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Isto July 18th, 2018 02:19 PM

What type of pbem games you prefer ?
 
What type of battles are you or your group usually playing ?

Are house rules used in your game group ?

Especially interested how other people deal with air sorties and artillery.

Wdll July 18th, 2018 02:28 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
I haven't played PBEM in a few years now.
Usually campaigns with zero cluster, max size map, random air, fast artillery OFF, animation on.
From the above, everything but battle size and air is usually not negotiable by me.

Isto July 18th, 2018 02:43 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
How "random air" works ?

Never played campaigns, care to try one with me ?

Wdll July 18th, 2018 03:09 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Isto (Post 842685)
How "random air" works ?

Never played campaigns, care to try one with me ?

Random air works by having air sorties set as XXX

A PBEM campaign with you? That takes a long time and you do need the CD version of the game. Do you have it?

Isto July 18th, 2018 04:01 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
No but i have been considering to buy it.

zovs66 July 18th, 2018 04:05 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
If your interested in playing PBEM via Campaign's you'll need to purchase the CD, it's well, WELL worth the cost for both games.

Isto July 18th, 2018 04:13 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Dunno, never fancied any of the features but the thought so far have been to support the creators.

zovs66 July 18th, 2018 04:16 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Well you'd need the CD for PBEM CG, Extended Map Editor, Special or added Op Fire settings, Timed Victory Objectives and I am sure I missed a few.

scorpio_rocks July 18th, 2018 05:43 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zovs66 (Post 842696)
Well you'd need the CD for PBEM CG, Extended Map Editor, Special or added Op Fire settings, Timed Victory Objectives and I am sure I missed a few.


Plus better/higher screen resolutions, Tournament play, Extended Scenario and Campaign tools, Encyclopaedia sorting, Formation IDs, Increased Playscreen Info, Improved and larger mini-map, Take Cover!, Increased artillery types, Georgia OoB, Programmed Artillery, NLOS weaponry, Middle mouse "View all", etc.


This is a VERY WORTHWHILE investment!

Aeraaa July 18th, 2018 06:01 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Anything goes but I'd prefer if you don't use trucks as ATGM bait.

Isto July 18th, 2018 06:06 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Whats the point in take cover. Shouldnt infantry always take cover automatically.

Only campaign play and opfire in mbt sounds interesting atm.

I happen to like the army building phase. Building an army and thinking what ur opponent might choose. Tinkering strategies and see how they turn out.

scorpio_rocks July 18th, 2018 07:17 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
From the GG:

"Non-vehicle units with 2 or more MP remaining can now voluntarily take cover to break enemy line of sight at a cost of 2MP by pressing the ‘ C ‘ key. Taking cover especially if close to the enemy is not a guarantee that they will break LOS."

Isto July 19th, 2018 03:48 AM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Dont like that

zovs66 July 19th, 2018 06:23 AM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
You will when your infantry units start getting whacked by MG's or AFV's.

Isto July 19th, 2018 12:30 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Dont like the idea. How can a unit take more cover if its already in the cover or if there is no cover to be had ?

Does that feature put the unit using it unable to shoot that turn exposing it to enemy when it shoots ?

Has it to be done before the unit shoots or can it be done after the unit shoots ?

I have a feeling that feature could make the game worse and it seems irrational. Maybe that is a feature some players might want to rule out as a house rule.

DRG July 19th, 2018 12:40 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Your the only one to think so....

zovs66 July 19th, 2018 12:58 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Don't think it needs to be a house rule, it's not that big of a deal and it makes realistic sense. All crunchies are trained to take cover in the real world.


From the manual:


Quote:

Non-vehicle units with 2 or more MP remaining can now voluntarily take cover to break enemy line of sight at a cost of 2MP by pressing the ‘ C ‘ key. Taking cover especially if close to the enemy is not a guarantee that they will break LOS.

In no way does this small feature make the game 'worse' in fact it makes it more realistic and can help save your infantry if they are getting ripped to sherds in the open.


That combined with popping smoke (inf).

Mobhack July 19th, 2018 01:17 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
That's funny - we were trained to keep upright till the section commander issued the command "Take Cover!" - only then would you do the "dash, down, find cover, observe, return fire" battle drill initiated by the "Take Cover" command issued by him. Taking cover wasn't up to individual soldiers to do on their own initiative (though in reality of course if fire came a wee bit close, he was going to do something about it!;))

The troops may be in terrain cover, but the action of taking cover is entirely separate to their being in say woodland terrain.

