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I know it's off topic, but could someone help me with a little HTML problem? (No, I'm not coding raw HTML, I'm using Word 2002!) I'm doing a graphical overhaul of my website (it is SOOO bland!) and what I want is a picture that links to another page. I've got that, the problem is when I move the mouse over the picture-link, the cursor doesn't change to the pointy-hand cursor - it just stays an arrow. Does anyone know what I can do to change this? There is SE4 stuff on my site, by the way, so it's not COMPLETELY off-topic! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Ed,

Show me the code, and then a link where I can see the problem.

I suspect (based on the limited info) that you have not placed the <A href="http://www.####.com"> </a> tags in the correct place. They need to bracket the image source tag that you are using.

An outline of it would look like:

<A HREF="BLAH"> <IMG SRC="BLAH" BORDER="0"> </a>

That should give you the requested link "hand".

If that doesnt work, I will need to see the code. Send it to me if you like and I will look at it at home tonight.

email Trajan@rbectel.co.uk

Cheers!
Trajan

[ September 03, 2002, 21:55: Message edited by: Trajan ]

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Oh, that's OK, I don't really want to mess with the HTML... I don't know anything about that yet! I was just hoping there was some easy way of fixing this! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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You do not want to use Word to make webpages. For somebody not wanting to learn HTML because it "might be hard", I can understand something like FrontPage or Dreamweaver. But Word just sucks. You would honestly have an easier time learning the 20 or so basic HTML tags/attributes.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes that is correct. I personally am a web-page designer. I would never ever in a million years use Word to make a page. When I first started out doing web-pages I started with Frontpage, and I wouldn't even recommend that one now. I hate using it, but that's MHO. I use Dreamweaver. It's a really nice program. Easy to use and code in.

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Ragnarok,

How do you keep Dreamweaver from messing with your code structure and inserting unecessary tags (font div etc...) all over the place?

I prefer using Adobe GoLive as it integrates with the rest of the Adobe products so very nicely. The Allaire Homepage editor is also very nice. In a collaborative development environment, the snippets that Homepage makes available are very useful.

Anyhow...all web developers have their favorite products. Thought, I think everyone would use notepad before they ever used word or frontpage again.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Trajan

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From personal experiance, I've learned anyone that's paid for a website made in a WYSIWYG editor, well...

They got ripped off.

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"How do you keep Dreamweaver from messing with your code structure and inserting unecessary tags (font div etc...) all over the place?

I prefer using Adobe GoLive as it integrates with the rest of the Adobe products so very nicely. The Allaire Homepage editor is also very nice. In a collaborative development environment, the snippets that Homepage makes available are very useful."

Simple, I code 90% of it myself. If i don't code one of the tags myself and I let dreamweaver do it, and I don't like one of the tags in there and I view as uneccessary I just simply take it out myself and either leave it out or insert a more usefull tag that could be used to replace it. You mentioned the Div tag. This is becoming more usefull as HTML moves on. I don't use it however for font tags. But I do use it for centering objects on the screen or centering them in a table or layer. I use the &lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;/div&gt; tag to center it all up. I used to use the &lt;center&gt;&lt;/center&gt; tags but they are slowly becoming out of date IMO. I've seen that tag not work in some newer browsers although I cannot remember which one at this moment.

"From personal experiance, I've learned anyone that's paid for a website made in a WYSIWYG editor, well...

They got ripped off. "

Yes, this could be true. But... that's why I don't use that feature of a editor. The WYSIWYG editors can be bad if you only use the WYS part of it. That's why - like I mentioned to Trajan - I code 90% by hand. That way I have more control over what's going on in the page and so forth. Only problem I have with making pages is designed graphics. I stink at them. So most of the time I find a graphics designer that I can hire or something like that...but that's another time, story and another thread.

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I agree with coding 90% of it yourself. The editors (all of them with a few being less offensive than others) tend to put in a lot of garbage that web pages simply do not need.

The WYSIWYG editors are good for locating a particular line or cell of a page, where I can then go in and alter the code to fit my needs. Using the editors to help you develop pages is nice, but using them to do all the developement is a very idea.

Notepad may very well be the best editor of them all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Cheers!
Trajan

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notepad is great, but it lacks some key features I enjoy in a program called textpad ( www.textpad.com ).

I design 95% of all my sites via textpad. Anything beyond that code that is stuff I spend time cleaning out garbage from and formatting it right.

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I teach fellow eye surgeons webpage construction and design. I highly reccomend Homesite 4.01 or 5.

It's a hard-coders friend and only puts in what you want it to. Textpad 4 is okay but is more difficult for occasional Users.

Stay away from WYSINWYG (what you see is never what you get) editors like FrontPage. FP is notorious for putting in spaghetti code that's well-nigh impossible to come back and edit.

Dreamweaver is much better than FP and even has a button to click on to clean out FP's 'garbage cose'. But it's expensive. Homesite is a former Allaire product that has been bundled with DW for ages. MM just purchased Allaire.

There's a freebie HTML editor similar to HS called (I believe) FP2000 (or similar). Check on Tucows.

Don't let the thought of making a webpage in a 'normal' HTML editor scare you off. Once you master the principles and using a 'real' HTML editor, it's not that hard.

I'll be happy to answer email requests for help here (as long as there's not so many as to swamp the boat).

[ September 05, 2002, 16:56: Message edited by: Elowan ]

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"MM just purchased Allaire"???

What would Malfador want with a web software company? More importantly, how could they afford one? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Do you mean they purchased their software?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Funny man! I meant MacroMedia. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Notepad? Textpad? REAL programmers use vi to create webpages (mainly because real programmers use UNIX http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ).

Seriously, one of my coworkers does ALL his coding in vi, not just HTML stuff; he's been coding for more years than I've been alive...

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I come from a strong html and Unix background and I saw Dreamweaver all the way.

It does a nice job of making compliant code and has a ton of features that make the most mundane tasks quick and simple. I would highly recommened it. Of course I would say learn html first and code that way before you start witha commercial product.

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Bah! You have to learn binary and script in that! Machine language!
(Yeah right)

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I'll put in another vote for HomeSite. I have to code my stuff by hand--can't stand WYSIWYG editors--but Notepad (or, gods forbid, vi) don't have the usefulness of color-coding which simply makes it easier to figure out what's going on with your code.

This is especially important for what I do, which is a lot of PHP coding. I find that when I'm forced to use Notepad for some reason, distinguishing the PHP from the HTML code becomes tedious. Thankfully, I'm moving toward using templates, which should make even that a bit easier.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WHOO-HOO! I did some Assembly language programming in college, but I managed to avoid binary & machine language (benefits of being EE instead of CompSci or CompEng http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

And now back to your regularly scheduled topic...