Offmap Artillery Poll
 

Some OOBs do not let you purchase a single off map artillery unit the smallest formation contains 2 off map units.

Due to the size of the battles I normally play I would like the option to buy a single unit so a poll to get peoples views.

I am happy in OOBs that are short on space for the removal of Battalion level off map formations & have a possible suggestion set up like the USMC formations that use company format. (Each unit is separate)
Date 1977 formations 186 & 182 as examples.

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If you do not PBEM then you can build your own.

Unit space is limited in a few OOB's but none have overcrowded formations. So I will make a mental note to look into adding things like that, it's handly for scenario design as well

It WOULD be helpful to know which OOB you think does not breakdown things the way you like and save me guessing

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I'll freely admit to being biased.
OF COURSE I like the USMC set up!

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Wait till the end of the purchasing, then buy the battery that consists of 2 sections/platoons and the second unit will not be purchased, but the first will be if sufficient points are in the bank.

Same as buying a tank platoon of say 5 when insufficient points available for all 5, you will get 4 or less.

Then use any remaining points for bits and bobs and continue to the battle.

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I often buy bunch of formations with single, double, whatever units then buy whatever is expensive and finally a number of lower value units then go back and delete the initial single/double/whatever and buy whatever I actually wanted. If I have to many points and get more units then I wished I rebuy the placeholder and add another low value or three unit at the end. If I don't have enough points I'll delete sufficient low value units at the end till I do. Then delete everything you didn't really want after your new "correct size" formation and continue on.

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Realise I play quite a lot of countries this list is for the 1970s

UK - Medium only - Light, Heavy OK (Applies in WWII also)
These countries min buy is 2 in MBT
US - Germany - Italy - Poland - Yugoslavia - Sweden - Greece
North & South Korea - China - India - Pakistan - Australia
Argentina - Brazil - Syria - Iraq - Egypt - Uganda - South Africa

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Realise you can do this but it can be a pain all I want is one battery for an assault in a campaign or 2 different ones say one with CM one without.
Single Purchase or the doubles set up individually so you can delete one is far simpler.

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..........
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1589641773

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UK has single light & heavy formations but no single medium formation for the FH-70s.

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They do now......
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1589705054

now all you have to do it copy that into the same slot ( unless you PBEM )

I posted the wrong screenshot in post #8. It was supposed to be this one

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I support the measure. I normally use Med. Battery sized units. Partly due to cost of the "Big" stuff early in a campaign.

If I do feel I need a "section" more of artillery due to the situation on the ground, I'll buy it after my "repair" and or "expand core" or "combination of both" cycle in the game by using my left over points.

I've found this to work perfectly well for me. I believe this is what Andy was eluding to as well in his post.

It's a simple way to access where I'm at during one of my long campaigns now running on average of 23 turns, if I feel I need more artillery. Having smaller sized units available will just make the math easier as I'll know the "set cost" in advance.

That is of course, that I'm fully understanding of what's being asked in this thread.

However, as a ground "combined arms" (I don't use much air (Of all types.) ~25% or less of the time.) person, I can see where big arty can be more attractive to some players, especially as the arty overload cost has been removed in the last patch. I can fully appreciate the "pound them into the dirt" thought process there.

That's my "penny" in the jar if you will.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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My understanding is Artillery overload was only removed for scenarios / user campaigns not generated battles or campaigns (generated or long)

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correct

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I see I had a :doh: moment. So I retract that part of the para, however I'll stick to my ..."pound them into the dirt"...part of it. :p

I'm popping in a movie (Watching my Jason Bourne series at one a week.) as I contemplate my 2 hour procedure, getting a crown put in the morning.