Infantry in the game already can take cover (an active action) as a result of taking fire - you will see the "X takes cover" message, and if successful they may break LOS, as well as breaking the chain of fire.

The take cover command is there as a voluntary action in case (or if you are certain) that you have been spotted, the unit then attempts to take cover (or if already down, wiggles to a new fire position, hopefully not spotted).

It has nothing to do with being in cover terrain whatsoever (although it will be easier to go into cover if in covering terrain). And there is no such thing as "no cover to be had" - flat terrain will have lumps and bumps, individual bushes or rocks etc that provide cover. Flat terrain is not a lawnmowered golf course - think of it more as the rough (as found in a Scottish Golf course, not one of those manicured golf courses).

zovs66 July 19th, 2018 02:15 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
In the US I am not sure what the crunchies were exactly taught, we were giving basic commands as move and fire. I was a M1A1 tank driver, and only needed to know the 'basics' of infantryman training. We certainly hit the deck as grunts when we were not in our tanks lol.

Isto July 19th, 2018 02:32 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
I have imagined my steel panther infantry to always approach in cover when enemy precence is known. Sometines those scout teams movin 4mph can pass through enemy lines unnoticed because of that.

Have been imagining that when an infantry is being shot as a suprise it takes cover, maybe there is sergeant yelling "incoming!" or something.

Wdll July 19th, 2018 02:40 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobhack (Post 842715)
That's funny - we were trained to keep upright till the section commander issued the command "Take Cover!" - only then would you do the "dash, down, find cover, observe, return fire" battle drill initiated by the "Take Cover" command issued by him. Taking cover wasn't up to individual soldiers to do on their own initiative (though in reality of course if fire came a wee bit close, he was going to do something about it!;))

The troops may be in terrain cover, but the action of taking cover is entirely separate to their being in say woodland terrain.

Infantry in the game already can take cover (an active action) as a result of taking fire - you will see the "X takes cover" message, and if successful they may break LOS, as well as breaking the chain of fire.

The take cover command is there as a voluntary action in case (or if you are certain) that you have been spotted, the unit then attempts to take cover (or if already down, wiggles to a new fire position, hopefully not spotted).

It has nothing to do with being in cover terrain whatsoever (although it will be easier to go into cover if in covering terrain). And there is no such thing as "no cover to be had" - flat terrain will have lumps and bumps, individual bushes or rocks etc that provide cover. Flat terrain is not a lawnmowered golf course - think of it more as the rough (as found in a Scottish Golf course, not one of those manicured golf courses).

I am glad I was in the navy. :p

zovs66 July 19th, 2018 02:55 PM

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I still can't swim and glad I rode to the front in a big steel box full of 500 gallons of jet fuel and 40 some sabot and heat rounds...wait that does not sound right...lol

DRG July 19th, 2018 03:15 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
The Abrams are a lot safer steel boxes to be in when things go bad than the ones 50 years back.....or a T-72

zovs66 July 19th, 2018 03:23 PM

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Very true.

Aeraaa July 19th, 2018 07:11 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
I can confirm what Mobhack said. In theory, a well-trained rifle squad should take cover or return fire AFTER it is given the appropriate command by the squad leader. Of course in actual combat, things will not be as smooth as in training, but there's were you can separate soldiers based on experience, training quality etc.

And yes Wdll, I also thought that serving in the Navy or Air Force was probably better than the Army. Although that thought comes easier after a river crossing exercise near Evros river. In June. With the mosquitos and the heat of the area. Two months before you get discharged /rant mode off

Isto July 19th, 2018 09:45 PM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Id say it works like that only in theory.

That does not seem very efficient.

Seems more like something that is teached for recruits and well trained squads can work more independently because they know what they do and what they are getting in to.

Or maybe thats the case when operating outside a war zone in a precence of civilians.

In ancient times the orders were important because the formations were large and sometimes attacks were made in unision with hundreds of people.

But back to the topic: do you prefer using more expensive elite infantry or more units with cheaper infantry ?

Imp July 21st, 2018 08:44 AM

Re: What type of pbem games you prefet ?
 
Think of the take cover command as relocate try to break LOS if think you have been spotted. or no you have been as fired on. Of course you have no idea if you were successful till the next turn so it’s use the MP to fire or use them to hopefully break contact.


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