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Moebelwagen, these didn't have Bow MG's, yours do, they should be removed. Germany unit 175 both 2cm vierling (not in OOB) and 3.7cm versions.
Crusader AA tanks do not have a BMG yours do, they should be removed. units 080 and 105 Great Britian. 185 Polish OB. Units 80 and 105 Canada Chris Bishops Encyclopedia of weapons of WWII says The bow machine gun could not be fitted to DD shermans. The bow machine may have been removed as part of sealing the lower hull. The folded DD skirt would completely block the line of fire of the bow machine gun anyway. I think DD Sherman need to have their bow machine guns removed, USA unit 13, GB unit 24 canada unit 24. Im not sure where I saw this but I believe that in german service the platoon commaders 38t had no BMG as it was replaced by a radio. British tanks rarely had AA MG's on tank roofs, a quick look at the internet confirms this. These Great Britian units need the 30 cal AA MG removed 003, 004, 021, 022, 023, 023, 024, 025, 026, 050, 111, 117, 151, 154, 185, 194, 198, 221, 222, 255, 296, 302, 490 and 491. Same policy holds in these countries as far as I know also internet images seem to confirm this. So remove the 30 cal AA MG from these units also, In the Polish OOB units 008, 009, 015, 018, 026, 027, 028, 045, 066, 200, 201, 203, 429, 491. In the Australia/New Zeaand OOB units 003, 004, 012, 024, 025, 026, 043, 050, 111, 117, 160(should change 30 cal AA MG to Bren Bow MG), 161, 341, 342. Canadian units 003, 004, 005, 005 (appears twice?) 008, 008 (appears twice?), 013, 021, 022, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 028, 029, 031, 035, 050, 111, 117, 149, 160, 160 (twice), 220, 221 222, 223, 224. Canadian unit 349 firefly tulip needs the BMG removed. Same applies for the 50 cal AAMG in these OOBs, should be removed from British OOB units 040, 141, 305, 335. Polish OOB units 029, and 030. Canadian OOB units, 005, 010, 040, 141, 160, 315. Australian/NewZealand OOB units, 015, 140. In the rare event a British tank has a AA MG then it is usualy the BREN gun. I think maybe the USA was about the only country that had turret roof mounted AA MG's. German AA MGS I'm told were usually the Bow MG put on the roof and then only in rear areas. German Unit 984 should have a MG 34 AA instead of a MG42 AA. If not completely removed. German unit 006 Flamingo has a Bow MG (Kugelblende) in the turret, replace weapon 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG with weapon 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG. The sights for this Turret BMG were graduated to 200m Same applies to units 172 and 855, pz 1 command tanks these are also in ball type mounts with the same telescope. (Though Jentz says in tank combat in north africa these sights were graduated to 800m in the Pz 1 command tank.) USA unit 023 Calliope has a bow MG and coxial MG, but yours doesnt. Maybe use one of the 3 Rocket slots so it can have at least one of these? From the Osprey book japanese tanks 1939-45 and the web It seems no japanese tank has a coaxial MG. several of yours do. Looking at cutaways it appears the turret MG mounting is exactly the same as the bow MG mounting so the TMG or CMG should be replaced with a BMG. Also especially for those with the rearward facing Turret MG and a one man turret, the BMG, TMG and turret main gun couldnt all fire at the same time, maybe remove the hull BMG and double MG ammo loadout to show this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heE5GyHJ6Xw Says the Japanese type 97 BMG rear sight is marked from 200m to 1400m, the associated telescope to gives a view of 1.5 x 30 degrees. The gun is a copy of the czech zb26. So maybe greater range for this BMG, maybe 24? German Bow MG telescopes were 1.8x 18 degrees or 1.75x 18 degrees Different Bow MGs seem to have different ranges. In Jentz, Chamberlain and Doyles Encyclopedia of German tanks of World war 2 it gives ranges for MG13/34/42 in the German KgZF1/2 ball mounts as 200m. (thats nearly every german tank.) But Jentz says the MG37(t) in the MGZF38(t) ball mounting with a 2.6x telescope has a range of 1700m! These guns are in the czech 38t and 35t. Maybe these guns should have a greater range then? maybe 24?, but The british BMG, the BESA is a copy of this czech gun so maybe should also have 24 range?, but P.M.Knights book A15 cruiser Mk VI Crusader tank a technical history says this Under the best range conditions and with our best M.G. equipments the hits on a 15 ft screen during an approach run from 800 to 400 yards seldom exceeds 15% and this with a fully controlled gun. This refers to the hull turret mounted BESA and possible the tank is moving. Russian Bow MGs also had a dedicated telescope. The A10 BMG seems to be restricted to elevation only. http://tank-photographs.s3-website-e...bovington.html The General lee tank also has BMGs that are adjustable in elevation only. maybe these type of traverse restricted BMGs should have a range of 8 or less? George forty book tank warfare in ww2 mentions that Even the .30 calibre ball mounted bow gunners machine gun, without any gunsight , was accurately controlled by watching the tracer through the periscope. We could roll a burst of fire into a hat at a couple of hundred yards. So maybe USA .30cal BMG should have a range of 200m same as german equipments or maybe a little less as there is no telescope. Vickers Medium tank unit 125 should have a vickers T/CMG (137) removed and replaced by two vickers BMGs (238) firing to either side not the front, giving 3 MGs. Some were used at Mersa Matruh and Tobruk. Ospreys book The Rolls Royce Armoured Car shows that the turret Vickers MG is sometimes in a ball mounting, ie just like a BMG. Otherwise it is mounted in a very simple yoke with no gearing and fires over an open sight. This is similar to the Italian tankettes L 3-35 where this type of configuration gets a range of only 10 which is probably what the Rolls Royce Armoured car should also have instead of 24. Same probably applies for units like the 130 Lanchester AC and Japanese type 92 SNLF and no doubt most of the interwar armoured cars and tankettes that appear in the game. It would be safe to change all rifle calibre TMG ranges from 24 to 12/10. Jamie Prenatt's book Polish armour of the blitzkrieg says this in reference to the wz.29 armoured car. The turret also had an antiaircraft mount, but its use was discontinued in the mid-1930s when increasing aircraft speed made it impractical Your unit 569 still has the AA MG probably should be replaced with a BMG or maybe a TMG as in unit 574 and double MG ammo. This vehicle has one MG in the rear and one at the back quarter of the turret same as the japanese layout apparently this was to balance the turret. Gordon Rottmans Book on the 50 cal gives an effective AA range for the .50 cal of 800-900 yards He explains it this way With a flexable hand held gun not locked onto position, it is virtually impossible to hold it steady on a target on all but the shortest-range targets The War department field manual 23-65 for the Browing Machine gun calibre .50 agrees saying this Low flying aircraft which come within a slant range of 600 through 800 yards can be taken under effective fire. Fire is never opened at ranges in excess of 1000yds. and this The dispersion of the calibre .50 machine gun is excessive when fired as a free gun. (that is in any mounting except a tripod) So .50 cal AA MG and TMG should be range of 20 or less not 40 Ospreys book Humber light Reconnaissance car 1941-45 says the bren mounted in this vehicle has a range of 500m. You have it as a range of 24 Machine guns have a higher effective range on a tripod because the gun is fixed to the tripod at two points. In yoke or pintle (or bipod for that matter) configuration it is only mounted at one point and so becomes much less acccurate and so has a much lower effective range. This later category includes all the game TMGs and AAMGs, at the moment they have the same range as the same weapon on a tripod. So for rifle calibre MGs in this configuration range should change from 24 to about 12. It is not so much the calibre that determines the range but they type of mounting. Tripod or pintle/yoke. Infantry AA MGs on AA tripods could maybe have a slighty higher AA range or maybe accurracy as they usually have the correct sights for judging lead on aircraft which the tank AA MGs do not, but they are still pintle or yoke mounted. The Rolls Royce Armoured Cars used in North Africa were fitted with a boys, a BREN and a 4.7" smoke mortar in a fixed, forward only firing turret. |
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also there will be no change to BMG/CMG/TMG in game ranges neither will selective TMG's be turned into BMG's The first paragraph held info that interested me.. the rest not so much but if you actually run a test in the game you will discover that AAMG's generally fire at the range you think they should be firing at targets As for "It seems no Japanese tank has a coaxial MG. several of yours do."....if it's mounted in the turret beside the main gun it's a CMG for game purposes if it does not and we have one there you have a point......otherwise you do not. |
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As for weapons mounted in opposite sides of a turret, I understand, that this is a compromise. It's better to have Type 97 tank shooting the gun and then the turret MG in one turn, than to remove an ability of firing the turret MG at all... In case of tanks with a gun, CMG and rear MG in a turret, it won't be a problem to remove one of MGs. (BTW: in case of Soviet T-35 tanks, one of 45mm guns should be removed, because there was no physical possibility to fire both guns at one target - unless the tank turned in front of the target, and then turned again to fire both its 45mm guns...). In case of mentioned Polish wz.29 armoured car, note, that the variant with an AAMG is available only until 1932. Here is the same situation, with two (or even possibly three) weapons in different turret sides, manned by one man. The car also had a rear MG in a hull, which is removed in the game, because it was only useful in peculiar situations. As for AAMGs in general, I guess, that in reality not all tank commanders always decided to open the hatch and fire at each aircraft, instead of sitting under an armour... Moreover: I don't think, that AAMGs were often used for firing at ground targets after firing a gun and CMG, and before another gun and CMG shot... But I'm afraid there's no practical solution. Just a few thoughts... |
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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1505328652 The illustration was not created to be definitive just to show that it could be done and when they were entered that was deemed a good enough reason to include both. It does seem we have to remind some people that this is a game simulation and as such has limitations.... rear firing MG's are one of them and multiple turrets are another so their use is abstracted and if that's a problem......play something else. What we have now as deemed a fair compromise at the time but there will always be someone who thinks anything should be done the way they think it should be done but in this case this mod is mine and Andy's and we are happy with the status quo |
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But as you wish, if you believe it's realistically feasible in combat situation, I won't argue... |
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Since you proved the point that in certain cases it IS possible to target both guns there is little to discuss except had we set the unit up as you suggested I have NO DOUBT someone else would have complained and pointed out what you just proved........ that this is a viable shot.
