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Gosh, I liked Shogun - Total War and did that a couple of times.. but this Mediaval - Total War is brilliant.. easier to understand and much better (and easier) to control, and as for the sieges...

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant

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What, other games besides SEIV? Nonsense.

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No, I am sorry. I am brave enough to publicly state that yes, there are other games out there and yes, some of them are really jolly good..

IMHO, SEIVG is "the" 4X style space exploration and combat game without a doubt. Mediaval-Total War is superb on the old real time strategy lark, World Cup 98 is THE best game to play with your chums at 2.30 in the morning after the nightclub and Predator & Alien is a laugh as well (especially if you turn all the lights out, wop up the volume and play on your own, in the dark, oh, and lock the cats out because one of them jumping on you when playing this game is a surefire way to lose control of your bladder)

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I took advantage of the recent PBW downtime to get back to Sid Meier's Alien Crossfire, which was my favorite game until SE IV displaced it.

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I'm with you, Tigga! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That too is My runner-up.....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with that statement. There are other games out there deserving to be played. I'm waiting for Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 and the expansion pack for Civilization 3. I loved Alpha Centauri and it's expansion pack. I might have to dig that one out and play it again. But I hardly have time to play SEIVG, let alone any other game plus get on the internet.

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I like AC, but I was rather put down by absurd tech tree. They all sound like absolute nonsense to me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Otherwise, AC is IMHO the best Civ-type game.

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Oh, man, one of my all time faves is Silent Hunter. There is nothing like coordinating a 6 torp spread on 3 ships and trying to time it so that all hit within seconds of each other.

Or running up silent on a cruiser that looks suspiciously lacking of escort destroyers, hitting it with four torps, half of which are duds, and finding out that it is escorted by seven destroyers which just happened to be trailing the cruiser by 5000 yards. Oh ****. With realistic reload times switched on, the ensuing battle can take two hours.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well some of it makes sense such as all of the Doctrines.

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[K126]Mephisto, good to see your dulcet scribing again, I was beginning to wonder where my favourite sauerkraut clad bratwurst munching Teutonic chum, had got to..

I had a beautiful moment Last night, one of those moments that warm the cockles of your heart.. I am playing the Byzantines and a lone light cavalry regiment was caught in the open by an invading Turkish army.. the sight of massed ranks of Camel Cavalry, Horse Archers and Kwararizm cavalry charging out of the dunes was just so beautiful, I (almost) forgot to order my cavalry to run like hell..

still, the kataphraktoi gave them Turks a right juicy scrumping and no mistake

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Shogun is one of my top 3 wargames, only SE4 is ahead of it, Medival is just as good but one of the things I don't like about it, is that you have a time limit in turns. Once you hit the Last yr, game over, In shogun you play until you win or lose, would like to see similiar thing in Medival

my 2 cents

just some ideas mac

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well, you can have TOO MUCH of a good thing you know!!

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Mahlzeit! I'm still around, Tigga, just not posting that much anymore. To many other things... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

What I like so much about the battles in Medieval is this feeling of epic. You can see every man on the field doing his thing. Not 1 men representing 5 in reality or such. What I would really like to see is a American Civil War game with this engine. Must be impressive to see whole regiments firing at each other.

[ September 27, 2002, 09:23: Message edited by: [K126]Mephisto ]

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Hi Mephisto, In regardst to civil war engine based on Medivial, this was discussed extensivly a long time back on the Shogun Forum after it came out. Shogun ande Medival are both excellent tactical combat engines. I agree, a Civil War game base on this type of combat system would be most excellent (especially since I'm a Civil War buff) I vote YES .....

Good to see ya still around, drop in at the cantina for a drink, Currently the "Taz" is buying all night http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

just some ideas Mac

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Personally, I would like to see a Napoleonic Version using the total war engine - REAL epic battles bashing the Prussians...

Mephisto, try playing Poland, epic battles over wide open plains with stacks of cavalry, oh lord, I need a lie down!!

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I give Europe a bashing with the Turks at the moment. Since the "glorious achievements" system is broken at the moment I will wait for the next patch with starting a new game.

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wadd'ya mean the glorious achievements button is broken?? mine seems to be working fine but then I am not really concentrating on much other than giving the Turks a damn good kicking whilst playing the Egyptians...

Lordy, I really dont like horse archers (when you havn't got any fast cavalry to chase the buggers down)

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The GA-System is not awarding all the points you should get, only for the homeland.