Before anyone might think about offering words of encouragement, wince at this thought, with no pain killers ever, except twice (The first one they had to break into 4 pieces as the root wrapped around the jaw bone. I remember being happy to see the shining dental chisel and big hammer in his hands.) when the USN pulled my wisdom teeth (Now you know what happened to me!?!). You volunteer for Sub Duty and they take away your wisdom-teeth.:D

Enjoy your dental nightmares!!!! :eek: That's:sick: :angel

I better stop while I'm behind, thank you both for correcting me.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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So what your saying is there is no wisdom in volunteering for Sub Duty.....:D

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I do what I can to both inform and entertain with glimpses into my world. We are after all humans in the end. ;)

To the "wisdom" issue: 1) Very well done!

2) You have to wonder about a person that volunteers to put themselves inside a "tube" with a nuclear reactor that makes you travel fast underwater, deeper then 800ft. with several hundreds+ of pounds of pressure PSI against the hull (It was always fun to take the "new" guys underway for the first time, tie a string tight across from the Port to Starboard side and watch it "sag" when going deep and see the reactions on their faces. Right up there with sending them to feed the "shaft seals" we'd get most of them every time with that one among others like "dangling" sardines in rough seas and swallowing them whole or chewing them VERY SLOWLY and sticking out your tongue full of sardines, of course that would cause a reaction of another sort.) and do it for months at a time.

Here's what I miss, CINCLANTHOME sending me a "Family Gram" limited to 35 words to include my full name and rate, the smell of fresh baked bread and chocolate chip cookies, pizza night (Sat.) and seeing the most beautiful Sunrises and Sunsets out of the periscope I've seen anywhere in the world, and best of all Homecomings. We still talk about that.

Now there is some wisdom in that! ;)

I digress, and again well done! It put a smile on my face.

Let's get out the vote out here. I'd hate to think only 12 of us represent the community.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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I'm not done yet:D

After they had removed all the "wisdom" in the crew did anyone ever explain WHY ?

There are lots of things that can go wrong with teeth that have nothing to do with them being Wisdom teeth. My dentist has been trying to ( in his words ) "wiggle them out" for 2 decades and I resist if for no other reason than they really don't bother me and ( especially AND....) I have never met anyone who had them removed who ever said " oh yeah they just wiggled them out ....no problem"

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My wisdom teeth were pulled out by two different US Army Captains. They both used extreme prejudice as well as my chest to steady their left knee with extra leverage. Good thing I was in my 20s.

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First Truth-I had no choice in the matter about the "pain killer", after lateraling hiding the needle on me, they gave me a topical whish I thought OK! Then when I turned away for a second there was the "Doc" with needle in hand, I was DOOMED!!!

As it turned out the tooth was in worst shape then we initially thought last Monday. The cavity had penetrated a crack in the filling and was having a well, and you know what's coming, yes it was having a :party: inside there. :doh: 2 hours later we were done we've built a sturdy foundation and we'll cap it in two weeks from today.

And yes the shot "stressed" me out but I didn't :faint: however I hate all needles even the ones I've had in my eyes and behind the ear lobe, you see was so mature for my age at a young 24 (:bs:) that someone decided I needed Glaucoma (I was a USN test case for many years after.) and my Cataracts sooner in life. So I was a partially blind (Left Eye) "navigator" until I retired. But I'm an "Expert" rated shooter by USN standards to this day. What can I say!?! :rolleyes:

Second part ARE YOU KNDING ME!!! I think I would've beat the crap out of them, well, except for the that might be a violation of the UCMJ under "Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline" they cover it all in there. I'd bet there's something in there about Not WIPING YOUR AXX in a proper military manner under Article XYZ! Just a guess on my part of course.

Now to the serous question. I've heard this before, during and after my military career. Based on your Dental health and now a days family history to some extent, the longer you keep them in the more you risk things such as abscess teeth or worse. Also from my last post as happened with my first wisdom teeth pull, the root growing around the jaw bone can have it's own health issues.

Our Corpsmen aboard Subs are very highly trained due to our operational environment. Suhiir can back me up on this, our Corpsmen that volunteer (generally) to be "Field Corpsmen" for the USMC are trained to do minor surgical procedures in the field such as removing an appendicitis and such. Those are the only ones we have onboard Subs once they've received further RADCON Medical training.

