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Hey everyone, I was just wondering if any of ya'll saw Episode 2 yet? I'm waiting for the crowds to die down before I got, but I thought I'd see at least if it's any good. But I've heard from some that it's really awesome, and from others that it's really cheesy, and gay, and worse the Episode 1, which is pretty bad. But if ya'll seen it let me know if it's cool/bad/ok but don't spoil nothing for me. lo

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[ May 16, 2002, 21:56: Message edited by: atomannj ]

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The acting is a little stiff. Blame Lucas for that. But the action kicks butt. Alot better then Ep1. I'd say between Empire and Jedi. Hey its Star Wars. We never expected oscars for acting. The special effects are amazing. Not to mention Jar Jar dies in a Slarnak Pit!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well that's good to know... At least it's better then EP1.
NOOO!!! NOT JAR JAR!!! lol... He was sorta cool, mostly for the funny stuff he'd say every now and then. But he could still get annoying fast. But anyways, thanks for the info...

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Here in the Outer Rim we won't see the movie until July.

I'd heard a lot of rumors, but nothing about JarJar's death.

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Saw it Last night. Quite enjoyed it.
Must admit that I had "managed" my expectations at the pub first, so that might have something to do with it.

Its much, much better than phantom menance. Nowhere as childish. Not too much interaction from computer generated characters this time (woo woo!)
I think Lucas actually took note of alot of the criticism.

Alot of it was fairly cliche thou, especially the romance stuff which just made me laugh (and I laughed hard). I did find the idea of a cloned army of Maoris to be sufficiently frightening http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif (no problems there bro)

My verdict = http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
Askan

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Andres- Check your local Chinese Connection, I'm sure they've had it on DVD for weeks!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Umm... did you see the same Version of ep2 that I did?

I'd say the movie was a dissapoinment. It did have some really cool parts, but the character of Anikan threatened to ruin the movie at points. The romance seemed forced and rather ridiculous. Plus some of the acting (Anikan and Amidala) was just BAD. I mean to go from Harrison Ford to this... Why? They had so much money why not pay someone good?? Also, with the exception of the Anikan-loves-Amidala theme there didn't seem to much in the way of new music. Certainly nothing like "Duel of the Fates" (although they did play it).

That said, see it anyway for Yoda...

[edit = more ranting]

[ May 17, 2002, 06:44: Message edited by: Spoo ]

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Well, I just got home from seeing it. Local theatre didn't have a midnight show, and the semi-distant theatres were only selling tickets in-person, and they were sold out before I had a chance to get any. I saw a 10PM show tonight, and all I can say is there are no words to describe how F'ing awesome this movie was. I won't rate it compared to other movies yet, I'll have to see it a few more times.

I don't want to ruin things for anyone who hasn't seen it, so I'll just say that it's a fairly fast movie, and when it slows down a bit, it's usually for a shot of Natalie Portman... which, for me, just added to all the other awesome $#!t in the movie. So I have raging teenage hormones, but come on, she's F'ing hot!

I would say that this is a redeeming movie for Mr. Lucas, and he has me hooked for Ep. III now. I will be waiting in line three years from now, a few months early. As long as he doesn't do a repeat of the Ep. I, creating just-for-kids characters and making sure you can't turn anywhere without seeing Star Wars. The thing that quite possibly made the movie was the fact that I only saw the "Forbidden Love" trailer and a few shots that were on the news, and a few facts that a "friend" let slip (he read the book). Without much of an expectation of what was going to happen, I was able to enjoy the movie more.

It also probably helped that for an hour or so before the movie, there were lightsaber duels between a few fans... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I was in third grade when Star Wars was released; I loved the movie from the first frame to the Last. I was not alone and I am glad that even today I am not alone. Star Wars Episode II "Attack of the Clones" was for me a major disappointment even more so than the Phantom Menace had been.

I went into this movie really wanting to like it, but found that I left feeling as if I just watched a Sci-fi channel movie rather than a big screen flick. Ok granted that might be a tad harsh. Let me put it too you this way. I found that I did not care about the characters, the story was oddly predictable with big plot holes and weak acting performances. The movie lacked appeal, depth, zeal, and even scope. I will concede that all though most of the characters were weakly developed and performed, I discovered that I loved Lord Tyrannous and Jango Fett. Those two characters were well acted and were very appealing. Mace Windu was also notable, but only because Samuel Jackson played the part well. Little Bobo Fett was a nice diVersion and I am glad that Lucas wrote him in to this movie. Parts of the movie were enthralling and greatly appealing, but over all, the lack of character development seriously undermined the power and feel of this movie. It should have commanded my attention instead it incensed it. Simply put, I felt the movie, although interesting, was mostly a dissapointment.