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oh, so you mean we should concentrate on the "conquer the globe in a crimson tide of rape and mass slauighter" option then

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MTW is about all I've been playing recently. It's great, and highly MODDABLE!

HOWEVER, Pvk just posted Proportions 2.5, lol!
Now I have to play that too!

Hmm, ... perhaps two computers, side by side ...
ROF! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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OT: what if you were like playing a fat TCP/IP game and had like 3 friends over and they each had a screen linked into a main server runnign the SE4 game and the turns yet each could make changes to the empire as ithappened. like a command cneter?

i love fleet command, a little slow at times though, which also goes for pharoah which is a fun game that could use a little balancing.

I liked ground control until it deleted all my saved games.

But Civ-Net/Civ2 are my ultimate Favorites behind SE4 (i played them from like 3rd or 4th grade on till middleschoool)

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Be carefull of the unistall program for this game. I it wiped my game directory.

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Has anyone been able to access the MTW official forums in the Last 6 days? They moved and everything was OK for a bit and now...pooof! I keep getting "This page cannot be displayed". Between MTW and SEIVG I dont get much else done :-/

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They have a technical problem. Should be resolved tomorrow or so...

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Who cares, I am not going to uninstall this game..

Now playing the Byzantine Empire in the early period on a hard setting, rolling up the Turks in Rhum and Edessa is just too joyful to behold, especially when I realise that my army is led by a prince who has "coward" and "adulter" amongst his attributes......

Oh the joys of sweeping the Turks into oblivion with a mercenary army, what fun

The pope is next

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How does this game compare with Europa Universalis? They sound rather similar? Also, would anyone mind posting the minimum hardware specs including required HD space? I would look it up myself, but I'm a bit busy at work... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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The one thing I do dislike about this game, is the Time Restriction, I think they should have made that an option. Shogun was more fun as you fight until you or they die, This one has only 300 turns.

Yes similiar to EU, and yet different, Medevil is more fun to play except for the time restrictions

just some ideas mac

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Mac, whilst I agree with you in principal, personally I am only on 1105 and am still beating up the Turks (having allied myself with all my other neighbours and having married every spare princess going).... it may be that the 300 turn limit just encourages aggressive play..

one thing I am slightly concerned about, the rulebook says you should not marry your princesses to your princes, now obviously I can see the genetic drawbacks of this (not to mention the moral issues) but curiousity leads me to wonder what happens IF YOU DO try and marry one of your princesses to one of your princes? has any sick weirdo tried to do this yet?

PS Shogun was fun but the multitude of units in MTW is just brilliant... gives a real feel to the game (especially if it is your Kataphractoi regiment that is trampling the turkisk infantry under foot)

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GT, in regards to the weddings of your prince and princes, I have not done that yet, however, I would think it would have some type of religious repercussions against the offending country both internally and externally, especially depending on what religion your country etc are, could cause riots, rebellion, excomunication, and who knows what all, probably not a good idea unless you just want to see what would happen....but then again... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anyone? I was thinking of buying it at lunch, but I already own EUII. If I knew why it was better, then I could buy it without a second thought. As it stands, it sounds like more of the same...

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sachmo. its worth it to buy at least in my opinion, if youj've played Shogun and liked it you'll enjoy Medevil. You get to fight your battles tactically on the battlefield, mano to mano, army to army, nothing like seeing 100 knights charging a square or seiging a castle with seige engines. You win if you win the battle, so its up to you on the battlefield. This is what makes it fun to play.

In EU battles are fought by computer, in Medevil you fight your own on the actual battle field with actual amount of troops.

This is my opinion Only
maybe play a demo if you can find one on the site

just some ideas mac

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anyone? I was thinking of buying it at lunch, but I already own EUII. If I knew why it was better, then I could buy it without a second thought. As it stands, it sounds like more of the same...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sachmo,

The two games aren't really comparable. The Total War series is really a 3-d, realtime, grand tactical battle game - with a strategic layer built on top, there just to generate more battles for you to fight.

Now Medieval, the latest in the series, is a lot more interesting strategically then Shogun was. It's got some fun new elements like having to keep your Royal Family alive and generating heirs, dealing with different religions (Crusades and Jihads etc). But the diplomacy is incredibly crude, the economics ditto - and who cares? The game's about fighting lots of battles, then finding ways to build better troops so you can fight more battles. The huge variety of troop types and the different terrain types stop it from getting repetative (so this time I've got to fight my entire army across one bridge? And he's got how many archers?)

