Finland OOB v11
 

In formation 24 (Bv Jaeger Co) there is a Sniper group (M) platoon 184 that has nationality set to 0. I believe this to be in error as the starting dates set seem to be exactly matching between these formations.

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

My understanding is that:
Having a formation set to Nationality 0 means that particular formation is not available to be chosen by a player during force purchase - It WILL appear in your force if you purchase the parent formation.

see post #9 here for dev explanation.

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

That is a formation built to ONLY be available as part of the larger formation and is a common way to build formations. The US OOB has many like that where large formations are built using component parts of other sub formations that ONLY exist as part of the larger formation. That's been like that for about 6 years or so

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

Hidden sub formations (the player can't purchase) can be very useful when creating OOBs.

An example is the current USMC OOB. A typical Rifle Company has two Javelin ATGMs, one Hv Sniper Team, and two Sniper Teams. Thus a company is built with two different Platoon formations: one with the Hv Sniper and two with a normal Sniper and a Javelin. Given the option most players would purchase three of one or the other type of Platoon sub formation depending on if they were facing an armored or infantry threat. By making these sub formations hidden players buying a Rifle Company get a typical Rifle Company.

You can always, of course, use the editor to do what you wish regardless of standard OOBs.

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

Thanks for clarification! I did not know it had this functionality and that the Company formation does pick the platoon even if it has nationality id 0. Learning new stuff every day...

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

We've been using that since the beginning. It was one way before we got the code to get the AI to buy a more balanced force without allowing the human player to use it......we identified the formations the AI bought over and over then tweaked them and renationalized them so they didn't show up to human players

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

Sorry to bring this up, but some changes have been accidentally omitted or changed for the worse:
The 11.01 OOB has two ItPsv units, 321 (90 AA) and 322 (Leo2 AA) and neither of these has a thermal camera (vision 40) in the OOB data. To correct these:

Modify: Unit 321, End date 12/2002
Modify: Unit 322, Vision: 40
Add: Copy of current Unit 321 with Vision 40, start date 1/2000 to represent the ItPsv 90 AA vehicles after TI installation.

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

Oops, armor values seem to be wrong, too.

Modify: Unit 321, End date 12/2002
Modify: Unit 322, Vision: 40. Copy armor data for hull (and survivability) from Leo 2A4 unit.
Add: Copy of current Unit 321 with Vision 40, start date 1/2000 to represent the ItPsv 90 AA vehicles after TI installation.[/quote]

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

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You twice mentioned "Copy of current Unit 321 with Vision 40, start date 1/2000" but neither time did you specify an end date and to avoid this dance again next year that end date would be worth knowing...otherwise I have to assume it's 12/115

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

In my defence I DO remember copying the armour data to that unit...apparently it didn't "stick"

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

You twice mentioned "Copy of current Unit 321 with Vision 40, start date 1/2000" but neither time did you specify an end date and to avoid this dance again next year that end date would be worth knowing...otherwise I have to assume it's 12/115[/quote]

Correct, the non-TI unit ItPsv 90 AA (T-55M based) should be spanning 1/1991-12/2002 and TI equipped version 1/2000-12/2015.
Leo2 should then be 1/2016-12/2025.

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

The Coast Jaeger LCGs in OOB v11 seem to lag a bit behind the recent developments:

LCGs

All the changes below are in downloadable Obat065.obf in Unit slots
237, 801, 802, 803, 804: http://www.venhola.com/winspmbt/Obat065.obf

Unit 237 - (Meri)Uisko class:
last use year was 2005 [1] or 2007 [2], possibly depending on the definition of "use"; i.e. 2005 it may have been out of active duty and in 2007 removed from the equipment lists. According to Wikipedia (which refers to Navy site on a page that's expired and I couldn't find in archives) the first Uisko class boats were made of plywood (and not by Marine Alutech) but from 1983 to 1986 the 200-series were made of aluminium alloy (Watercat M11).
[1] http://www.museomilitaria.fi/ajankoh...messuvieraita/
[2] https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8212582