The first three movies had something that these Last two have not had, identifiable, likable, believable characters, both good and bad, that were loved and loved to be hated. This latest movie had a great bad guy, but we did not get to really see him in action until the end. That was really disappointing. Lucas should have introduced him early on and kept him coming much as he did with Vader in the first three movies. Another missed opportunity for Lucas. Don't get me wrong, Jango was also a great character and little Bobo too and too see them in this movie was a grand stroke of genius for Lucas, but this small victory is not enough to keep the movie interesting enough.

Why Lucas named the movie "Attack of the Clones" is beyond me when the Clones did not attack the Jedi, but helped them. The movie should have been named "Army of the Republic," or "Slaughter of the Jedi." The eye candy in this movie was first rate even if some of the blue screen SFX were not.

Did any one catch the B5 ship zooms?

When I saw Star Wars it had this Awa WOW feel too it as you knew you had just saw something that had never before been done. Attack of the Clones simply did not. I found that I enjoyed the first movie, Phantom Menace, far more than I did this movie. Granted this movie had some awesome scenes that truly were enjoyable to watch, but it lacked character and class.

Four things I loved about this movie:
1. Jango Fett and all scenes with him.
2. Watto's performance. (Very good job on that one)
3. The light saber duel at the end.
4. Lord Tyrannous (Should have had more of him)

Four things that I found disappointing about this movie:
1. The beginning (Lacked the depth that even Ep 1 had)
2. The lack of character development. (Simply the characters lacked chemistry and appeal.)
3. The lack of a developed story line. (Oh this one I could write a story on.)
4. The Ending (The Last 3 minutes of the movie were very weak at best)

Should Lucas be taken out and shot? No, but he should be taken out and beaten. That was what most of the people who saw the movie with me thought. They felt the movie was a weak, boorish, sub standard B flick with a big budge and not talent.

I know that to get to point C from Point A you must pass through Point B. I just honestly feel that Lucas could have done a far better job with the script than he had. The movie was lacking in character development, passion, acting, and even believable drama. It had a hokey love story with comical one liners that offered some hope but not that much hope. The Beast battle was as entertain to watch as Wrestle Mania, and I loved it. In all honestly I would have to say that from the time Anikin and his love were captured through the point where Tyrannus meets up with Palpatine, the movie was pure Star Wars. Everything prior to and after that was something else entirely.

As I said, I am not alone. I did like many aspects of this movie, and would recommend that you see it and make up your own mind. I like 50% of the movie, and feel that it is worthy of cost of admission. I know why I am disappointed with it, and I can, if asked go into that in greater detail, but why spoil the movie for someone who has not seen it yet. Go see it, and then make up your own mind. After all, any star wars is better than no star wars, even if it means we get this star wars.

Opinions welcome.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, in Euclidean Space. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Though I know I am going to be disappointed, I am going to see Ep2; it just HAS to be done... like chores.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I couldn't put it better myself. I'll add that the scenes with Obi-Wan on the cloning planet were enjoyable.

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OK, I'm bored and forced to be awake for another hour or so, so y'all get to hear my opinions on AotC, which I had the opportunity to watch about eight hours ago. I'm not all that awake, so I may not do a great job filtering spoilers. You Have Been Warned.

First off: I'm going to echo Will's comments about Ms. Portman. Hot hot hot. You don't need raging teen hormones to see that. Hell, my girlfriend noticed. We both think Kirsten Dunst was hotter in Spider-Man, though. YMMV.

Plot: I'm going to climb on my high horse--just for a moment--and ask where all of you who say you saw plot holes saw them. As a writer, I dare say the plot in AotC was pretty tight. There were a couple of loose ends, but we expect that from an ongoing story. Remember--like Lord of the Rings, the story doesn't end here. Prior to this, only A New Hope and Return of the Jedi had solid endings--the former because Lucas couldn't be sure he'd be making the other movies, the latter because, well, it's the end of a story. In the most basic sense, though, guns on the mantelpiece in Act I were fired in Act III (cf. Anton Chekhov).