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Piwbl, just about BMGs... not sure if you ever sat in one of those. You have very poor vision and X/Y axis mobility. You are limited to ironsights rather than main gun aiming devices.
In short: you give up your effective firing range for protected gunner. Makes sense to me. And now - since a wishlist is open - allow infantry units equipped with underbarrel grenade launchers to fire smoke at longer distance like assault guns :D |
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Well the wishlist already includes 60 items so " open " isn't quite the right word......more like " overloaded " .... That said, I will tack this onto the end of the list.......but don't hold your breath for this.......a GL as modeled by the code is not handled the same as say.......a 50 or 60 mm mortar which can have separate smoke rounds. There is nothing to tack a designated smoke round to |
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Nor are UGL weapon slot 1 weapons, and the code only uses the slot 1 weapon range, and type for determining whether it gives out smoke ammo, and sometimes class, where its limited to infantry classes and range 1 as a hand smoke grenade. The latter removed the old SP ability for infantry to pop smoke at will out to Slot 1 rifle range - so players could choke the map in smoke with grunt fire therefore we specifically reduced that to a 1 range as players were tired of the SSI infantry's "pyrotechnics".
Enough about that - we may look into it, if there is time. But its off topic for a thread on tank MG. cheers Andy |
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GL smoke is for target marking or signaling. It does not make a suitable screen volume of smoke.
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Good point...that saves time for other things |
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Its a movie but it is one of the few that briefly shows the bow gunner from inside. You notice in the M4 he is looking out the periscope well above the gun and must observe his burst to correct on target.
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BTW: Polish TKS tankette had wz.25 MG in the same mounting as turret mounted TMG in wz.34 AC, which has bigger range. However, weapon #228 in Polish OOB 7.92 wz.25 TMG has probably too high range 30 - should be 24 for such caliber TMGs. Unless we consider telescope sights... |
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I found a drawing here (1949 manual): https://www.scribd.com/doc/60892532/...5-%D0%A2%D0%9E . Scroll down to page 74. |
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On page 19 there is an info, that BMG had a telescope sight PPU-8-T with a magnification 1.15x (probably - poor scan quality) and a field of view 25 degree. It was scaled to 400, 600, 800, 1000 m. On page 90 there is a cross-section of the sight itself.
On the other hand, PzKpfw-IIIE had a BMG with a telescope sight KZF 2 with 1.8x magnification and 18 degree field of view. |
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Correct me if I am wrong but if anything with the exception of perhaps co axial machine guns if anything tank mg are more powerful than they should be. Reducing range or indeed the accuracy of the weapon to compensate makes sense especially if talking modern era tanks.
My understanding is firecontrol, rangefinder, giro stats apply to all weapons so if anything they are to accurate. BMG in general & just guessing are really more for close defence or pinning the enemy. |
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In many OOBs, including Great Britains there are weapons called MG (wpn 157) mounted in what is usually designated an AAMG position (on top), (Units 284 and 456 for example) these MGs have a range of 12 and dont shoot at planes. The reason this MG category gets a range of 12 is because of its simple mounting, equivalent to a bipod LMG. Many AAMGs have the same simple mounting but get a range of 24. I think some of these AAMG should be changed to range 12 MGs. I think this is an important change to make where applicable, because even though the range 24 AAMGs may engage planes at roughly OK ranges, 24 is too long a range for shooting at ground targets from a simple mount. These AAMGs rarely fire at planes, they are used for destroying infantry in which role the 24 instead of 12 range means they destroy much more infantry than they really should. This gives armoured formations in particular much more infantry killing power than they really had. 30 cal BMG gets a range of 10 hexes, 30 cal LMG gets 12, 30 cal AAMG 24, 30 cal CMG 24, 30 cal MMG 24, 30 cal HMG 30, same gun in all cases but different ranges depending on the mounting. At the moment AAMGs have the same range and accuracy as tripod mounted MMGs or a Coaxial MG. A MMG is firmly fixed at two points to a heavy tripod whereas the AAMG is swung about on a central pivot and so is prone to vibration, so comparably much less accurate. The MMG has little gear wheels to allow the tiny adjustments needed to adjust fire at and so hit distant targets whereas the AAMG is elevated and traversed by hand. Coaxial MGs have the benefit of firing in a more stable mounting with a telescopic sight justifying the 24 range. AAMGs fire over an open sight. Hitting something at 600m over open sights is very difficult, a hit at 1200m is not really possible without the tripod or telescopic sight. Hittig a fast moving fleeting, unannounced and unlikely to return target such as a plane at over 600m is even more unlikely. Field Mamual 23-65 for the 50 cal describes how to engage a plane, first the shots must be brought -on line- then adjusted for -lead- by -sensing- The manuel goes on to say, Accurate tracer sensings are difficult even under the best of conditions. Also a plane travelling at a conservative 200mph at 500 yards distance requires a lead of 70 yards at its closeset point, so knowing the range to the plane is also vital, but usually unknown, constantly changing, and most top mounted AAMGs have no AA sight to judge the correct lead. In any case if you read the manual fully it is soon apparent it takes time to engage a plane successfully it is not simply a matter of walking the tracer onto the target as in a ground target. Also many of the AAMGs are on vehicles where the user would not have been trained how to aquire, track and lead an aircraft target. So to qualify as an AAMG either the gunner needs to be able to freely rotate the gun all the way around him, or he needs to be able to freely rotate himself all the way around the gun so he has enough time to effectively engage the target as per the procedure in FM 23-65. For example If the gun is mounted on a turret with a pintle mount and the commander is in the cupola he can probably only cover about 30 degrees of the 360 in the sky, has insufficient elevation, and no AA sight to judge lead. So it is virtually impossible to track a plane long enough to bring the bullets onto target if the gun and firer are fixed in position this way. So this configuration is MG. If the gunner has to negotiate obstacles as he rotates himself around a fixed AAMG as in the back of a Universal Carrier that will interrupt his aim enough to qualify as MG. Even though a Hanomag 251's rear MG can cover maybe one quarter of the sky and has better than most elevation ability I determine it as a MG as the firer still has little ability to move about and so track the plane long enough to get onto target from the back of a cramped 251. The effectiveness of these types of mount are probably roughly equivalent to an infantryman taking a pot shot with his LMG. Lastly many SP guns carried a loose LMG which could be clamped to a gun shield. MG reflects this configuration better than AAMG. pictures show it is rarely clamped in place anyway, normally left loose. Jamie Prenatt's book Polish armour of the blitzkrieg says this in reference to the wz.29 armoured car. The turret also had an antiaircraft mount, but its use was discontinued in the mid-1930s when increasing aircraft speed made it impractical. So Ive done a survey of all the AAMGs that are less than 20mm to see what the effect is in the OOBs of these changes. Every unit that has an AAMG less than 20mm is included. Where the AAMG is mounted the same as Great Britains wpn 157 MG Ive recommended it change to MG. For M3 Halftracks if the picture shows no ring mount then I've recomended change to MG For turret top MG removal. Recommend for Great Britain (British policy) and Commonwealth countries. Retain for China, Italy as I think they may have been supplied by USA and retain if I think they are captured from USA, Japan. Yugosalvia, Greece I assume are Great Britain supplied. If an OOB includes a Firefly I assume they are supplied by Great Britain, Poland. I am unsure what French/Belgian/Netherlands policy was on turret top MGs though they are possibly sourced from USA Ive put in remove. If unsure Ive removed them as most verifyable photos show none. Also most period pictures