Modify unit 237: Meriuisko
Start date: 1/83
End date: 12/107

Uisko was replaced by
Jurmo class (Watercat M12):

Copy of unit 800 with following modifications:
Unit class: 46
Start date: 1/101
End date: 12/125 (They will be getting a MLU in 2017-2019[1])
Crew: 2
Carry: 125
Icon: ?
Weapon 1: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90

and

Copy of 800 as above but:
Start date: 1/105 (40mm AGL taken into use then)
Weapon 1: (242) 40mm AGL

The now-expired page on navy site listed:
[1]http://www.defmin.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet/2016?8173_m=8154
[2]http://www.marinealutech.com/boats/landing_crafts/watercat_m12

Jehu class (Watercat M18 AMC):
Delivered 6/2015 [1], listed as having 3x12.7mm + 3x7.62mm MGs and 40mm AGL [2], but other references state that it's equipment is 12.7mm NSV MG or 40mm AGL with a coax 7.62 PKM MG on a Saab Trackfire RWS[3] and non-turret 2 x 12.7mm AAMG.

Navy press release (quoted in https://maanpuolustus.net/threads/me....55/post-65347)
Copy of unit 800 with following modifications:
Unit class: 46
Start date: 6/115
End date: 12/125
Size: 6
Swim: 28 (A bit faster than Jurmo class)
Crew: 6
Carry: 125
Armour, steel: 4 all around, 3 on top
Armour, HEAT: 6 all around, 4 on top
Fire control: 20
Range Finder: 22
Stabiliser: 5
Vision: 40
Weapon 1: (69) 12.7 NSV TMG, Ammo: 90
Weapon 2: (64) 7.62 PKT CMG, Ammo: 120
Weapon 3: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90
Weapon 4: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90
OR
Weapon 1: (242) 40mm AGL, Ammo: 45 HE + 15 HEAT
Weapon 2: (64) 7.62 PKT CMG, Ammo: 120
Weapon 3: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90
Weapon 4: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90

[1]https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000002829109.html
[2]http://merivoimat.fi/documents/1951215/2015876/JEHU-luokka/8c36c210-310a-411b-ae90-c5081c535d7f
[3]http://saabgroup.com/Media/news-press/news/2012-12/Trackfire-RWS-Hits-the-Mark-for-the-Finnish-Amphibious-Market/
[4]http://www.marinealutech.com/boats/landing_crafts/watercat_m18_amc

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

Done.......

I hope to get the chance to update those Icons.......... ( hope..)

EDIT...... if you find a top down line drawing of the Watercat M12 let me know.... I found the Watercat M18 easy enough but not the M12 ( having written that I will no doubt find it in the next five minutes.......)

What I have done for now is a generic modern attack boat that sorta-kinda looks like most of the ones from various nations I saw photos of that is at least better than the ones in the files now
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1514560242

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

What you have looks pretty good! Don't know if these will help or not, because I can't seem to find a drawing for the aspect you wanted. But then this information might still prove useful in other areas. If ref. 2 doesn't go to the M12 article, it's on page 58 otherwise.
http://www.marinealutech.com/boats/l...s/watercat_m12
http://www.ctje.nl/dl/Books/Marine%2...g%20201311.pdf

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

The first link I had seen but not the second.

Because work is piling up and I don't have the luxury of excess time what I have done is created 3 or 4 version in different camo of the example I showed plus one each with the superstructure in different locations...it's not the ideal solution but it IS better than the choices available before

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1514642317

Re: Finland OOB v11
 

It is that fun time of year again and of course what a wonderful way to start the New Year for you guys as well!?! ;) :rolleyes:. But seriously, they look great again. But that top one is definitely the M12 without a doubt, as it matches the only pictures of the M12 I've come across. With CREW, I was a little surprised by the carry of 20 or 22 (Don't remember now.) passengers/troops.

To all HAPPY NEW YEAR!! :jam: :party: :cheers:

Regards,
Pat
:capt: