still using XP,they can keep the new versions...

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I'm very happy with 8.1. Wouldn't want to go back to XP at all

Don

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I can understand that,but myself XP is the newest I've ever used.

I suspect if I ever buy a completely new pc that might change.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

That's how I ended up with 8.0 then 8.1. It took a week or so to get used to but overall I'm happy with it especially as 8.1 keeps me in desktop (and it runs the game without drama )

Don

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

D-Day for MS 10 has been moved up now for a 29 July release. So for those that haven't kept up here's the latest...

1. 5 earlier questions asked but, relevant...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techno...?ocid=win10msn


2. What it does (At least for now.) do...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techno...?ocid=win10msn
http://www.cnet.com/products/microsoft-windows-10/

3. The "Party Line"...
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...?ocid=win10msn

4. Who can get it and how...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techno...?ocid=win10msn

5. Finally media releases...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0OH1U320150601
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/techn...ticle24719017/

Well I leave it to you, my new computer just arrived last week still in the box waiting on my PNY USB 2.O/3.0 Flash drive and software less COOLERMASTER CM STORM OCTANE Mouse/Keyboard Combo. I'm sure I'll have my own adventures transferring files from XP to 8.1 and tinkering with the new machine. Say a prayer for me, I'll need it after all "I are Submariner"! :rolleyes:

I'll be looking in to see how you brave folks handle the transition.

This should do it until it gets released info wise. About the rumors that this might be MS's last OS (Supplemented by continuous updates.) I don't know however, you can clearly see the direction it's taking.

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Yep - a second windows start menu icon has just appeared on my 8.1 task-bar that wants me to sign up for 10 whenever it arrives. Could not get rid of it - so dragged it to the little pop up box thing that has the "cloud" icon in it.

Since I have a year or so from then to upgrade for free, I'll happily leave any upgrading to the early adopters, and then see what reaction these lemmings have to it.

In especial - I want to know precisely what applications the 10 "upgrade" deems incompatible - as apparently it wipes things it does not like.. and also I want to know if the promised "roll-back" option works, and does such a roll-back restore the applications it nuked as being windows 10 incompatible.

I'll also want a windows 10 version of start8 to restore the start menu to a proper XP look and feel - 10 apparently just puts up a zillion tonka-toy kindergarten type Metro Tiles. Not interested in anything Metro - this is a PC, not a phone.

The laptop is windows 7 so I'll probably update it first, if the reports are favourable.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

It used to be that the rule of thumb for Microsoft OSes was to wait for the first service pack before upgrading.

Nowadays; I'd wait about 30-45 days. Let there be many early adopters to find out the flaws the beta test army missed.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I'm going to piggy-back on MarkSheppard here, when it comes to Microsoft OS, I wait until businesses install it, when they adopt it, then I take serious notice. The Exchange Server 2013 is cool from what I hear. Back to OS's, I loved Windows NT-5, it was strong. I took awhile to migrate to 7, by-passed Vista, didn't bite on 8, and now am doing my wait-and-see on 10. If they have a professional or enterprise edition I'm interested.

My two cents worth.

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Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Last week I decided that there are certain aspects I don't really care for in 8.1 so with that said, I've reserved my free upgrade to Win 10 for the 29 July release date. My thinking is Win 10 can't be that much worse (Though I know it can.) so, I'll be sure to have have started one of my two current campaigns in 8.1 which has been running both without any issues since converted from XP. If there are any specific issues you want me to look for outside of normal game play just let me know. In fact I think I'll start both as one takes place in the mid 80's and the other is actually in "real time".

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

All I can say is let us know if anything doesn't work at least as well as it does in win8.1 and if you think something works better let everyone know what it does better. I'm going to be taking the plunge as well

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Thanks to all those brave souls who are willing to try this out for us!

(I'm sticking to my tried and tested Win 7 for a good few months yet)

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Well a novice and an expert can't ask for a better pairing. In deference to the great Lord Nelson, hopefully we'll not have made a mistake and end up as cannon fodder. ;)

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I installed Windows 10 over my old Windows 7. So far the only program not working is winSPMBT. I have upgraded to the most recent version of winSPMBT. It fails to open under Windows 10.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Nevermind it works in windowed mode, but not full screen.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Did it work FS for you before with win7 ?

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Based on the the last two posts, verified one of my current campaigns is working in full screen mode with 8.1. However what's missing is my Win 10. Found a handful of news articles from mid May until about a week before Win 10 release. It seems a "download hierarchy" is in place for the free download to...1) The 5 million beta testers. 2) Multiple OS package buyers. 3) Current OS operating status from 8.1 > 8.0 > 7.0 within that grouping the downloads will be conducted in what MS has dubbed as "waves" to everyone else. In short I haven't gotten my yet. So I'm stuck for now.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Yes, in Windows 7, on my computer, winSPMBT worked in full screen.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

It may be that you don't yet have video drivers for Windows 10 that will support 256 colour modes, or that the video card manufacturers think its an outdated MSDOS mode, so not worth writing. Microsoft themselves may have removed any requirement to support the mode as "obsolete" - same as modern windows versions (and video drivers for modern monitors) wont let you select 640 mode. Likely in the future even 800 mode might fall by the wayside as well, wouldn't surprise me.

