New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

I was depressed by the lack of Gold games starting at PBW so I thought I would try to get a new one going and also at the same time make it interestingly different.

If you have SEIV gold and would like to join, goto PBW and check out the open game called "Paranoia!!! (Gold)".

The basic premise is that each empire will be assigned a target empire. The game is over when the first empire is killed. The winner is the empire whose target is the dead empire.

Even if you are a newbie come play. Given the nature of the victory conditions, you can rely on the pro's to help keep you alive.

It could be interesting...

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

Ooo, this does sound interesting. Does everyone know who everyone elses target is? Will they be assigned before the game starts?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ooo, this does sound interesting. Does everyone know who everyone elses target is? Will they be assigned before the game starts?<hr></blockquote>

It is up for debate in the game description and forum whether the everyone knows everyone's target or not. And the targets will be randomly assigned and the info given out as the first turn begins.

Logistically, it will be easier if the target information is available to everyone. But there are ways to make it secret and still available if a player drops and a new player joins...

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bman:
If you have SEIV gold and would like to join, goto PBW and check out the open game called "Paranoia!!! (Gold)".

The basic premise is that each empire will be assigned a target empire. The game is over when the first empire is killed. The winner is the empire whose target is the dead empire.
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But no Computer empire? Keep your Meson BLaster VI handy?

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"But no Computer empire? Keep your Meson BLaster VI handy?"

haha! i guess methane breathers will outrank O2 breathers, who will outrank CO2 breathers, who will outrank Hydrogen, and the poor no-atmosphere bastards are stuck in the foodvats.

of course, by that logic the Meson BLaster would be better than the WMG, but thats okay.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Puke:
"But no Computer empire? Keep your Meson BLaster VI handy?"

haha! i guess methane breathers will outrank O2 breathers, who will outrank CO2 breathers, who will outrank Hydrogen, and the poor no-atmosphere bastards are stuck in the foodvats.

of course, by that logic the Meson BLaster would be better than the WMG, but thats okay.<hr></blockquote>

/me not understand any of these references http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

What's going to determine when an empire is knocked out? Do they have to have a populated colony somewhere?

In the Universe Cup discussion, it was brought up that the game may consider an empire still to exist, even if all it has is a mine hiding somewhere...

PvK

Edit: Oh, and are planet gifts going to be allowed, so if race Z is about to bite it, other players can donate more planets to them?

[ 20 March 2002: Message edited by: PvK ]</p>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bman:


/me not understand any of these references http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif <hr></blockquote>


An old role-playing game called PARANOIA!

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

No permanent alliances?
No full co-operation?
Backstabbing?

I like it.


Askan

PS. What would be even more nasty would be no trades of anything at all. That way if one of the non-targets is about to die your gonna have to come with direct military aide, not hiding a moon somewhere in your vast expanse.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sinapus:



An old role-playing game called PARANOIA!<hr></blockquote>

One of my Favorites.

I LOVE the Computer..

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

If you don't know who your target empire is, and someone else inadvertantly destroys that empire for you, do you win anyhow?

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Personally, I think the victory conditions should be the first empire to be destroyed by it's designated "hunter" empire, not just the first empire to die. Too bad I don't have time to put another game on my schedule, this sounds like fun!

T.A.G. anyone?

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[ 21 March 2002: Message edited by: dumbluck ]</p>

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

You would have to add a rule saying that if you killed off a race that was NOT your target, you die, and the player hunting you wins.

Otherwise, if someone else kills off your prey, there is no way for you to win anymore.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Arak Koba:
If you don't know who your target empire is, and someone else inadvertantly destroys that empire for you, do you win anyhow?<hr></blockquote>


Each player will know their target. What is up for discussion is whether all the *other* players will know everyone else's targets so everyone knows who is after whom. Right now the voting in the game forum is leaning towards keeping this information private.


My thinking was that the game is over once the first empire dies. If someone else kills your target then you win. If you kill your target then you win. The moral of this is do not go around killing all the other empires that stand between you and your target or you will inadvertantly give someone else the win.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by dumbluck:
Personally, I think the victory conditions should be the first empire to be destroyed by it's designated "hunter" empire, not just the first empire to die. Too bad I don't have time to put another game on my schedule, this sounds like fun!
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The problem with this scenario of course is that it degenerates into a normal game: There is no penalty for you killing off non-targets. In fact, the more non-targets you kill, the better your chances of winning.

And also as you assign the targets from the dead empires, you end up with the very likely scenario of someone eventually ending up with themselves as their target. What then?

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by askan:
No permanent alliances?
No full co-operation?
Backstabbing?

I like it.


Askan

PS. What would be even more nasty would be no trades of anything at all. That way if one of the non-targets is about to die your gonna have to come with direct military aide, not hiding a moon somewhere in your vast expanse.<hr></blockquote>

That's a good idea. I haven't made a game in a while. I do not remember if there is an option to turn off ALL TRADING. Or at least trading of planets.

It might require the honor system to enforce.

In any case I will put it to the vote in the game forum whether people want to disallow gifting/trading of planets.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Sinapus:



An old role-playing game called PARANOIA!<hr></blockquote>

Yes, I've heard of the game of course, since that is where I came up with the name for this game. But I've never played it. So I don't know anything about its setting. Somehow I doubt it had Meson BLasters in it though...

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by PvK:
What's going to determine when an empire is knocked out? Do they have to have a populated colony somewhere?

In the Universe Cup discussion, it was brought up that the game may consider an empire still to exist, even if all it has is a mine hiding somewhere...
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Hmmm...I naively thought an empire was marked dead when their ships and planets were destroyed. I suppose we better call it over the turn an empire owns no more colonies so it does not turn into a frustrating hunt for the Last mine. Of course, there is no way to determine this when we cannot see each others scores...Any ideas?

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Edit: Oh, and are planet gifts going to be allowed, so if race Z is about to bite it, other players can donate more planets to them?

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I put it to the vote in the game forum...

[ 21 March 2002: Message edited by: Bman ]</p>

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

I doubt anyone would try to pull a cheesy stunt like saying they were still in the game, even though all they had was some mines and sats laying around. But if you suspect it you can always have someone check it for you.

Geo

[ 21 March 2002: Message edited by: geoschmo ]</p>

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

I just wanted to know what the rule would be for this game. I don't think anyone will lie about having been wiped out, but the definition of being dead could be many different things, especially if trading of planets (or even colony ships with population) is allowed.

It could be any combination of:

You must have population under your control.
You must have population of your original type under your control.
You must have a ship under your control.
You must have a (populated?) colony under your control.

PvK

Re: New GOLD game of paranoia over at PBW
 

This game has been quite fun and interesting.

However we have had a couple of players who were moving and so on and needed to drop out, even though they still have strong positions (I think).

So, we need a couple of replacement players to take over the two uncontrolled empires.

See the game "Paranoia!!! (Gold)" on PBW.

PvK