I know, I know, the plot's all political intrigue wrapped around a love story, and I can hear you saying: "Less politics, less kissing, more ***-kicking." To you I say: Go rewatch The Princess Bride, and remember that politics and kissing are generally necessary to make ***-kicking possible in a story. Often one or the other is a motive for said ***-kicking.

Acting: Meh. What do you expect? Even Harrison Ford was a carpenter when he got the job for the original Star Wars. Ewan McGregor and Christopher Lee do credible jobs, though--and let's face it, Ewan McGregor is filling some pretty big shoes (namely, Sir Alec Guinness, the original Obi-Wan).

Character Development: Perhaps not as great as the original, but it's certainly a helluva lot better than Phantom Menace. I mean... there were actual characters this time around.

Other: Graphics were awesome, but a movie can't really stand on those alone. Sound... eh. John Williams wrote great stuff for Star Wars in 1977, but he seems unable to write anything new for Star Wars; the same ol' themes keep popping up, and though recognizable... still. Toss the onionskin, Johnny.

The action was great, exactly what Star Wars is about. If nothing else, you must see this movie to see Yoda kick some major ***.

OK, there's my overly-analytical five or six cents. Next?

Eric/LL

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I thought the movie was pretty good, definately better then ep. 1. I didn't even think about the clones not attacking. My question is: When Natalie Portman got attacked by the large tiger-like creature was it just me or was it something out of a porn movie. "oh no the monster ripped my shirt off"? Just wondering.

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It went Openning credits...Drag....Action...Drag...Action...love... drag...action...drag...action...love...drag...love ..drag...action...action.drag...drag...love...end.

If you want to make star wars good again get rid of lucas.

After the Empire Strikes Back they have all been rather on the weak side.

My one question is why does the star wars universe not have railings. Man I would be falling all over the place. No railings on landing pads, walkways etc...

When you watch the movie. There is a 2 minute scene where you will be thinking. That is going to be tricky in the video game.

I rate it a 6 out of 10. Spiderman was a better movie ( if you can only see one of them)

I like what S.Jackson said to Lucas for movie 3.

I know I am going to die and i don't want my character dying some cheezie death like boba fett did.

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I've been thinking about some of the criticism for the movie, and I have a theory on why many fans don't like this movie. All of them are going in expecting A New Hope or The Empire Strikes Back. There are multiple references about how things were "better" in some other movie, and I think it's gotten to the point where anything new isn't tolerated.

I believe the same thing happened with fans of SEIII after Aaron released the SEIV demo. They all wanted their right-click menus back. Some complained about the new production model. Playing styles had to be adjusted... "how can we play with only twelve research and twelve intel projects?". They wanted another SEIII, and SEIV was something new.

Just a theory http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nice guess, but in my case wrong.

I will tell you why I am dissapointed by Ep2 when compared to Ep 4 thru 6. Simply put, no character development and way bad acting. Basically put, no Han Solo, or Chewbacca or Bad guy that I loved to hate. Ep 4 thru 6 aside from some bad acting, had good character development from Luke Skywalker thur Darth Vader. Ep 1 had Qui Gon Gin (sp) and that was it. Ep 2 has no one of interest until the middle of the movie. We were introduced to the adult Anikin in an elevator for crying out loud. Oh ya, that really peaked my interest in the character. The only two or three characters that were worth a damn were Jingo Fett, Count Dukoo, Bobo Fett and too some small degree Obi One, the rest were uninspiring at best.

When it came to the story, it lacked detail. Correction, it lacked attention to detail. There is a differance. There may have been a few plot holes, but those could be over looked for now. The attention to detail and uninteresting character development is what turned me off to this movie. It opened like a really bad book, and ended without a climax scene. It just doesn't have the attention to detail that one would expect. Hell Ep1 even had better attion to detail. Its the lack of the small stuff that gets you into trouble with a movie. Weak endings, poor character development, un-interesting beginning, and a lack luster plot that could have been far more than what it had become, easilly spell doom for a movie.