Do you like the idea of fighting medieval-era battles in 3-d and realtime? If not, don't buy Medieval.

Mark

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Thanks for the input guys. From the descriptions, and from one game story I was reading, it sounded a lot like EU, but now I know that it's mostly a RTS. Thanks!

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Good old Tigga, always want to explore where no one would dare to go... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
It will give you the trait "Incest", which has a huge malus for your piety (and maybe some other areas, can't remember).

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Mephisto, thanks for that but I could point out (only if I was being difficult you realise) that you must have tried this option for you to know what happens if you do it!!

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Sex in wargames, what next ??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Next they'll be putting in LH look a likes..... and I'll never stop playing the game.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I have just had one of those beautiful moments that make playing wargames worthwhile.

Kiev is one of my provinces and is garrisoned by 3 units of Trebizond archers, 1 unit of Byzantine infantry, 1 unit of naptha throwers, 1 unit of Kataphraktoi (under Prince Andronicus, the adulterer and coward) and 1 unit of Alan cavalry.

The sneaky wretch of the King of Hungary (who is a right aggressive toe rag I can tell you) invades with a very large force indeed (about 850 men).

The battlefield is a river with 2 bridges, my infantry blocks one, the cavalry rides over the other. Mr Hungary sends his cavalry over the bridge to be slaughtered by my archers and under the swords of my infantry. The cavalry blocks each other and it is such a pleasant sight to watch the rain of arrows decimating him (I play with unlimited ammo). Having lost the bulk of his cavalry, Il Duce of Hungary sends in his infantry who frankly gets slaughtered by the arrow storm before it even reaches my troops.. in disarray, he cant do much as my katapraktoi hit him from behind and roll up what is left of his forces, he flees and the alans just run him down..

total loss to me 14 men. Total loss to him 798.

Marvellous (and this is on the hard setting)

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Hmmm...the "official" MTW board is still down. Rumor on an old board is that it was hacked.

If they can get a few bugs out and get the AI to play a better strategic game this one is going to be an all-time classic.The blend of a turn-based strategic level and the variable-speed continuous time tactical level is a delight. Has anyone found any historical battles for the game posted around the net?

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Sachmo, go to www.Totalwar.com at bottom of page is Medevil War Demo download

just some ideas mac

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank, Mac, I may do that. However, I am really not a fan of RTS at all, and I'm getting the impression that this is what I would find with M:TW. I'll probably stick with EU, then.

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Sachmo, I think if you download the demo you'll like it, its not all rts, battles yes, but you can stop/pause, its worth a look....

I'm not a real fan of RTS, however, Shogun and Medevil are different and enjoyable compared to most

I have both EU and EUII, like them both, but Medevil takes that style game up a notch, someday if your ever on trillian in the se4 chat maybe we can hash over EU & EUII, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

mac

[ October 23, 2002, 18:03: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

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Of course not. I can read forums were people like, well, you know, have tried it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I wrote the webmaster of the MTW website about the forum access problem. He replied that the forums were down and that they would be back up "soon". He also told me to direct all questions to the forum, not the webmaster....

Also, I own EUI, EUII and MTW. MTW wins, hands down, though its AI may not play the strategic game as well as EUII does. I do NOT generally like RTS. However, in MTW the battles are the only things that are RTS. The speed is totally controllable, even pausable. And orders can be given during pauses as well as while the battle is moving.

Don't get me wrong, EUII is a great game. I still play it, too, but for a different "twist."

[ October 24, 2002, 14:49: Message edited by: solops ]

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The MTW forums are back up!

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Finally!

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I hope they make a hellenic age total war... That would rock. I could play as Athens and put that upstart Roman Empire back in it's place. Hmmph.

-Paladin

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Talking about Greeks, would prefer to see the "Peloponnesian war" scenario.
I really love the book of Tucidides (although he was unable to finish the history of the war, and the reader would be forced to read the Xenophon's "Hellenica" to see the end).

About Medieval, this game rocks!!!
I think is near to be the Mid Age, perfect game. In my humble view, lack something in the diplomacy field, but at the end, is an amazing game.

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Well, obviously I'd have to pimp-smack those punk Spartans in order to still be around to fight the Romans, so the peloponnesian war would logically be part of a Hellenic age game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

-Paladin