of the vehicles wich in the game have an AAMG show the vehicle without an AAMG. Russian T26 and BTs for example. Gordon Rottmans book, WW2 infantry anti-tank tactics says the Marines often removed the turret MG as the japanese jumped on top and used them against the Marines. USA unit 383 T1E2 Halftrack seems wrong and maybe didnt see service. the book M3 Halftrack in action says this. T1E1 - M2 based mobile anti-aircraft gun featuring an open rear with a Bendix mount featuring two .50 inch (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns. The Bendix mount proved to be unsatisfactory. Prototype only. T1E2 - T1 with Maxson M33 mount in the place of the Bendix mount. The M33 mount also featured two .50 inch M2 machine guns. Would be developed into the M3 based T1E4. In Spanish Repubic OOB Weapon 215 50cal Quad AAMG appears on unit 271 - Guardacosta I cant establish a quad 50 cal existing in 1930. In Spain OOB Weapon 215 50cal Quad AAMG appears on unit 554 - Guardacosta I cant establish a quad 50 cal existing in 1936. Waterbourne AAMGs all remain AAMGs Various errors in the OOBs are noted where they appear in the list. Some of the AAMGs are incapable of AA fire, the hetzer AAMG for example. spob01 Slovac Republic ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 034 - Marder III H spob02 Poland ---017 Vickers AA-Gun (not used) ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 633 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 005 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 901 - SdKfz 251/1 (Rear MG mount only covers a little less than half the sky) ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 124) 008 - Stuart II (Remove) 009 - Stuart VI (Remove) 015 - Stuart V (Remove) 018 - Sherman III (Remove) 026 - Sherman III (Remove) 027 - Sherman V (Remove) 028 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 045 - Staghound 047 - Halftrack 066 - White Scout Car 114 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 124 - Halftrack AOP (Leave as AAMG, has ring mount) 136 - Halftrack SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 166 - 75mm SP Autocar (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 200 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 201 - Sherman V (Remove) 203 - Sherman IIA (Remove) 429 - M-H IV 491 - Stuart Recce ---140 50 cal AAMG (Change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 029 - Sherman IB (Remove) 030 - Sherman Crab (Remove) 114 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 130 - M10 3in 132 - M10 17 133 - M10 17 pdr ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for 187,188) 014 - Valentine VIII 033 - Wasp 036 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 209 .303 Bren MG) 131 - Archer (I can find no photographic evidence for an AAMG in this vehicle) 187 - Humber LRC III (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully) 188 - Otter II (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully) 430 - M-H II 433 - Humber Scout II 434 - Humber Scout I 435 - Beaverette (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 209 .303 Bren MG) 436 - Beaverette (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 209 .303 Bren MG) 437 - M-H III 479 - Rolls-Royce A/C ---199 50 cal (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 184 - Staghound AA ---203 Quad 13.2 AAMG (not used) ---204 wz.30 (2) AAMG (Dedicated shipboard AA mount, leave range at 24) https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/344314333988235941 510 - Krakow 511 - Krakow 512 - Warszawa 513 - Warszawa 514 - Warszawa 516 - Torun 517 - Torun 519 - Pinsk 520 - Pinsk 521 - Horodyszcze 522 - Horodyszcze 523 - Horodyszcze 524 - Chodkiewicz 525 - Chodkiewicz 527 - Gen. Sikorski 528 - Gen. Sikorski 533 - Admiral Dickman 534 - Admiral Dickman 535 - Gen. Szeptycki 536 - Sobieski 541 - Wilno 542 - Wilno ---205 7.92 wz.08 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 469 - 7.92 wz.08 AAMG 549 - Taczanka wz.28 (safe to change to 12 or replace with wpn 123 7.92 wz.08 HMG to give 30 range.) 919 - Kanonierka 920 - Jaskolka class ---206 7.92 wz.30 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 548 - Taczanka wz.30 (safe to change to 12 or replace with wpn 231 7.92 wz.30 HMG to give 30 range.) 773 - wz.30 AAMG [2] ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 183 - M16 ---219 7.92 wz.25 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 418 - wz.25 AAMG [2] (picture is a tripod HMG mount) 538 - Kanonierka Z 539 - CKU Nieuchwytny 569 - Wz.29 Ursus (change from AAMG to MG) 705 - PZInz 160 (change from AAMG to MG) ---226 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated shipboard AA mount, leave range at 40) http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR...ional_Pictures 515 - Krakow 525 - Chodkiewicz 527 - Gen. Sikorski 528 - Gen. Sikorski 530 - KU-30 534 - Admiral Dickman 543 - Wilno spob03 Manchukuo ---234 7.7 Type92 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 155 - Type 92 AAMG 242 - Shohatsu 244 - Armed Daihatsu 247 - Daihatsu ---235 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) http://www.ww2incolor.com/japan/weap...kiss132_2.html 124 - Gunboat 158 - 13mm Twin AAMG spob04 Italian Social Republic ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 082 - SMV 38(t) (not an AA gun change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---133 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR...ional_Pictures 295 - Art Marittima 470 - Pattugliatori 471 - Pattugliatori 536 - X-Motosilurante 578 - Art Costiera ---136 13.2mm M31 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 468 - MGCA Breda 13.2 ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 053 - Semovente Wespe (not an AA mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 351 - Semovente IIIg (not an AA gun change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) spob05 Japan ---139 30 cal AAMG (Safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 148 - M3 Stuart ---140 50 cal AAMG (Safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 149 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 336 - M3-Halftrack (Cannot see the mounting) ---141 .303 Bren AAMG (Safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 333 - M-H II (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the TMG) ---234 7.7 Type92 AAMG (safe to change range to 12) 023 - Chiyoda A/C (As this is a one man turret maybe this can be removed leaving the TMG) 024 - Ho-Ha 103 - Ho-Ki 109 - Toyota Su-Ki (Very little on this, it looks to have had no armament) 155 - Type 92 AAMG 242 - Shohatsu 244 - Armed Daihatsu 247 - Daihatsu ---235 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) http://www.ww2incolor.com/japan/weap...kiss132_2.html 124 - Gunboat 158 - 13mm Twin AAMG 241 - Ch-13 class PT ---242 13mm T93 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 126 - Type 4 Ka-Tsu 198 - 13mm Twin AAMG (Typo, Is meant to be single mount I think) spob06 France ---78 7.5mm FM29 AAMG (not used) ---133 50 cal (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 293 - M15A1 AAMC ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 069 - White Scout Car 075 - M3 Stuart (Remove) 076 - M5A1 Stuart (Remove) 088 - M20 Scout (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs) 089 - M3A1 Scout 091 - M3 Halftrack 094 - Jeep 096 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 098 - M20 Scout OP (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs) 132 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 133 - M4 81mm MMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 134 - 60mm Mor H/T (Apparently this vehicle did not exist) 166 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 290 - Scout Jeep 292 - M3-MG Halftrack 318 - M20 Scout (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs) 319 - White Scout Car ---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 084, 087, 088, 098, 229, 292, 294, 295, 318, 339) 049 - M4A2 (Remove) 069 - White Scout Car 070 - M4A2 (Remove) 071 - M4A3 (76) (Remove) 072 - M4A2 (Remove) 073 - M4A2 (Late) (Remove) 074 - M24 Chaffee (Remove) 078 - M4A4 (Remove) 082 - M10 76mm 083 - M10 3 in 084 - M7 Priest (Has ring mount) 087 - M8 Greyhound (Has ring mount) 088 - M20 Scout (Has ring mount) 089 - M3A1 Scout 098 - M20 Scout OP (Has ring mount) 105 - M19 SPAA-Gun (cannot find any evidence this has a 50 cal) 107 - M4A3 (105) (Remove) 134 - 60mm Mor H/T (Apparently this vehicle did not exist) 157 - Hetzer (not an AA gun mount in orig form or change to MG) 158 - Panzer 4 (Remove, unsure if they followed the American AAMG practice, if so change to MG) 160 - M4A3 (76) (Remove) 166 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 227 - Armoured Jeep 229 - 2&1/2 w/AAMG (Has ring mount) 290 - Scout Jeep 292 - M3-MG Halftrack (Has ring mount) 294 - 50 Cal AA (Leave as AAMG) 295 - 50 Cal AA (Leave as AAMG) 298 - Obusier M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 300 - M4 (Remove) 301 - M4A1 (Remove) 302 - M4A3 (Remove) 303 - M4A1 (76) (Remove) 304 - M4A3 (75) (Remove) 318 - M20 Scout (Has