I also hate the fact that we were told Jar Jar dies in this movie, and he ends up living. That is unexcuseable! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[ May 19, 2002, 04:28: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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Saw it friday,tho i like the movie better then ESP 1 ,I will see it again just for the clone battle & the litte green guy fight... NOTE; made me want to go to bathroom, . You guys are right?? there should of been more of chacter identy,like names of master jedi es, etc. I cant remember where, b http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif ut all MASTER jedi es have a unique force ability traight,which shouldve been in movie,Besides that wind push me back . I dont know his name but he has a long neck and can stop a persons heart. Also a lady jedy that can leap like a frog & swing attack .

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Another problem I think is that were waiting ( the older people here) for some of that magic spark to appear. ( You know the one where you just smile at the screen and get sucked right into to movie and say 'yeaaaaaaaaaaaa') and it is not there.

The backgrounds are amazing. I just wish that attention to detail was included in the foreground.

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I'm going to see it in about an hour. I have no expectations except to see some big spaceships...that is all I hope for. I have never expected Star Wars to be any more than that.

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And the sound of the ships is fantastic. Especially when they enter planet atmosphere.

You will like the sound that the mines make.

Notice how I do not give away anything about the story

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I would be interested to hear along with people's opinions of whether or not they liked Episode 2 (and 1 for that matter) how old they are and whether or not they saw the original when it hit the big screen 20 years ago.

I have a theory, and it may be wrong, that the new movies are not so bad, even in comparison to the originals. They only suffer by comparison because our expectations are so higher. When Star Wars hit in 77, nothing even close had ever been seen by anyone. I think that seeing Star Wars for the first time in 1977 was probably the closest our generation could come to the way the people first seeing movies in the early part of the century. It was that much of a step above what else was out there.

We were so blown away that we overlooked a lot of it's faults. I can remember even as a ten year old thinking Luke was a major whiner, but Han Solo was very cool. There's your awesome character development. Luke didn't really become more than a cardboard cutout till late in the Empire Strikes Back IMHO. So Annikan is right on pace, no?

And was Jar Jar Binks really any more annoying than C-3PO in the original? It's called comic relief. They are supposed to be annoying aren't they?

I think a lot of older people were expecting that same "blown away" feeling this time around. The problem is the state of the art is so much better now, because of Star Wars in large part, that that just isn't possible.

For those of you that are younger and saw Star Wars later, maybe even after movies like Aliens or other more recent sci-fi flicks, what did you think of Eps1 and 2 compared to the originals?

Geoschmo

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"I would be interested to hear along with people's opinions of whether or not they liked Episode 2 (and 1 for that matter) how old they are and whether or not they saw the original when it hit the big screen 20 years ago."

I haven't seen the Star Wars movies *period*, besides Ep.1. I disliked that. I've seen bits and pieces of the others, and wasn't hugely impressed with them either.

Phoenix-D

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taking the plunge in about two hours. if any SF locals are on this board, and you see a skinny hair-farmer with 3 day scruff and biker leather at the AMC Van-Ness, thats me. make a rude gesture or something.

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The one thing I look for in a movie is character development. I remember seeing Star Wars for the first time and thinking that Luke Skywalker was a cry baby and Leia was just a bad actress, but Vader, and Grand Moff Tarkin, now those guys were something. Bad acting aside, I found that I cared about the characters in the movie. From the lowly rebel soldiers who valiantly died to defend the doomed transport to the Captain who's neck make a funny cracking noise that at the age of 9 I did not fully understand. We were introduced to C3PO and R2D2 very cleverly, as well as a mysterious lady in white. Then came these really cool looking guys in white metal uniforms followed by a bad guy that you just could not believe unless you seen him with your own eyes. Man this bad guy, Darth Vader, was one cool, I mean evil dude.

The story gets better, we meet Owen and Auntie B, and they too were good actors. Then Obi One, Alec Guinness played the part in such a way that you instantly loved the character. Then we meet Han and Chewy. Sure Harrison was a tad bad in the first movie, but by Empire he had his second wind and was off and running with the part in a way that you couldn't help but love. Even Carry Fisher's acting by the second movie had improved. Marks, well what can any of us say, he was still a whiner.

The point is, Star Wars gave us some very strong characters that you quickly identified with and understood. It was easy to get involved and care about them and feel what they felt. Bad acting aside, the characters alone carried the movie. The SFX were icing on the cake, the cat's meow, and the whisky in the chilly. A good story, great characters, and awesome "Oh my god that was soooo cool!" Special Effects made Star Wars Star Wars

The same formula worked well in ESB and ROTJ. Although by Jedi the story line had decayed a tad, ok a lot, but it was still our favorite characters doing the deed, fighting the bad guys, the cool bad guys with the really neat ships.