As I mentioned above, wisdom teeth are susceptible to becoming abscess, left untreated it will usually become septic in your blood stream. Bottom-line there are to many variables and risks associated with wisdom teeth. Pulling it might not be enough depending on when it's caught. Everyone's pain level is different. I should've been in extreme pain and throwing up everywhere because the pressure in left eye was so extremely high when they found I had Glaucoma.

My pain threshold almost cost me that eye.

Operationally speaking it's one headache (Wisdom Teeth) the Submarine Force refuses to deal with, for something as easy as pulling them out.

I've been Onboard and had Staff duty to where we had to navigate/or coordinate getting a "boat" to the nearest port facility where we could MEDEVAC someone via BSP. Once we almost lost someone to a simple but "advanced" case of appendicitis, that one we did off the AZORES where once stabilized, he was sent to a NAVHOSP we have in Spain, my Marine friend might know where I speak of.
We still keep in touch (And his wife.) now for almost 31 years now among others.

We try to get them off for immediate HUMEVAC's as well for serious issues concerning immediate family health or death situations.
We sometimes will use helos as well.

And there are times, rarely, we've brought people home in a "bag", it hasn't happened on a "boat" I've ever been on, but I know it has during and after my career on other ones. We're a very "tight" community because we asked to do the job, but at those times, you really realize how big the ocean can be especially when you've known someone that came home that way.

And now I need to stop. Have a good night.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Not too proud to say 22 teeth were pulled in 2005, the last 4 removed in 2016. Never felt better since they are all gone! No regrets and no pain since.

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Getting all my remaining ones pulled now all rotten. 5 last thursday the rest to come.

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Gone a bit off topic but have to say apart from when they first came through my wisdoms been my least problematic teeth. No pain no work done.

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Lost a front fang in 1988. The replacement insert cost $500.00. It fell out. Back to the dentist for a replacement. Another $500.00 thank you very much. It fell out again. I gave up.
Avoided dentists like the plague until I had to have a tooth pulled a couple of years ago. I was told to replace the front fang would now cost $6000.00. You can buy a decent car for that money.
The moral of the story is that if you want a comfortable retirement get your children into dental school at any cost.
Forget used car salesmen and real estate agents, compared to dentists they are models of probity and honesty.
Mediaeval robber barons could take lessons from dentists.

Regards, Warwick

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LOL you might be right remember my dentist from 20 odd years ago was taking helicopter lessons & he already owned a light plane.

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Well, staring into people's mouths every day deserves some compensation...

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Yes as "topic drifts" go this one has certainly been an overachiever ...(though it has been both informative and entertaining :))

Sometimes a trip down the rabbit hole can be both

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Dental stories time?

I had one top front tooth broken off shortly before I went into the service and the family dentist just did essential work telling my parents "Let the military fix it for free." A couple years later while aboard ship the dentist was bored and came across my records so called me up and pulled what was left of the tooth and put in a post and cap I have to this day.

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... well that one good news story at least. I just had a filling come out yesterday and I cannot feel where it was using my tongue which means it has to be on the back side of a wisdom tooth which means I'm going to have listen to the the "wiggle it out" speech again. :(

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Don't ya just love it when fillings fall out for no apparent reason?

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Are you telling us you got into a ship DESIGNED to sink?

troopie

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Why yes, I did volunteer for that.

Anyone can be on any kind of craft that floats on the water, what fun is in that!?! :D

Besides the only bad thing is when you realize that you're going to be "diving" one more time then you'll be "surfacing" :eek:, that does set up to be a real bad day :mad: but, the "bright spot" is depending how fast and deep you are, at worst case you'll only have a few minutes at most to ponder the question ;), can my day get any worse!?! :angel (Well hopefully.)

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Never EVER say "can my day get any worse!?!"......never, never NEVER

There is only one sure answer to that after it's been said aloud......You might as well go stand on your roof in a thunderstorm with a steel helmet and a metal rod in your hands

The gods will smite you for your impudence.