ring mount) 319 - White Scout Car 339 - M3 Halftrack (Has ring mount) ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (Safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 172 - Dingo (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG) 305 - M-H II 25mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1) 310 - M-H II ATR 311 - M-H III ATR 314 - Humber Scout I 315 - Humber Scout II 322 - <Humber Scout> ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 086 - M16 SPAA ---225 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 030 - 13.2mm AAMG ---228 13.2mm M31 AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount in both units. At the moment you have it as a single) 203 - Laffly S20T AA 204 - Citroen P19 AA spob07 Great Britain ---115 Quad Besa AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 24) 106 - Mk VI AA 377 - Guy AA Mk.I 388 - Humber AA Mk.I 510 - Motor AS Boat 513 - Patrol Boat 515 - Coast Guard ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for unit 100, 314, 318) 003 - Honey (Remove) 004 - Stuart VI (Remove) 021 - Sherman IIA (Remove) 022 - Sherman V (Remove) 023 - Sherman V (Remove) 024 - Sherman DD (Remove) 025 - VC Firefly (Remove) 026 - Sherman IB (Remove) 050 - Staghound 052 - Halftrack 058 - Buffalo IV 100 - Higgins Boat (Leave as AAMG) 111 - Staghound AOP 117 - VC Firefly (Remove) 131 - Halftrack SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 151 - Centurion Mk.2 (Remove) 154 - Centurion Mk.1 (Remove) 179 - White Scout Car 185 - Honey (Remove) 188 - M3 SP 75mm (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 189 - M3 SP 6 Pdr (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 194 - Sherman V (Remove) 198 - VC Firefly (Remove) 199 - M3 SP 75mm (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 200 - M3 SP 75mm (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 221 - VC Firefly (Remove) 222 - VC Firefly (Remove) 255 - Honey II (Remove) 296 - Honey (Remove) 302 - Sherm Hybrid IC (Remove) 306 - Buffalo IV 306 - Buffalo IV 310 - M3 SP 75mm SPA (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 312 - Halftrack SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 314 - LCA (Leave as AAMG) 318 - LVT-4(F) (Leave as AAMG) 358 - M-H IV 490 - Honey Recce 710 - Buffalo II ---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 046, 057) 040 - Sherman Crab II (Remove) 044 - M10 17 pdr 046 - Priest (Has ring mount) 056 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 057 - DUKW ( (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount)) 058 - Buffalo IV 058 - Buffalo IV 141 - Sherman IIA (Remove) 155 - M10 17 pdr 162 - Halftrack 50cal 187 - M10 3in 223 - M10 17 pdr 269 - M29 Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 305 - King Cobra (Remove) 335 - Chaffee (Remove) 406 - Priest Kangaroo 519 - LRDG Jeep 710 - Buffalo II ---141 50 cal (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 158 - M15A1 163 - Staghound AA ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 167, 361, 362, 549, 508, 511, 512, 514) 031 - Valentine IX (Remove) 043 - Archer (I can find no photographic evidence for an AAMG in this vehicle) 047 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 157 .303 Bren MG) 128 - Wasp 138 - Avenger (Remove) 147 - Valentine IX (Remove) 149 - Dingo AOP (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG) 167 - LCPL (Leave as AAMG) 356 - M-H II (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the CMG) 357 - M-H III (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the T/CMG) 361 - Humber LRC II (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully) 362 - Humber LRC III (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully) 364 - Valentine II (Remove) 365 - Valentine III (Remove) 366 - Valentine IX (Remove) 367 - Valentine IX (Remove) 374 - Valentine X (Remove) 378 - Valentine X (Remove) 380 - Humber Scout I 381 - Humber Scout II 407 - Sherm Kangaroo 508 - Merchant Marine (Leave as AAMG) 511 - Motor Launch (Leave as AAMG) 512 - Harbour Defence (Leave as AAMG) 514 - Insect Class (Replace with wpn 010 20mm Polsten AA) 549 - Otter II (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully) 584 - Bren AAMG 601 - Morris CS9/LAC (MG is mounted in front turret plate, replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG or change to wpn. 157 .303 Bren MG) 603 - Rolls-Royce AC 604 - Morris CS9/LAC 605 - M-H II MG (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the T/CMG) 606 - M-H II ATR 607 - M-H II 2pdr (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1) 608 - M-H II 20mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1) 609 - M-H II 37mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1) 610 - M-H II 47mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1) 633 - Home Guard MG 733 - Tetrarch ICS (Remove) 985 - Churchill SPG (Remove) 986 - Covenanter (Remove) 987 - Covenanter CS (Remove) ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 159 - M16 515 - Coast Guard spob08 Vichy France ---225 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40) 030 - 13.2mm AAMG ---228 13.2mm M31 AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount. At the moment you have it as a single) 203 - Laffly S20T spob09 Polish LWP ---113 Quad Maxim AAMG AA (safe to change range to 12 hexes, pintle mounted has no traverse or elevation gear) 176 - GAZ-AAMG ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 053 - T-3 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 054 - T-38 (75mm) (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---137 7.62mm SG43AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 123 - SG43 AAMG[1] (Picture is ground Mount) 124 - SG43 AAMG[3] (Picture is ground Mount) ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 050 - SdKfz 250/10 051 - SdKfz 251/1 (+) ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 026 - M4A2 (76) (Remove if British origin or leave if an American loan vehicle) ---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 023 - IS-2 m1944 (Ring Mount) 036 - ISU-122 (Ring Mount) 037 - ISU-122s (Ring Mount) 039 - ISU-152 (Ring Mount) 040 - ISU-152 (Ring Mount) 041 - ISU-152 (Ring Mount) 125 - DSzK AAMG[1] 126 - DSzK AAMG[3] 232 - ST Class 233 - MO-D-3 Class 239 - Coastal Steamer ---173 7.62mm DT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 048 - Mk 1 049 - M2 Halftrack ---188 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 046 - M3A1 Scout Car ---191 30 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 046 - M3A1 Scout Car ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 047 - M17 235 - Kormoran class |
Re: Tank machine guns
part 2
spob11 Soviet Union ---115 Quad Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, pintle mounted has no traverse or elevation gear) 039 - GAZ-AAMG 568 - Maxim(x4) AAMG ---116 Maxim (2) AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, pintle mounted has no traverse or elevation gear) 569 - Maxim(x2) AAMG ---117 Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 565 - Maxim AAMG ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 812 - SU-75g (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---137 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 009 - M3L 092 - M3A1 Scout Car 126 - M3A1 Scout Car 313 - M3L 528 - M3L ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 810 - SU-75e (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---139 7.62mm DT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexess, change from AAMG to MG except for units 192, 441, 673, 674) 002 - BT-7 M1937 101 - BT-7M 127 - T-44/100 (Should mount wpn 141 12.7 DShK AAMG) 166 - KV-8s 181 - BT-7 M19357 192 - DT AAMG [1] (Picture is ground Mount) 337 - T-26 M19387 338 - T-26-1 M19397 360 - T-26-1 M19397 441 - DT AAMG [3] (Picture is ground Mount) 535 - Valentine III S (Remove) 555 - BT-7M7 673 - BK1124 Boat (Leave as AAMG) 674 - BK1125 Boat (Leave as AAMG) 845 - BT-7M7 ---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except unit 093) 018 - M4A2 (76) 019 - M4A2 092 - M3A1 Scout Car 093 - DUKW (Can have ring mount leave as AA or remove) 126 - M3A1 Scout Car 300 - M4A2 (Late) 475 - M10 3 in 541 - M4A2 542 - M4A2 ---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 027 - IS-3 036 - ISU-122 038 - ISU-152 043 - M5 Halftrack 073 - ISU-152 091 - ISU-122 191 - DShK AAMG [1] 193 - SU-85 (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG) 194 - SU-85 (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG) 195 - SU-100 (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG) 234 - ISU-122s 304 - ISU-122s 429 - G-5 430 - G-5a 431 - G-5b 432 - G-5c 440 - DShK AAMG [3] 488 - IS-4 547 - IS-2 1944 590 - Gaz DShK AAMG (Change to MG) 648 - SU-101*exp* 649 - SU-102*exp* 652 - SU-85M (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG) 746 - ISU-152 ---142 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 090 - ZSU-M15 ---145 12.7(3) DShK AA (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 133 - GAZ-DShK AAMG-3 ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 314 - Valentine IX (Remove) 344 - Boys Carrier (Change from AAMG to MG) 467 - Bren Carrier (Change from AAMG to MG) ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 089 - ZSU-M17 spob12 USA ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 251, 253, 257, 318) 001 - Combat Car M1 002 - Light Tank M2A4 003 - Light Tank M3 004 - Light Tank M5A1 027 - M20 Scout (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs) 029 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 033 - M3-MG Halftrack 034 - Scout Jeep 067 - 60mm Mor H/T (Apparently this vehicle did not exist) 078 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 100 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 101 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 102 - M4 81mm MMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 109 - Light Tank M5A1 114 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 115 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 133 - M3 Scout Car 199 - T30 75mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 201 - T30 75mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 240 - Light Tank M3A1 241 - Light Tank M3A3 251 - LCA (Leave as AAMG) 253 - LCP(R) (Leave as AAMG) 257 - 30 Cal AAMG (Keep as AAMG) 311 - M3A1 Flame 318 - LVT(A) 1 (Leave as AAMG) 344 - T30 75mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 365 - GPA Amphib Jeep (This vehicle is unarmed) 367 - Jeep 368 - Bantam BRC 369 - Bantam Scout (pictures show this unarmed, 2 MGs is probably too much one or none would be better) 371 - Chevy Car 378 - M3 Scout Car 383 - T1E2 (This had twin 50s (wpn 143 50 cal (2) AAMG) not 3 30s and no rear or side armour, it also as far as I can see saw no service.) 552 - LVT 1 553 - LVT 1 554 - LVT 2 555 - LVT(A) 2 ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 019, 021, 027, 028, poss 031, 032, 033, 081, 170, 191, 227, 228, 250, 255, 345, 381, 385, 386) 005 - Light Tank M24 007 - M4A1 008 - M4A3 009 - M4A3 (76) 010 - M4A3E2 011 - M4 E4-5 Flame 012 - M4 Dozer 013 - M4 Duplex Drive 014 - M4 Flail 015 - M26 Pershing 016 - M10 76mm 017 - M18 GMC Hellcat 018 - M36 GMC Jackson 019 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 020 - M10 3 in 021 - M7 105mm HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 022 - M4A3E2 (76) 026 - M19 Duster (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 027 - M20 Scout (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 028 - M8 Greyhound (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 029 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 030 - M29 Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 031 - DUKW (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount) 032 - M3-Halftrack (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 033 - M3-MG Halftrack (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 052 - T1E3 MineRoller 066 - M29C Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 081 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG) 103 - M4A1 106 - M26 Pershing 119 - M4A3 (76) HVSS 128 - M4A1 (Late) 133 - M3 Scout Car 135 - M4A3 (76) 142 - M4 AOP 170 - 2&1/2 w/AAMG (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 187 - M4A3E2 188 - M4A3 (105) 189 - M4A3 (76) 190 - M4A3 (76) 191 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 203 - M30 Carrier 204 - M36 GMC Jackson 205 - M18 GMC Hellcat 206 - M4A3 (Late) 227 - 50 Cal AAMG (Keep as AAMG) 228 - 50 Cal AAMG (Keep as AAMG) 250 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG) 255 - LCA (Leave as AAMG) 300 - M4A3 301 - M4A3 302 - M4 303 - M4 304 - M4 (Late) 305 - M4 (Late) 306 - M4A1 (76) 307 - M4A1 (76) 308 - M4A3 (76) 309 - M4A3 (76) HVSS 310 - M4A2 312 - M42B3 313 - M45 314 - M4 E4-5 Flame 315 - M4 Crocodile 316 - M4A3 (105) 345 - M7 105mm HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 348 - Armoured Jeep 366 - T25E1 Scout Car 369 - Bantam Scout (pictures show this unarmed, 2 MGs is probably too much one or none would be better) 377 - AA Jeep 378 - M3 Scout Car 381 - M4 HS Tractor (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 385 - M39 (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 386 - M39 (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 446 - M3 Ammo Carrier 552 - LVT 1 (AC) 553 - LVT 1 (AC) 554 - LVT 2 555 - LVT(A) 2 720 - LVT(A) 4 ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 025 - M16 MGMC 118 - Quad 50 Cal AA 140 - Maxson AA Jeep spob13 USMC ---133 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount) 014 - M15 MGMC 250 - PT Boat 251 - PT Boat 376 - AAMG Truck (This is actually 2 single AAMGs side by side in the front of a truck) ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 028, 080) 001 - M2A4 002 - M3 003 - M5A1 016 - LVT 2 017 - LVT 2(A) 017 - LVT 2(A) 019 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 021 - LVT(A) 1 028 - 30 Cal AAMG (Leave as AAMG) 080 - LCP(R) (Leave as AAMG) 097 - M5A1 098 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 100 - M3A1 Flame 104 - White Scout Car 108 - M3 111 - LVT 1 113 - LVT 3 114 - LVT(A) 4b (Remove one 30 cal AAMG two seems to be a post ww2 configuration) 116 - <M3A3 207 - LVT(A) 5 (Remove one 30 cal AAMG two seems to be a post ww2 configuration) 265 - M2A4 266 - M3A1 288 - LVT 2(A) 299 - LVT 1 (AC) 300 - LVT 1 301 - LVT 2 340 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 367 - Jeep 370 - Chevy Car 372 - FO Jeep 378 - LVT 1 FO 379 - LVT(A) 2 FO 382 - LVT(A) 2 FO 423 - LVT(A) 1 ---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units poss 018, 075, 099, 112, 117, 343, 374) 004 - M4A1 005 - M4A3 (75) 006 - M4A2 (Late) 008 - POA-CWS-H5(75) 009 - M4 Flail 010 - M4A2 Dozer 011 - M29 Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 012 - T30 75mm GMC 016 - LVT 2 017 - LVT 2(A) 018 - DUKW (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount) 019 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 020 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 022 - LVT(A) 4 075 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG) 099 - M7 105mm HMC (Keep as AAMG, has a ring mount) 101 - M4A3 (76) HVSS 102 - <M24 Chaffee> 103 - M3 75mm SPM 109 - M4A3 (105) 112 - LCM (Leave as AAMG) 113 - LVT 3 117 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 118 - 50 Cal AAMG 200 - M4A2 (Early) 201 - <M4 (Early) 202 - <M4 (Late) 203 - M4A3 POA-CWS-H1 204 - POA-CWS-H5(105) 205 - M4 E4-5 Flame 206 - LVT 4 Flame 208 - M4 E4-5 Flame 210 - LVT(A) 4 Flame 232 - M3 Ammo Carrier 288 - LVT 2(A) 292 - M4A2 (Late) 293 - M4A2 (Late) 299 - LVT 1 (AC) 301 - LVT 2 341 - T30 75mm GMC 342 - M7 105mm HMC 343 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 366 - T25E1 Scout Car 374 - 2&1/2t w/AAMG (Keep as AAMG, ring mount) 375 - Jeep 379 - LVT(A) 2 FO 382 - LVT(A) 2 FO ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 015 - M16 MGMC 377 - Maxson AA Jeep spob14 Chinese Communists ---138 Type 24 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 018 - Type 24 AAMGs 079 - River Patrol 080 - Motor AA Boat 081 - River Boat ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 029 - 30 Calibre AAMG ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (not used, safe to change range to 12 hexes) ---235 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (As this is a twin mount leave at 40 picture needs updating) 181 - 13mm Twin AAMG spob15 Australia/New Zealand ---115 Quad Besa AAMG (Range stays at 24 this is a dedicated AA mount) 362 - Motor AS Boat 365 - Patrol Boat ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 003 - Honey (Remove) 004 - Stuart VI (Remove) 005 - White Scout Car 012 - Stuart Hybrid (Remove) 024 - Sherman DD (Remove) 025 - VC Firefly (Remove) 026 - Sherman IB (Remove) 043 - Sherm Hybrid IC (Remove) 050 - Staghound 052 - Halftrack 058 - Buffalo IV 111 - Staghound AOP 113 - Jeep AOP 116 - Jeep 117 - VC Firefly (Remove) 131 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 135 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 160 - Lynx (most photos show this vehicle unarmed) 161 - Lynx AOP (most photos show this vehicle unarmed) 332 - White Scout AOP 341 - M3A1 Stuart (Remove) 342 - M3A3 Recce (not a ring mount) ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 046, 053, poss 057, 100) 015 - M4A3 (105) (Remove) 040 - Sherman Crab (Remove) 044 - M10 17 pdr 046 - Priest (Keep as AAMG, has a ring mount) 053 - 50cal Halftrack (Keep as AAMG, has a ring mount) 056 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 057 - DUKW (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount) 100 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG) 155 - M10 3 in ---141 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 158 - M15A1 ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for units 242, 265, 360, 363, 364) 032 - Valentine IX (Remove) 047 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 142 .303 Bren MG) 115 - Ford Dingo (AA shouldbe replaced with wpn 152 .303in Bren BMG, its mounted in the front panel) 149 - Ford Dingo (AA shouldbe replaced with wpn 152 .303in Bren BMG, its mounted in the front panel) 242 - LCA (Leave as AAMG) 265 - Inf