Ep1 was from the start, a movie that should have been made without Jar Jar. However, he had a purpose, what exactly I do not know, but he had one. Qui-Gon Jinn played by Liam Neeson (sp) was the only character in the movie aside from Anikins mother that really drew my interest. The movie had a lot to offer, if you were 9. The one thing that Star Wars had that Ep1 and 2 did not was all age appeal. I remember my dad and mom watching the movie and saying that they had never seen a movie like it and that it was very enjoyable to watch.

My dad and mom did not say that about Ep1 and have no interest in seeing Ep2. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

When you boil it down, Star Wars is not a spiritual journey but simply a movie series written by a man who at first had a truly visionary concept, but now, 20 + years later and counting, has gone blind by commercialism and profit margins.

Don't get me wrong, I think Lucas is a man of great talent, who should realize that his vision has become far more than what he can invision; should pass the reins onto a new generation, and for the love of god, allow someone else to write Ep3.

I feel that EP2 was poorly told. I honestly believe that it could have been told far better if someone would have been brave enough to stand up to Lucas and say: "George this isn't going to work." But alas, no one did, and now we have a movie that I am embarrassed to take my 5-year-old nephews to see.

I also strongly disliked the violence that was committed against the fake animals of the movie. I do not believe that was Star Wars, and I whole heatedly feel that it was a tad over kill, no pun intended, both for this movie, and for it's PG rating. (It was good action, but sad nonetheless.)

[ May 20, 2002, 22:14: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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well, now i can say ive seen it. i do agree with Atrocities about Lucas losing vision and the story falling apart ever since Jedi, but i thought this film was pleasing, overall. I find myself compelled to watch the creation of the empire and the fall of the jedi knights. i hated ep1, but i am now looking forward to 3. I found the largest faults in 2 with c3po.. just awful.

but overall, it was good. im not one to nitpick about Ratings, and i dont mind that they killed animals. i guess im just not very sensitive to those kinds of things, but i dont see killing animals as any worse than killing people, and we have been killing people since we had people to kill when we first crawled out of the ocean.

ah well. all that aside, i wasnt spiritually moved. i was entertained though, and it was nice to look at.

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Puke, I agree with you - I wasn't really looking for a revelation in this movie (unlike what I was with Fellowship of the Ring http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) and although I could see the flaws, I thought it was a very pleasant way to spend a couple of hours at the weekend that didn't involve DIY, household chores or mowing the lawn

However, Jango is Da Man

BTW, I am going to be in Novato for a couple of days next week going up to Santa Rosa. Anywhere near you?

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I agree with Atrocties. The caracter development sucked. Lucas is loosing his touch, I wish he would let someone elso do it.

What I did like in the movie was Yoda. That was wicked cool to see his kick some @$$. That and the special effects, they were quite good.

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Welp, I finally got to see EP2 Last night. I thought it was a huge upstep from EP1. More then 10 times better. Development of the charactors wasn't the best I agree but it was still alot better then in EP1. For instance - the relationshop between Annikan and Obi-Wan was pretty good. The way they would pick on each other was pretty good.

But - I do not agree that Lucas shouldn't write EP3. I think if someone else starts writing the next movie now, it will screw up everything. Cause they won't see EXACTLY where Lucas is wanting to go with it in EP3 to lead up to EP4, 5, and 6. So I think Lucas should write EP3 but take suggestions on how he can make it better from the crew. But again, someone else writing now would mean disaster for the series.

Yoda... Well there's hardly any words to discribe him... Other then he's the cool person around. Enjoyed him, I did. I'm finding myself talking like him now. The friends that I went with all started talking like him just for the fun of it and now I'm doing it all the time. But he kicked some serious @$$ and I'm gratful for that. One of my friends that went is like only 5'3 or something like that. (Whereas I'm 6'5) and I told him after movie "See, little guys can still kick some arse!" lol. He just laughed at that.