So windowed mode using desktop resolution is really the best way forward. Its actually faster for modern day cards to do full colour display and convert the 256 colour palette into that mode on the fly, than to use a native 256 colour mode. It used to be the other way round in the DOS and early windows days of course!.

Plus windowed mode will work in collaboration with the other open windows programmes, allowing task switching without the risk of Windows messing up the palette when you try to return to the game, leaving you with a psychedelic display.

So, I'm not too worried about 256 colour full screen paletted MS-DOS mode not working. Its a legacy mode from the 1990/2000 era and 4:3 aspect CRT monitors.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Agreed.

Windowed /Desktop is our recommended mode but lets see how this changeover pans out. As Andy suggested this may just be a video driver issue that may or may not be resolved by the card manufaturer.......time will tell. Vista was a PITA but solutions we came up with for that allowed a smoother transition with win 7. Win 8 and 8.1 worked perfectly for me right from the start so lets give this some time



Don

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Meant to put this info into my last post but, Don and Andy are on the mark. For my Bitdefender Security Suite I just received notification less than a week ago that my product was now Win 10 compatible. Within the last three days JAVA Version 8 Update 51 and NVIDIA driver update for my GTX 750 Ti were released both in the early a.m. of the 29th this month for the same reason. They're big players and they weren't ready until the launch of Win 10 the same day. Another consideration to look at possibly, is your video card still supported? My last a HIS ICE 4600 (AMD) had it's support dropped about 1+ years ago. Though I ran a system compatibility check on my old PC for Win 7 & 8 and the GPU passed doesn't mean it would've operated properly with Win 10.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Just installed win10. First thing I tried was both games and not only does it run perfectly on my machine in desktop windowed mode, fullscreen desktop seems to run a bit better than it did with win8.1.

However, fullscreen mode DOES NOT work for me at 1600x1280 but it does at all other non desktop resolutions

Don

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Great news! Thanks Don.
2 down a whole bunch to go...

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

1600x1280 mode likely does not work since the monitor is probably 1920x1080.

On modern widescreen LCD screen days, the vertical resolution has to be less than or equal to one of the supported modes to run. I seem to recall that in the old CRT days, the video drivers used to clip to the desktop size - but not now.

That is why we introduced "desktop" resolution - it uses the currently set desktop video mode as the game's window size.

Windows 10 is though has some privacy issues, unless you don't accept their privacy defaults:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08...vacy_defaults/

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Starting up the game in win10 windows/desktop appear to be faster as in" don't blink or you'll miss it" fast....on my machine anyway ----5/10ths of a second fast in comparison fullscreen is around 8.5 seconds but I can't go back now and do a comparison with win8.1 but it seems faster to me in windows mode

.....and yes, my monitor is 1920x1080. I knew there were past problems with 1600x1280 I just forgot why until Andy mentioned it so nothing new with this upgrade

Don

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

For anyone that has experienced this issue during the download and or update process concerning activation of the "Airplane Mode" my cable/internet provider could find only two solutions reload 10 with apps/files saved or a clean reboot. Opted for the first and just got on the net Fri. after almost a week before work. This option however still caused me to reload graphics card, mother board and other software to further include security suite etc. Also I lost my Mozilla Firefox I had prior to being knocked offline, this resulted in losing 8 yrs. worth of data for equipment the big hit was in the APC area. Sorry I tried everything the data is lost and unrecoverable from Mozilla and the auto backup did not pick up the previously saved items. This is a hot trending item on the web here under Airplane Mode/or Loss of Ethernet connection can't connect to the internet. The limited reboot did get to the net (Obviously) now however the Airplane Mode is still on and will not shut off. Notified MS last Sun/was escalated to the ready...escalation trouble shooting echelon/was supposed to hear back by Tue. they called Thur./Fri. of course when I'm at work./currently awaiting call back (3hr.+ hold/or call back wait.)/I figure that'll kill the rest of my day/evening. And if they tell me to reboot I swear I'll "crawl" through my phone to India.
This was as it's turning out now, a smaller issue with Win 8/8.1.

Stay away from the Airplane Mode button in Settings!!

Game wise hope to start playing tonight looks like the games survived all this crap intact. Let you know when I recoup/revive and find my happy place again.

NOTE: They are seeing this issue to a lesser degree with hand held devices and tablets...be careful!!

It figures I'd be the one to catch the torpedo up my...engine room!! :rolleyes:

Regards,
Pat

P.S. My initial Win 10 download worked perfectly fine for about 24-36 hrs.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

:eek: Eeek!