AAMG (Leave as AAMG) 289 - Rover LAC (Remove vickers BMG, this vehicle had a loose BREN wich could be mounted on a pintle, Vickers MG is probably a rare field conversion) 290 - Humber Scout 291 - Daimler Dingo (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG) 297 - M-H II MG (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the CMG) 298 - M-H II ATR 299 - M-H II 2pdr (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1) 360 - Merchant Marine (Leave as AAMG) 363 - Motor Launch (Leave as AAMG) 364 - Harbour Defence (Leave as AAMG) ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 159 - M16 spob16 Germany ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except unit 984) 033 - Sturmpanzer IV (Remove, Rarely mounted, should be MG34 a second loose MG34 is carried) 034 - Sturmtiger (Remove not fitted) 040 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 041 - StuG IV (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 050 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 051 - Flammpanzer 38 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 MG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 056 - Jagdtiger (Remove rarely if ever fitted, should be MG34) 057 - PzH 18 Wespe (Should be MG34 loose, rarely mounted) 058 - PzH 18m Hummel (Should be MG34 loose, rarely mounted) 072 - SdKfz 234/1 (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 158 - SdKfz 251/1 Rak 159 - SdKfz 250/7 GrW 160 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount) 164 - SdKfz 251/9 167 - SdKfz 251/16 Fl 202 - SdKfz 251/1 Rak 282 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 283 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 310 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount) 379 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 380 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 381 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 383 - SdKfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 393 - SdKfz 251/9 403 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 MG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 429 - StuG M43 853(i) (Remove, possibly a field mounting where a photograph exists, photo is italian MG) 568 - SdKfz 251/1 569 - SdKfz 251/10 722 - Sturmpanzer IV (Remove, Rarely mounted, should be MG34 a second loose MG34 is carried) 825 - SdKfz 251/9 826 - SdKfz 251/9 827 - SdKfz 251/10 853 - SdKfz 250/1 854 - SdKfz 250/1 857 - SdKfz 250/12 860 - SdKfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 950 - Aufklarer 38t (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 984 - PzKw Panther G (Has ring mount) 996 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 005 7.92mm MG34 BMG or wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except unit 067, 600, 831) 036 - StuH 42 Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 038 - StuG III Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 039 - StuG III F/8 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 043 - LaS 762 044 - Marder II (Sf) 045 - Marder I 37L (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 046 - Marder III H (remove, should have wpn 126 7.92mm MG37 BMG instead) 047 - Marder III M (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 049 - Nashorn 067 - SdKfz 221 068 - SdKfz 222 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 069 - SdKfz 223 (Fu) 074 - SdKfz 234/3 075 - SdKfz 234/4 076 - SdKfz 250/1 077 - SdKfz 251/1 135 - Minenraum IV H (remove, Auf C used wich has no cupola ring to mount AAMG) 157 - Panzerwerfer 42 161 - SdKfz 250/10 162 - SdKfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 163 - SdKfz 251/2 GrW 165 - SdKfz 251/10 166 - SdKfz 250/11 170 - SdKfz 251/22 194 - SdKfz 251/10 200 - Sfl.Sturer Emil (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 218 - SdKfz 251/1 PzB 311 - SdKfz 250/1 385 - Marder III M (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 386 - Marder II (Sf) 390 - SdKfz 222 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 391 - SdKfz 222 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 540 - SdKfz 250/12 544 - SdKfz 250/6 559 - StuG III C / D (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 575 - SdKfz 251/2 GrW 580 - StuH 42 Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 581 - StuH 42 Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 582 - StuH 42 Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 600 - MG34 AAMG (Leave as AAMG) 710 - StuG III Flamm (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 831 - SdKfz 221 (Leave as AAMG) 832 - SdKfz 251/1 PzB 844 - SdKfz 222 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 MG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 852 - StuG III F/8 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 861 - SdKfz 250/10 862 - SdKfz 250/7 GrW 863 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount) 864 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount) 873 - StuG III Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 874 - StuH 42 Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 960 - Marder I 37L (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 961 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 962 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 963 - LaS 762 964 - Marder II (Sf) 965 - Marder III M (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 967 - Marder II (Sf) 970 - Marder I 37L (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 971 - Marder I 37L (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 972 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 973 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed) 980 - Marder III H (remove, should have wpn 126 7.92mm MG37 BMG instead) 983 - Armoured Truck ---148 7.92 MG15 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 594) 418 - MG15 AAMG 594 - Raumboot (Keep as AAMG) |
Re: Tank machine guns
part 3
spob18 India ---115 Quad Besa AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 137 - Motor AS Boat ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 003 - Honey (Remove) 004 - Stuart VI (Remove) 006 - White Scout Car 006 - White Scout Car 024 - Sherman DD (Remove) 026 - Sherman IB (Remove) 050 - Staghound 052 - Halftrack 058 - Buffalo IV 111 - Staghound AOP 131 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 154 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 046 , poss 057, 100, 162) 040 - Sherman Crab II (Remove) 044 - M10 17 pdr 046 - Priest (Leave as AAMG has a ring mount) 056 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 057 - DUKW (Leave as AAMG can have a ring mount) 100 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG) 107 - Sherman Adder 162 - 50cal Halftrack (Leave as AAMG has a ring mount) ---148 .303 VB AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 047 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, create wpn .303 Bren MG) 115 - Daimler Dingo (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG) 125 - Irrawaddy Barge 134 - Irrawaddy Barge 135 - Merchant Marine 138 - Motor Launch 149 - Dingo AOP (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG) 190 - Static AA Gun 235 - Inf AAMG 295 - Humber Scout I 296 - Humber Scout II 411 - Valentine IX (Remove) ---206 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 158 - M15A1 163 - Staghound AA ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 159 - M16 spob19 Bulgaria ---121 MG08 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 151 - Drski Class 152 - Drski Class ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 009 - SO Praga (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 016 - Maybach T-IV (Remove, Panzertracts has one picure of a AAMG on the roof probably a field conversion otherwise no AA mount exists on this vehicle, BMG missing) 287 - Maybach T-IV (Remove, Panzertracts has one picure of a AAMG on the roof probably a field conversion otherwise no AA mount exists on this vehicle, BMG missing) 288 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 014 - StuH 42 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) 046 - Maybach T-IIIg (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) ---145 Schwrzlose AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 220 - Schwarz AAMG (Picture is ground mount) spob20 Yugoslavia ---115 Quad Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, pintle mounted has no traverse or elevation gear) 070 - GAZ-AAMG ---116 15mm AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 153 - 15mm AAMG 252 - Patrol Boat ---117 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 253) 073 - M3A1 Stuart (Remove) 105 - M3A3 Stuart (Remove) 110 - M3 Stuart PaK (Remove Unlikely, seems to be no room) 253 - Patrol Boat (Leave as AAMG) 462 - M3 Scout Car ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 456 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 460 - SdKfz 250/1 461 - SdKfz 251/1 ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 022 - Sherman SPG 023 - Stuart SPG (Remove CMG and BMG, didnt have these) 462 - M3 Scout Car (Change from AAMG to