Senater Padme. OH MY GOD! That's all I got to say about her. She's freakin hott guys. Much better wardrobe in EP2 then EP1. Which I'm super grateful for that. *cough cough* I'll go see it again just for her. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

But in conclusion - Bad charactor develpment but the action made up for it. Lucas shouldn't have someone else write EP3. Yoda is awesome. And Padme, well she's hott and that's about it. Really cool too. lol. But there's my two cents since I've finally got to see it. I'll probably go again sometime, or just wait till it comes on video and watch it then. But all in all it was a good movie and I'm now looking forward to EP3. Thank you all and have a good day.

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Don't forget the Spoiler Space, gang...half of the stuff I read I would NOT have wanted to know about if I didn't already just see the movie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'm inclined to agree with Geoschmo and Will. As Star Wars, my friends agreed that it was disappointing, but I'm really beginning to wonder if they're just forever seeking the 'gee whiz!' effect of the first movie(s).

As a stand-alone movie, I feel that it was more decent than as 'two of a series'...I was entertained and got my matinee money's worth. It had the scenes that were promised in the trailers, scope AND scale, and scenes that made me go 'wow'. I agree that character development was at an all-time low, but I don't have the expectations that some people did. It was leagues better than the first one, especially in utilizing CGI to enhance and further the story versus for the the sake of using it. Plot holes aside, their biggest crime might simply be putting too much activity into too little time. The movie was decent length, about 2:22 or so, but character development could have progressed given additional time, at the risk of making the movie 'slow'. Although I question Hayden Christensen's acting ability, I'm not sure much could be done with the lines he was given.

All in all, I'd probably see it again for some key scenes alone. For a movie that tries to deal with some adult issues while maintaining a 'PG' rating, it's all right.

As a side note for mention of Empire Strikes Back, which I also feel was still the best of the series: rumor has it that one of the reasons that it turned out that way was because of director Irvin Kershner...one of the only people who wasn't a yes-man to Lucas. http://www.salon.com/ent/col/srag/19...ner/index.html

zen

::edit:: I made a link! woohoo!

[ May 20, 2002, 17:08: Message edited by: zenbudo ]

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I would hope that Lucas will release a directors cut. Perhaps then we can see the movie he wanted us too see.

I held no expectations going into this movie. Coming out of it I was glad for that.

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i did some thinking about what was really different from 4-5-6 to 1-2. there are lots of minor things that can be nit-picked, but what gets me is the scope of the films.

in 4-5-6 the characters are part of a larger rebellion, or part of a larger empire. you know that there are imperial govenors about, and that there are politics elsewhere that are important. each of the characters are playing a role in a bigger picture. the rebellion has lots of things going on that the main characters depend on.

in 1 and 2, the main characters have done everything. there is a larger government, but it is appearant that the government would not function without the handfull of characters in the foreground. its like we are watching a bunch of christ figures on whom the fate of the galaxy depends, and without whom the average people would just stumble arround and bump into walls.

if the main chrarcters did not exist in jedi, there would have been another rebel commando team and another xwing squadron to do the job. it just happens that the characters we were following became the heros of the day. in 1 and 2, it seems like there would be no plot, that the world its self would crumble into an unrecognizeable heap of ineptitude without the main characters. just look at how the senate reacts to the speach just before the endgame action starts.

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ok 32. Saw the first one in 77 at a drive in.

it was ok. maybe even a 7 out of 10.

The second one was fantastic. Character development... good story etc....

The third one sucked.

And then the new ones.

THe first one sucked and the second one had zero character development.

At least a little ship did not fly into a big ship and blow it up.

Cannot wait to see that in the third one.

I would like Lucas's movies alot more if I Akira Kurosawa did not make movies. The Star Wars series could have been so much more if Lucas didn't stick to the hollywood Version of Kurosawa's story telling.

Not enough darkness.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Im about 45 minutes south of San Francisco, and Novato is about the same distance north of it. I'll be happy to meet you in the city for a pint if you have some free time while your're in the area.

[ May 21, 2002, 05:29: Message edited by: Puke ]

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I liked it. Sure some parts were boring and others had cheesy dialogue but it was still quite entertaining. I like the way the story is developing and even though I know what is going to happen, it's still interesting to learn the specifics. I'm not even a big Star Wars fan (more Star Trek really) but I think it's much better than the Episode I and I can't wait to the next one. The sounds and effects were incredible (esp. Corsucant!) and I only wish I could see it as intended in its digital form.

Oh yeah, the most important part...the ships were great - esp. the proto-star destroyers!!!

