.com.unity Forums

.com.unity Forums (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/index.php)
-   WinSPWW2 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=139)
-   -   Finding artillery units (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=50811)

chris h May 8th, 2015 12:21 PM

Finding artillery units
 
When in bombardment assignment how do you find the location of an artillery unit.

Mobhack May 8th, 2015 02:19 PM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
An on-map one?

Probably exit the assignment screen and use the normal HQ screen, or simply scroll the map around. Not something I've ever had to do, really.

chris h May 9th, 2015 03:04 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 829843)
An on-map one?

Probably exit the assignment screen and use the normal HQ screen, or simply scroll the map around. Not something I've ever had to do, really.

Yes on map I should have said.

Not something I had to worry about often. I'm playing a large scenario and had allocated some 81mm Mtr to a hex. After they fired I tried to shift it's target hex but couldn't, it was to far.

At the time I first allocated the mtr I had a choice of two, one was much closer. I would have allocated the closer one if I known how far away the firing unit was.

Two options to overcome this. Provide a button that will locate the firing unit or provide some sort of hover or text info in the red strip about it's distance in hex.

DRG May 9th, 2015 05:57 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Explain to me why clicking on the 'info' button in the bombard menu to find out what the unit designation is then exiting the bombard menu a clicking on the HQ button then clicking on that unit in the HQ menu to locate that unit on the map is such an onerous chore that 'we' need to code a new button --- CLICK- CLICK- CLICK is all it takes to find out what you want to know..about 5 seconds

There's a fine line between 'convienience' and lazyness

Mobhack May 9th, 2015 06:33 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Also, the HE etc buttons are set to "invalid" if the target X,Y is out of range.

With mortars etc, I usually click on a few hexes past the intended impact zone to see if I'm on the edge of the units range and hence scatter may take the weapon out of bounds. If so, I can use a closer one. If i think its ok, then I plot on the intended target.

Although the game happily allows you to adjust the impact hex to out of bounds, some day I may look at that and try to fix it, the arty plotting being some of the nastiest tangled spaghetti in there.

In any case being able to adjust if it has gone out of bounds to put it back in is probably better than disallowing adjustment since it often results in a lesser break in firing. So on second thoughts - it stays as-is.

chris h May 9th, 2015 07:48 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 829874)
Explain to me why clicking on the 'info' button in the bombard menu to find out what the unit designation is then exiting the bombard menu a clicking on the HQ button then clicking on that unit in the HQ menu to locate that unit on the map is such an onerous chore that 'we' need to code a new button --- CLICK- CLICK- CLICK is all it takes to find out what you want to know..about 5 seconds

There's a fine line between 'convienience' and lazyness

On a large scenario it is not that easy or I would not have asked the question.

First you do not need to open the info window to find the ID of the unit.

Second you can't use the HQ button to go to any unit, you need the Unit menu to do that.

Third, in the scenario I'm currently playing it takes anywhere between 15 -20 clicks depending upon the calling unit. I call that onerous.

One last thing, 'lazyness' is not spelt with a 'y'. Maybe it's a typing error but it could be laziness for not checking the spelling.

chris h May 9th, 2015 07:54 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 829875)
Also, the HE etc buttons are set to "invalid" if the target X,Y is out of range.

With mortars etc, I usually click on a few hexes past the intended impact zone to see if I'm on the edge of the units range and hence scatter may take the weapon out of bounds. If so, I can use a closer one. If i think its ok, then I plot on the intended target.

Although the game happily allows you to adjust the impact hex to out of bounds, some day I may look at that and try to fix it, the arty plotting being some of the nastiest tangled spaghetti in there.

In any case being able to adjust if it has gone out of bounds to put it back in is probably better than disallowing adjustment since it often results in a lesser break in firing. So on second thoughts - it stays as-is.

Just an idea about the button probably is difficult to program now. It might not be as difficult to add the range in the red info strip at the top though.

Mobhack May 9th, 2015 09:27 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
[quote=chris h;829878]
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 829874)
One last thing, 'lazyness' is not spelt with a 'y'. Maybe it's a typing error but it could be laziness for not checking the spelling.

Well, you should have seen Don's first attempts at typing the other week, just after the stroke hit.. So just be thankful he's still around to answer you rather than attempting to be a spelling expert, eh?.

DRG May 9th, 2015 12:04 PM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chris h (Post 829878)
[
Second you can't use the HQ button to go to any unit, you need the Unit menu to do that.
.

you have a LOT more to learn about the game before you should even THINK about lecturing me on how you "think" it works

Click on any unit in the HQ menu (H) then click exit and that unit will be shown with a red hex around it indicating its location

chris h May 9th, 2015 06:20 PM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 829889)
Quote:

Originally Posted by chris h (Post 829878)
[
Second you can't use the HQ button to go to any unit, you need the Unit menu to do that.
.

you have a LOT more to learn about the game before you should even THINK about lecturing me on how you "think" it works

Click on any unit in the HQ menu (H) then click exit and that unit will be shown with a red hex around it indicating its location

I think you need some manners. Yes you are correct about the HQ menu but please don't shout. Oh and I've been playing SP since it first came out all-be-it with a gap when I could not get it to run correctly in windows.

Griefbringer May 10th, 2015 02:38 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Dear Chris,

May I kindly suggest that arguing with DRG and Mobhack, who have both put extensive amounts of work into maintaining these two wonderful games, is not likely to get you very far here.

chris h May 10th, 2015 02:54 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Griefbringer (Post 829907)
Dear Chris,

May I kindly suggest that arguing with DRG and Mobhack, who have both put extensive amounts of work into maintaining these two wonderful games, is not likely to get you very far here.

I made a simple suggestion based on a very large scenario that I playing at the moment. That is not unreasonable. Mobhack replied in a reasonable way and I understand why it may not be possible or that he is will to change it for the reasons he stated.

On the other hand, DRG did not, he got personnel. If anything you should be sanctioning him not me.

Now I do appreciate any work they and other put in but I will not be spoken too in that way for making a simple request without responding.

I've now said my piece and that's the end of it.

wulfir May 10th, 2015 03:56 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chris h (Post 829909)
On the other hand, DRG did not, he got personnel.

If you are concerned about spelling, I think it's "personal".



But, I don't quite get what your original problem was?

Was it finding the mortars or knowing where to plot their bombardment missions?

Imp May 10th, 2015 05:50 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Seriously its a minor issue with lots of ways round it, far more important & totally overlooked is the fact DRG seems to have had a stroke.
You have my condolences I hope its nothing to serious & wish you well.

chris h May 10th, 2015 11:44 AM

Re: Finding artillery units
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wulfir (Post 829912)
Quote:

Originally Posted by chris h (Post 829909)
On the other hand, DRG did not, he got personnel.

If you are concerned about spelling, I think it's "personal".



But, I don't quite get what your original problem was?

Was it finding the mortars or knowing where to plot their bombardment missions?

I wish I could say it was a tupping error, I was lazy with that.

It was finding the artillery unit but it is a minor issue.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:58 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2025, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.