MG) ---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 350 - DShK AAMG spob21 Nationalist China ---138 Type 24 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 018 - Type 24 AAMG 079 - River Patrol 080 - Motor AA Boat 081 - River Boat 082 - Coast Patrol 083 - Coast Patrol ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 003 - M3A3 Stuart 009 - M5A1 Stuart 013 - Jeep 029 - 30 Calibre AAMG 043 - M20 Scout (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs) 066 - M3A3 Stuart AOP 134 - Jeep 268 - White Scout Car 268 - White Scout Car 301 - LVT 2 303 - GMC 105mm SPA (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 307 - GMC 60mm SPM (Apparently this vehicle did not exist) 308 - GMC 81mm SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 310 - M3A3 Scout Tank 312 - M3A1 Scout Car ---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except fro units 011, 042, 043) 011 - GMC Halftrack (Leave as AAMG had a ring mount) 042 - M8 Greyhound (Leave as AAMG had a ring mount) 043 - M20 Scout (Leave as AAMG had a ring mount) 294 - M24 Chaffee 295 - M4A1 Sherman 296 - M4A3 Sherman 298 - M4A4 Sherman 301 - LVT 2 304 - GMC 155mm SPA (Remove, didnt have an AAMG) 305 - GMC 40mm SPAA (Remove 40mm HTs did not have 50 cal AAMGs, picture is T8E1 with 37mm cannon and 2 50 cals.) 311 - Scout Jeep ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 012 - Scout Carrier 051 - <Loyd Carrier (Remove, unarmed) ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 306 - GMC Quad SPAAMG ---235 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (As this is a twin mount leave at 40 picture needs updating) 181 - 13mm Twin AAMG spob27 Belgium ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 007 - Stuart VI (Remove) 009 - Sherman V (Remove) 077 - VC Firefly (Remove) 100 - VC Firefly (Remove) 251 - Sherman V (Remove) 263 - M3/M5 Halftrack ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 101 - Sherman Crab II (Remove) 255 - M10 17 pdr 315 - M36 Jackson ---141 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 116 - Staghound AA ---144 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 053 - M15A1 ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (not used) ---205 7.62 Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 204 - FN AA Tricar (Remove, This is a dedicated AA mount and should have 13.2 Hotchis MGs not 7.62 maxim, didnt see service.) http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...817/FN+Tricars 207 - Maxim AAMG 236 - Colonial AAMG spob28 Netherlands ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 004 - Honey (Remove) 005 - Stuart VI (Remove) 038 - M3A2 Halftrack 047 - Staghound 134 - Staghound 162 - Ford GP MG 196 - Sherm Hybrid IC (Remove) 253 - Ram AOP (Remove) 310 - M3A1 Stuart (Remove) 312 - M3A3 Recce 313 - M3A3 Stuart (Remove) 317 - Ford GP 318 - M3A1 Scout Car 322 - M3A2 Halftrack 327 - Staghound 330 - LVT-4 Amtrac (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for unit 326) 006 - M24 Chaffee (Remove) 198 - M4A3 (105) (Remove) 200 - Sherman Crab (Remove) 202 - Sherman Dozer (Remove) 205 - M10 17 pdr 314 - M4 Sherman (Remove) 315 - M4A3 (105) (Remove) 318 - M3A1 Scout Car 326 - Greyhound (Leave as AAMG had a ring mount) 329 - Canal Truck (Toyota Su-Ki? Very little on this, it looks to have had no armament) 330 - LVT-4 Amtrac (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) ---141 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 010 - Staghound AA ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for units 270, 271, 272, 320) 207 - Ram Kangaroo 209 - Sexton 251 - Bren AOP 254 - KNIL Lloyd AOP (Usully unarmed) 255 - Ford GP AOP 270 - Zee Boat 1.5 (safe to change range to 12 hexes, leave as AAMG) 271 - Zee Boat 2in (safe to change range to 12 hexes, leave as AAMG) 272 - Zee Boat 1.5(2) (safe to change range to 12 hexes, leave as AAMG) 320 - Otter II (safe to change range to 12 hexes, leave as AAMG) ---149 7.9mm M.25 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, leave as AAMG, except for unit 159) 159 - Ford GP MG (Change from AAMG to MG) 264 - Merchant Marine 265 - Zee Boat 1.5 266 - Zee Boat 2in 267 - Zee Boat 1.5(2) 268 - Zee 3in GunShip 275 - M.25 No.1 AAMGs (picture is ground tripod) 328 - Canal Truck (Toyota Su-Ki? Very little on this, it looks to have had no armament) 333 - KNIL Coast Boat 334 - KNILPatrol Ship 336 - KNILPatrol Ship 415 - KNILSupp't Ship ---150 7.5mm (2) AAMG (Probably a dedicated AA mount, Range stays at 40) 257 - KNIL River Boat 258 - Canal Boat 332 - KNIL River Boat spob29 Norway ---139 7.92 Colt AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, except for unit 037) 018 - Colt AAMG 037 - Ford AAMG (The picture looks a dedicated AA mount, Use wpn 139 as is for this unit. leave range at 24) 192 - Trygg Class TB ---141 50 cal (2) AAMG 196 - Fairmile "D" (Probably a dedicated AA mount, Range stays at 40) ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 156 - White Scout Car 157 - Humber Scout 160 - 2 Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 161 - GMC (Quad?) 305 - Humber Scout ---234 6.5 Lewis AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 059 - Trawler spob30 Canada ---115 Quad Besa AAMG (Range stays at 24 this is a dedicated AA mount) 106 - Mk VI AA ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 003 - M3 Stuart Mk. I (Remove) 004 - Stuart Mk. VI (Remove) 005 - Honey Scout (Remove at least one, has 3 AAMG, very unlikely/unworkable) 008 - M3A1Scout Car 013 - Honey II (Remove) 021 - Sherman IIA (Remove) 022 - Sherman V (Remove) 023 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 024 - Sherman DD (Remove) 025 - Sherman V (Remove) 026 - Sherman Ib (Remove) 027 - Sherman V (Remove) 028 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 029 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 031 - Sherman Ib (Remove) 035 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 050 - Staghound 052 - M14 HT 058 - LVT-4 Amtrac (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 111 - Staghound AOP 113 - Jeep AOP 117 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 131 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 134 - M3 75mm GMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 135 - M3 6pdr GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 142 - M3 6pdr GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG) 149 - Lynx AOP (most photos show this vehicle unarmed) 154 - Buffalo IV 160 - Honey Scout (Remove at least one, has 3 AAMG, very unlikely/unworkable) 181 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.) 220 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 221 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 222 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 223 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 224 - Sherman Firefly (Remove) 289 - Buffalo II --140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for unit 046. 057. 066, 100, 195) 005 - Honey Scout 010 - M24 Chaffee (Remove) 030 - M10 3-Inch 040 - Sherman Crab II (Remove) 043 - M10 3-Inch 044 - M10 17-pdr 046 - Priest (Leave as AAMG has a ring mount) 056 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed) 057 - DUKW (Leave as AAMG has a ring mount) 058 - LVT-4 Amtrac (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.) 066 - M14 HT (Leave as AAMG has a ring mount) 100 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG) 141 - Sherman IIA (Remove) 155 - M10 17-pdr 160 - Honey Scout 195 - Priest Kangaroo (Leave as AAMG has a ring mount) 276 - T16 Carrier 289 - Buffalo II 315 - M4 Dozer (Remove) ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for unit 125, 239, 240, 299, 400) 002 - Archer (I can find no photographic evidence for an AAMG in this vehicle) 045 - Bishop (Remove, did not have an AAMG) 047 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, create wpn .303 Bren MG) 053 - Ram Kangaroo 125 - Otter (Leave as AAMG) 128 - Wasp Mk2C (Remove, no room for AAMG or ammo, also unlikely to have had a 2" mortar mounted or loose, again, no room) https://www.google.com.au/search?biw...=1508479852016 161 - Wallaby 239 - LCPL (Leave as AAMG) 240 - LCA (Leave as AAMG) 290 - Humber Scout I 291 - Humber Scout II 296 - Ram Gun Tractor 299 - Humber LRC III (Leave as AAMG) 356 - Valentine VI (Remove) 400 - Merchant Marine (Leave as AAMG) ---ID 206 50 cal (2) AAMGG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount) 012 - M14 MGMC 144 - Staghound AA spob31 Greece ---132 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 061 - MG34 AAMG 149 - ELAN Vessel ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 148 - ELAN Vessel 149 - ELAN Vessel 155 - ELAN Ship ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 006 - Stuart (Remove) 008 - Sherman V (Remove) 377 - M-H IV 390 - Ford Lynx (most photos show this vehicle unarmed) 395 - Halftrack ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 216 - 50 cal AAMG ---144 St.Etienne AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 024 - St.Etienne AAMG 150 - Patrol Boat 152 - ELAN Vessel 154 - Merchant Marine5 186 - Coastal Defence 187 - Coastal Defence 258 - Coastal Defence ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 007 - Valentine IX (Remove) 073 - .303 Bren AAMG 151 - Motor Launch 257 - Coastal Defence 380 - Dingo AOP (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG) 389 - Daimler Dingo (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG) 391 - Ford Otter II ---235 M.30 Breda AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 458 - 8mm Breda AAMG spob32 Spanish Republic ---115 Quad Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes is probably Russian pintle mounted equipment) 271 - Guardacosta ---139 7.62 Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 119 - AmetralladoraAA 269 - Torpedero ---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 270 - Torpedero URSS ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 272 - Defensa Puerto ---149 7.5mm FM29 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 118 - AmetralladoraAA 273 - Lanzamiento 274 - Trnsprt Marina ---190 7.62mm DT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 480 - T-26 M 33aa ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 271 - Guardacosta spob33 Spain ---115 15mm Triple AA (ZB vz/60? I can find no evidence this was ever in a triple mount, if single mount its a pintle mount, so safe to change range to 18 hexes) 554 - Guardacosta ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 005 - StuG IIIg (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12) ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 002 - StuG IIIe Azul (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 004 - StuG IIIf/8 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 006 - Kfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 007 - StuH 42 Azul (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 009 - LaS 762 Azul (Change from AAMG to MG) 010 - Marder II (Sf) (Change from AAMG to MG) 012 - Marder IIIhAzul (remove, should have wpn 126 7.92mm MG37 BMG instead) 013 - Marder IIImAzul (remove, should have wpn 126 7.92mm MG37 BMG instead) 018 - Kfz 250/9 Azul (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) 271 - AmetralladoraAA 282 - Amet AA Azul (picture is not MG34) 577 - SdKfz 250/1 (Change from AAMG to MG) ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 553 - Torpedero ---149 7.5mm FM29 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 270 - AmetralladoraAA 556 - Lanzamiento 557 - Trnsprt Marina ---190 7.62mm DT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 296 - CL de Inf T-26B 299 - CL T-26 (E) ---215 50cal Quad AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, probably dedicated AA mount, cant identify did it exist in 36?) 554 - Guardacosta ---237 Breda M.30 AA (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 444 - CTV Breda 8mmAA spob34 Italy ---133 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount) 295 - Art Marittima 393 - Art Costiera 470 - Pattugliatori 471 - Pattugliatori 536 - X-Motosilurante 573 - Art Costiera 578 - Art Costiera ---136 13.2mm M31 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 468 - MGCA Breda 13.2 ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 351 - Semovente IIIg (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 085 - M5 (Can leave as USA supplied vehicle?) 098 - Jeep 373 - M5 Ricerca 650 - Jeep 651 - Jeep ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 097 and 108) 087 - M4A3 (Can leave as USA supplied vehicle?) 089 - M10 3in 097 - Autoblindo M8 (Leave as AAMG) 108 - Cingolato M3 (Leave as AAMG) 612 - M4 Mine Flail (Can leave as USA supplied vehicle?) 613 - M4 Dozer (Can leave as USA supplied vehicle?) ---150 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount) 090 - Semovente M15A1 spob35 Finland ---115 Quad Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 165 - AAMG Truck (If Russian? has a simple pintle mount) ---139 M/31 VKT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, has simple pintle mounting) 160 - 7.62 M/31 AAMG 259 - Patrol Boat 261 - Torpedo Boat ---140 7.62mm DT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 023 - StuG M40 G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 135 - StuG M40G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 024 - ISU-152 ---144 M/40 VKT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 161 - 7.62 M/40 AAMG ---220 2x8mm M.37 AAMG (can't identify) 262 - Torpedo Boat spob36 Sweden ---119 LVKsp m/36 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 063 - 8mm LvKsp m/36 spob37 Czechoslovakia ---115 15mm Triple AA (ZB vz/60? I can find no evidence this was ever in a triple mount, if single mount its a pintle mount, so safe to change range to 18 hexes) 088 - GAZ-AAMG ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 037 - ST-II ---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 145 - White Scout Car 320 - M5A1 Stuart (leave, supplied by USA?) ---140 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 015 - HKL6p Hakl ---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 023 - ISU-122 025 - ISU-152 spob38 Hungary ---115 15mm Triple AA (ZB vz/60? I can find no evidence this was ever in a triple mount, if single mount then its a pintle mount, so safe to change range to 18 hexes) 108 - Sopron ornaszad 114 - Kecskemet ornsz ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 169 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 005 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 164 - StuG IIIg (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) ---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (Not used) ---212 Schwarzlse AAMG (safe to change range to 15 hexes) 100 - Szeged ornaszad 103 - Gyor ornaszad 106 - Sopron ornaszad 109 - Debrecen ornszd 112 - Kecskemet ornsz 151 - Schwarzls LvGpu 244 - Teherszallito ---215 8mm(2) Gbr AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 101 - Szeged ornaszad 104 - Gyor ornaszad 107 - Sopron ornaszad 110 - Debrecen ornszd 113 - Kecskemet ornsz 115 - AM Aknaszhajo 152 - Gebauer LvGpu 241 - Parancsnki Hajo ---233 8mm 31/34M AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 002 - 39M Csaba (Remove, cant find any evidence of an AAMG on this vehicle) 010 - Vadasz Toldi (probably a loose MG34, not AAMG, change to MG) 018 - 43M Lehel A (Change to MG) spob39 Romania ---116 Quad Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, though it is 4 MGs it is on a simple pintle mounting) 259 - Maxim(x4) AAMG ---130 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 065 - M3 Stuart (Can leave as captured USA vehicle from Russians?) 066 - M3 Stuart (Can leave as captured USA vehicle from Russians?) ---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 075 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 077 - Maresal M-05 (Remove, no evidence or location for AAMG) 127 - SdKfz 251/9 ---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG) 013 - StuG IIIg (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 017 - StuG IIIg (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG) 129 - SdKfz 251/1 130 - SdKfz 250/1 313 - SdKfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable) ---140 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount) 260 - 13.2mm(x2) AAMG 278 - Ardeal 281 - Bratianu Class 283 - Bucovina 284 - Basarabia 285 - Sbourul Class ---148 ZB30 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 289 - Motor Barge ---212 Schwzls(2) AAMG (safe to change range to 15 hexes) 279 - Bucovina 280 - Basarabia spob41 Thailand ---3 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (leave at 24 hexes if this is the Japanese twin 13mm, Japanese unit 158?) 186 - 13mm Twin AAMG 193 - Patrol Ship ---4 2x8mm M30 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 191 - Torpedo Boat 192 - Torpedo Boat ---115 15mm Triple AA (ZB vz/60? I can find no evidence this was ever in a triple mount, if single mount then its a pintle mount, so safe to change range to 18 hexes) 193 - Patrol Ship ---138 7.92 Colt AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 184 - Colt AAMG ---139 30 cal AAMG (not used) ---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (Not used) ---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 190) 190 - CD Boat 237 - Laffly V15T OP 238 - Nissan OP ---149 7.5mm FM29 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 187) 024 - Citroen HT A/C (Remove, cant find any evidence for a AAMG on this vehicle) 187 - Support Ship ---233 13.2mm M31 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes) 191 - Torpedo Boat ---234 7.7 Type92 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 241 - Amphib Truck (Very little on this, it looks to have had no armament, Change to MG) 243 - AA Barge 244 - Landing Barge ---235 M30 Breda AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes) 188 - Protection Ship |
Re: Tank machine guns
Please quit wasting my time and yours with this AAMG / MG range obsession you have.....NONE of this is going to be changed and I'm going to say the same thing that next time you do this
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