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Question to any other Lukes out there:

How often do you get people telling you "Use the Force." and "Luke, I am your Father."?

After all these years, almost every new person I meet will say either one within a few hours...

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After I've FINALLY seen the movie I have these things to say, to particular group of people:

To everyone:
Yoda. Best. Jedi. Ever.

To Star Wars Geeks (and I mean the "Select" few):
It's a movie. It's fake. Get over it. And tell me the logic of this. You first fell in love with Star wars and you still see it. You've taken time out of your daily life, pay 12.50 to see it, wait in line, wait some more and you CRITISIZE IT?!

(Sorry. I need to get this off my chest after 3 obese star wars fanatics kept nitpicking and defacing the movie and kicking my seat for the whole duration of the movie... No offense.)

And to whoever may be offended:
I'm sorry.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">most people i know with any measure of wit about them avoid saying it, because they are fully aware of how stupid it will make them sound. everyone else (i try to associate with witty wiseasses, but there are lots of witless masses out there) only gets the remark off once, after which they are usually shamed by a condecending frown.

its amazing how you can make someone feel utterly (and often appropriatly) without worth, without saying a single word. its not that i MIND starwars jokes, or even that i MIND people making fun of me. my nicknames PUKE for godsakes. I suppose that i just feel slighted when someone thinks that they deserve to insult me without putting any THOUGHT into it. I mean, look at the banter in the Phong's Head Cantina. GT and THG put some EFFORT into their daily smack-talk. Thats all i ask for, just a little effort. at least ask if my Schwartz is as long as yours, or if ive kissed my sister lately.

often people will ask if i ever hear starwars jokes about my name which, as far as i can tell, is my cue to deliver a stupid look and my best deadpan 'no.'

since im a young-un (1978, for those who didnt scroll through the entire 'how old are you' thread) the occasional genius asks if my PARENTS were starwars fans.. good god. i never know wither to look condesending or just plain disgusted at their ignorance on that one. When I can muster an answer instead of laughing at them, i try to tell them that 'no, they were infact fans of fictional literature about hay-soos, the guy the romans nailed to a tree'

so to sum it up, no Kwok, i think youre alone.

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Oh yes...I remember the classic "Luke the Puke" too...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Forgive me the trolling an nitpicking: I'm fairly sure that you want to remove the "rt" from Schwartz and replace it with an "n" if size does matter. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ May 22, 2002, 10:53: Message edited by: [K126]Mephisto ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Forgive me the trolling an nitpicking: I'm fairly sure that you want to remove the "rt" from Schwartz and replace it with an "n" if size does matter. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
[QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As Tesco indicated, Schwartz is from spaceballs (i hate it when my Schwartz gets tangled!) and sister kissing is from the beginning of Empire Strikes Back. actually i think they made a joke about that in spaceballs, too.

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Ups, I definitely should watch more movies in English but they are just hard to come by if not on DVD. the again, the "n" would really give you the opportunity to have a size comparison where "Schwartz" would not get you anywhere over here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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stunted speaking in sentances I not.

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Classic Space Balls

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I'm 19. I loved the original trilogy.
I thought Ep.1 was ok. It introduced the characters but could have done so much better.
I LOVED Ep.2, despite the cheesy love scenes (the only problem I had with the movie). I saw it twice the day it opened (10:30 and 5:15)

I think the biggest problem with the new movies isn't that Lucas has lost his vision, or sold out, or has screwed up the characters, it's that he writes crappy screenplays. I have the Art of Ep.2 book with the screenplay in the back, and the dialogue is HORRIBLE. I went back and watched Empire Strikes Back a few days ago, and I think the biggest difference is the dialogue and the direction. Lucas has brilliant ideas about imagery and immersing people in his universe, he just needs others to make the _people_ in that universe interesting.

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"they were infact fans of fictional literature about hay-soos, the guy the romans nailed to a tree"

Was this comment worth the time to write? Cause you sure didn't impress me with this remark.

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--insert obligatory spoiler warning here--

First off, let me say that there are very few movies I like. Most films I've seen suck to varying degrees. So please don't flame me, just ignore me. But I feel I have to get this movie off my chest.

Lucas has one thing going for him, that's his mechanical imagination. Either he or his group of creative wizards are able to invent the most terrific looking, and physically believable space craft and weaponry. Simply stated, they're beautiful.