Sorry to hear of your troubles, Pat.

Thanks again for being a guinea pig :o

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I'm now in my happy place, bookmark wise anyway. I completely forgot about my Flash drive which I just happened to leave in the new PC. Yeah the F drive I bought for that and other resources I wanted to keep when I went from the old XP PC to this one. Well after seven hours and of course while I was out to get some dinner, MS tech support called (Robot to see if your home.) and since I wasn't home, the case has been dropped and now I'll have to start over in the morning and keep a porta potty by my desk. I'd love to do it tonight but since I was up until after 0700 this morning hunting and reinstalling software etc. I'll take a pass. At least the "DC party" kept me from going to the bottom and I've reestablished some "buoyancy" and "trim".
Now all I have to do is find my Ethernet adapter so how I'm out here I don't know and am almost afraid to look. But then there is always MS support to help!?! :rolleyes: :mad: :cold: :deadhorse: :fire: sorry Don I'm just so there right now!!

Regards,
Pat
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Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Game battle report...
France vs. Russia Time frame: Current May 2015. Type: Meeting engagement. Turn count: 24 turns (Software invoked "mercy rule" for AI.) Status: Marginal Victory. Setup/deployment/save functions: Normal. Turn sequencing: Normal. Equipment and Troop operations/functionality: Normal Equipment and Troop characteristics: Normal (Morale, suppression etc.) Artillery characteristics: Normal (To include all Off Map/On Map SPA/SAM/MANPAD/Mortar units.) Air characteristics: Normal (To include all Helo/Jets) Artillery overload: Normal (Both sides.) Objective hold points: Normal (Both sides.) All others to include keyboard, mouse, GPU, Audio and games settings etc.: Normal.

Conclusion: It appears no anomalies were seen or noted during Setup/Game Play and games conclusion (Battle result/Experience level increase/Next Mission/Repair/Expand/Support Troop/Map Review and backup to Setup. Do we need more data have Germany vs. Russia 1884 Germany to defend in the can ready to go if desired.

I know what the easy way was- It works, however it does render the "...what of equipment was used" etc. question hopefully now a...moot point.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Yesterday while playing my generated campaign June 1986 Germany vs. DDR (East Germany) in Germany defending/AI DDR assaulting, I noticed that during the AI artillery (And the AI overloaded it's artillery-heavily.) phase where I had my Leopards under fire from the artillery the tank wasn't there and a couple of times the game acted like the tank left it's position (As if routed+) but there was no image of the tank doing that, in other words the screen moved to show the retreat but there was no tank there. The kicker here is after the barrage and during the rest of the AI's turn and then on my turn the tank is still in position and graphically shown and other wise functioning as it should.
I'm running Win 10 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750Ti GPU both are updated as is the rest of my rig (I finally have a PC you can call a RIG.). I don't believe this was my imagination this started to happen mid way through the game as my units started to come under more artillery fire. Only happened with my tanks as far as I can tell. Did NOT see this in the previous test game as posted above.
This sounds very familiar to what happened about 3-4 years ago I think in the thread "Ghost Tanks"(?) or named something similar to that. It had something to do about firing tanks "disappearing" if not mistaken.
Everything else seemed to work fine. Has anyone else seen this in a similar situation?

Game is in Windowed/Direct X and Desktop modes.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

As a post script, I forgot to add that I bench-marked my GPU with UNiGiNE's Valley and Heaven benchmark engines in API: DirectX11/DirectX3D11 modes in the High setting mode. It scored scored: HIGH. For those unfamiliar this benchmark (and others) is designed to "stress" out your GPU to make sure it's functioning properly in different environments.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

All I can say at this time is let us know if it happens again and if you have a save game that would be most excellent and if anyone else sees the same thing the above applies as well. We want to hear about it and a save game that repeats the problem would be doubleplusgood


Don

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I'll assume the game save has to come from the particular game in question that the issue occurred in and cannot be recaptured from the campaign file itself. On to the next game up to the deployment phase. No answer required if the above is true (No news is good news.) Did get a driver update downloaded earlier today (GPU) after my posts it might muddy the waters a bit. Will track.

Regards,
Pat

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

I'll never forget what windows did to my orginal version of Steel Panthers and all my other DOS wargames. They all wouldn't work anymore. To top it off, the prior version of Windows (Windows 94) worked with DOS. What happened? To qoute a famous line from a movie "I'll never put a life jacket on again"

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Well I finally updated to Windows 10 (64 bit), GTX 970 (359.00 driver).

Runs just fine in windowed mode.
So far totally unable to get it to run in full screen.

Re: Windows 10 Status and yes there'll be no Win 9.
 

Brought this back "up" only to show some of the early issues encountered with Win 10 all are resolved now as far as I know. I believe they (Issues) started on pg. 2 bottom. Hope it helps. Mines be running fine since my couple of issues.

Regards,
Pat
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