That being said, I can now unequivically state that this filmed smelled worse than a large turkey farm at two-thirty on an August afternoon in Texas.

The acting was so, so, so so bad I caught myself breathing extremely deep heavy sighs after most of the lines. After I saw the preview, I thought "Oh No! Blue Lagoon in Space". Instead, I got some dork( who had the be the absolutely worst casting choice to play who really needs to be the deepest character in the who series, Darth Vader - aka 'Annie') drooling all over a cute chick with a nice navel, perfect hair and overly red lips, as the two pretend to be torn up in some forbidden love between them that no one can believe and....-oh nevermind-

The ensemble of Jedi were equally as brilliantly stupid, hanging around impotently like a bunch of space wussies while the Dark Side is busy doing their home work, preparing for the inevitable battle between good and evil (they deserve to win!). The snobs finally get off their cans and go rescue Annie and Obi and Ms. Belly Buttons right before they become lunch for some pretty cool looking monsters ( who should have finished the film for us!). Whilst they are being surrounded by the hoards of fighting robots, they are all to quick to make some really stupid, corney remarks about the situation.

-- As an asside, Lucus dishonors the 'good' Star Wars Films when he has ol' Annie say "I've got a bad feeling about this". --

Yoda was the best actor, mainly because he is a cute, green muppet with grammar issues. The battle scene at the end with him and Lord Sarumon was the only 90 seconds of the film really worth watching.

I know its Star Wars, but come on.., an enthralling and intense adventure story is one where your characters face life and death decisions and some how find a way to survive with some level of believability. This gives a film credibility. This film had none. The Jedi in one scene would have supernatural powers, and in the next could not see the noses on their faces. The Tummy Queen gets her back slashed by an enlarged, rabid cat-thing, experiences a head on collision in a land speeder that she is driving with no seat belt, is shot at a thousand times at close range, and finally falls out of a high speed space-ship chase at a fairly 'low' altitude in the course of fifteen minutes, and some guy comes up to her while she's on the ground moaning, says "Are you alright?" and she springs up with perfect hair and makeup and says "yes!" And runs off as if there's a bikini sale at "Just Add Water". (this was one of the lowest moments of the film)

I will try to restrain from ranting about Annie's little cat nap after his arm flies off and then he stands up and looks around like nothing happened.....

One could second guess almost every event in the film, and they threw so much foreshadowing into it began to bore.

And what was with the Sound of Music part when Mistress Abs is running through the fields about to burst into song?...Man, talk about a bad photographic idea.

And please...Jar Jar. Come on, why did Lucas have to make this 'mistake' again. I know they toned him down some what and told him to shut up and just collect his SAG-scale pay, but the mere sight of him is loathesome to Star Wars fans. At least now some of the hate for Jar-Jar is validated because he was the one to nominate the Evil Emperor to his all powerful post....and why does Master Yoda surrender his Clone Army to the Emperor I'll never know.....

Ok, so now we have five of these movies down, and one more to go. Unfortunately, Lucas now has locked himself into a very predictable story for Episode III, leaving no surprises:

-Mrs. Sexy-Stomach has twins from her not so secret marriage with Annie (Lea and Luke).
-Luke is somehow deemed worthless, so he is sent to live on that silly desert planet with Annie's 'step brother', while Lea lives the good life with her midsection-exposed mother.
-Annie gets his face burned real bad in some fight, probably with Obi-Wan, and catches Athsma.
-Little Bobba grows up to be big Bobba and runs around hating Jedi.
-Kermit/Yoda go off and lives in the woods somewhere
-ObiWan lives in a cave much like Mullah Omar is doing now, keeping a close eye on 'young Skywalker'.
- Jar-Jar makes his third film appearance, and still is not killed off. And yes, Lucas will make it a speaking role...
- The Death Star plans that Dracula posseses end up in Lea's hands, and Darth Pop's chases her.

Someday, I'll tell you what I really think of this film.

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The only thing that Lucas will go on with in Ep 3 is how Amidala dies, Jedi dies, everybody who opposes palpatine dies, Dooku dies, and somehow shows some kind of hope from all of it.

Will be interesting to see http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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http://www.northeastsprinkler.com/so...sw-triumph.wmv

very very fun... or is it very very sad

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Gotta love O'Brian.
Boy, the real hitter was when spock showed up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif