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Your Favorite/worse weapon poll
If this has been done before, I apoligizea, however, I thought it would be interesting to see what each member of the forum likes/dislikes as far as SE4 weapons. This also includes se4 mods. Please list your favorite weapon and the weapon you feel is the most useless in SE4 and SE4 mods. If weapon/s if from a mod, pls stipulate which one.
1. Your favorite weapon and why 2. Most useless weapon and why just some ideas mac [ October 09, 2002, 15:28: Message edited by: mac5732 ] |
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Favorite Weapon: My Mind
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Favorite Weapon: Seeker Parasite. I love the sound they make. Other races fire missiles from their ships, organic races give birth to their weapon -- and they're born angry.
Least Favorite: DUC. Yes, I know they're better than other weapons early on, yes, yes, yes more damage for less research, better start early on, more advantage, blah , blah, blah. Hey, I just think they're dull. Seriously, I usually play on medium tech just so my sci fi space ships in my sci fi game can have sci fi weapons. |
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1a) Helix Cannon (P&N/Imagemod) for the animation.
1b) Organic Armor for smashing great fun. Honorable Mention) The "Sci-Fi Canon" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif 2) Ripper Beams. (Too short ranged, require high propulsion tech to open, and end up being out-powered by APBs anyways.) |
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Fave: Boarding parties, (free ships! free tech!) If they don't count as a weapon then Null Space. I just love turning heavily shielded, heavily armoured ships into tins of soup on the first hit=-) With some rapid fire backup weapons, NS rocks=-)
Least liked: Graviton Hellbore. Cool name, but not much good for anything as far as I can tell (except in the Cantina, anyway.) |
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Most favorite weapon: Phased polaron beam, low research and good punch even late in the game.
Least favorite weapon: Ripper beam, see comment SJ. |
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(Current) Most Favorite: WMG - nothing like watching enemy ships explode after one hit.
Least Favorite: the engine-killing seeker. Seems pointless when compared to the direct fire Version. |
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Hmmm... I may have to change my favorite.
Planetoid Core mount Planetary Napalm (P&N): Dropping Battleship sized (800kt) bombs for 25,000 damage! |
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Favourite: Shard Cannons, combined with the high energy magnifier. Take out the shields and watch as the components are destroyed, love that armor skipping ability.
Least: Ripper Beam, or WMG. The gravitational hell born beats it hands down |
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1. Subverter. Yay! free ships.
2. tachyon beam. Range is way too short and they don't do enough damage to weapons to make them as useful as the engine-damaging ion beam. |
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1a. WMG, love the high damage. Don't like the reload time (3).
1b. Telekenetic(sp) Projector(sp) awesome weapon with only a 1 for reload time. 1c. My stratagy, nothing like kicking butt with my play style. 2. Ripper Beam, never have liked them. |
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Favorite: Wave Motion Gun. It's long, It's Direct Fire, It damages well. It's reload time is a bit dislikable, but attach it with 2 PPB or APBs.
Also, it reminds me of the Massive Beam cannons in Freespace and Freespace 2. Least: Tachyon Gun. I thought it was the weapon of the future when I first got this game. Then I found it doesn't do anything... |
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I like DUC and PPB, least liked ... hmmm .. I agree ripper beams were pretty bad. I modded them as attached. I didn't think they rotted so bad after. I haven't really played at all or reviewed the mounts since the recent patch. Prolly screwed alot up. Oh well, for what it's worth some of you might find these interesting. I kinda looked at them as the ultimate space melee weapons. If you have the balls, armor, and ability to get in close and start hammering, well, you'll hammer.
Name := Ripper Beam I Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 21 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 100 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 50 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 5 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 1 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 1 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 5 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := ripbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Ripper Beam II Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 21 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 100 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 75 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 6 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 2 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 2 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 60 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 5 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := ripbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Ripper Beam III Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 21 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 100 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 100 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 7 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 3 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 3 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 90 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 5 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := ripbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Ripper Beam IV Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 21 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 100 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 125 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 8 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 4 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 4 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 120 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 5 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := ripbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Small Ripper Beam I Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 21 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 20 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 20 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 2 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 4 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 3 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 5 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := ripbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Small Ripper Beam II Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 21 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 20 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 25 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 2 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 4 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 4 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 5 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := ripbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Incinerator Beam I Description := Medium range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 22 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 100 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 150 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 10 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 1 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 5 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 120 90 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 2 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 6 Weapon Modifier := 10 Weapon Sound := incnbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Incinerator Beam II Description := Medium range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 22 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 100 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 200 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 15 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 2 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 6 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 150 120 90 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 2 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 6 Weapon Modifier := 10 Weapon Sound := incnbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Incinerator Beam III Description := Medium range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 22 Tonnage Space Taken := 25 Tonnage Structure := 25 Cost Minerals := 100 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 300 Vehicle Type := Ship\Base\Sat\WeapPlat\Drone Supply Amount Used := 20 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2009 Roman Numeral := 3 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 1 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 7 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets Weapon Damage At Rng := 180 150 120 90 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 2 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 6 Weapon Modifier := 10 Weapon Sound := incnbeam.wav Weapon Family := 9 Name := Small Incinerator Beam I Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 143 Tonnage Space Taken := 3 Tonnage Structure := 3 Cost Minerals := 20 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 30 Vehicle Type := Ftr\Trp Supply Amount Used := 2 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2504 Roman Numeral := 1 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 2 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 5 Tech Area Req 2 := Smaller Weapons Tech Level Req 2 := 1 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets\Ftr\Sat\Drone Weapon Damage At Rng := 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 6 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := incn_s.wav Weapon Family := 104 Name := Small Incinerator Beam II Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 143 Tonnage Space Taken := 3 Tonnage Structure := 3 Cost Minerals := 20 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 40 Vehicle Type := Ftr\Trp Supply Amount Used := 4 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2504 Roman Numeral := 2 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 2 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 6 Tech Area Req 2 := Smaller Weapons Tech Level Req 2 := 2 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets\Ftr\Sat\Drone Weapon Damage At Rng := 15 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 6 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := incn_s.wav Weapon Family := 104 Name := Small Incinerator Beam III Description := Short range high intensity fusion beam. Pic Num := 143 Tonnage Space Taken := 3 Tonnage Structure := 3 Cost Minerals := 50 Cost Organics := 0 Cost Radioactives := 60 Vehicle Type := Ftr\Trp Supply Amount Used := 5 Restrictions := None General Group := Weapons Family := 2504 Roman Numeral := 3 Custom Group := 0 Number of Tech Req := 2 Tech Area Req 1 := High-Energy Discharge Weapons Tech Level Req 1 := 7 Tech Area Req 2 := Smaller Weapons Tech Level Req 2 := 3 Number of Abilities := 0 Weapon Type := Direct Fire Weapon Target := Ships\Planets\Ftr\Sat\Drone Weapon Damage At Rng := 20 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Weapon Damage Type := Normal Weapon Reload Rate := 1 Weapon Display Type := Beam Weapon Display := 6 Weapon Modifier := 0 Weapon Sound := incn_s.wav Weapon Family := 104 |
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Re: ripper beams "Too short ranged, require high propulsion tech to open, and end up being out-powered by APBs anyways.)"
They *aren't* out-powered by APBs actually. On a per weapon basis yes, but remember they're 10kt smaller. 3 ripper beams fit in the same space as 2 APBs, and do 150 vs 130 damage. Not a lot more, but some. I really like sticking Ripper Beams on weapons platforms though. Look ma, 250 damage a turn out to range 9! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And with a +80% to-hit, as well..ships just don't have the same range-enhancing mount; even an APB equipped ship will have to close to range 8..and be really, really outgunned at that range. They will be doing 225 per weapon, I'll be doing 250 and my guns are smaller. Same thing works well for bases and to a lesser extent sats. EDIT: oh, and in the Gravitron Hellbore vs WMG argument, remember that the WMG doesn't drop damage and has a +30% to-hit. Phoenix-D [ October 10, 2002, 00:34: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ] |
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Favorite weapon: Crystal Shard. Just love the gun.
Least Liked: PPB. Tell me whatever you want, i hate this gun. As for Ripper,Incentrator and WMG, actually it makes sense to put them on large mounts on ground surface. Also ripper should not be understimated as unexpected fleet of cruisers armed to teeth with rippers, tractors and shield depleters can be awfully deadly. |
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I use DUCs first and then switch to PPB. I'll add shield depleters when phased shields appear.
Usually by then the game is pretty much decided. I am either losing and can't afford to change, or I'm winning and don't need to change much. So I might not get the chance to research the APBs. The PPB is an expensive weapon. So for units like SATs I might use smaller and cheaper Meson BLasters and Ripper Beams. A large SAT mount adds 4 range. A medium SAT can hold large mount Shield depleters, Ripper Beams, and armor. Quite a bit of bang for the Buck. The PPB is so damn expensive and the higher level ones don't do much more damage. I will sometimes use the lower levels. Especiaaly for build time critical Weapon plateforms. I guess the Tachyon cannon is the worst. |
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This realy depends on what I'm fighting.
Favorites For heavy armor:Null Space For heavy sheild:Sheild Destroyer Thingy For raw damage:Ripper Beam For when I want to be a pain:Allegiance Subverter For when I need to stall:Mental Flayler Least Favorite: Point defense (who needs it?) |
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And races that use them such as the Jreanar, Krill, Norak, and Toltoyan. Krill and Toltoyan Missle DNs are especially dangerous since they carry Plasma missles, which are faster than normal missles. I've probably lost about 50 ships against them in combat because of insufficient Point Defense. |
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I do not understand why is everyone here so much against the Tachyon gun. It is expensive alright but if you have a good resource base and can aford a couple of these on LCs or so the game will get much more interesting. Remember that the smallest components usualy get hurt, meaning that the weapon takes out PDCs quite easy because they got no mounts to defend themselves.
Theoretically this weapon can be considered a counter to most other weapons because it simply disables them. If only it had slightly better damage it would be one of my Favorites. Untill then, i'll stick with energy dampener. EDIT: Forgot to add that once i researched this weapon rather easy as a cheap research and put a couple to support my missile fleet. Given i had a few shield depleters the results were amazing. Later on i used SD/APB/TAC weapon combo with maximum range. Whenever the enemy came too close he could no longer fire http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This weapon is useful, especialy given the surprise element [ October 10, 2002, 02:55: Message edited by: Taera ] |
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Favs: seeking parasite (fastest reloading missiles) and PPB.
Least use: Massive shield depleater/disperser. Just hate to think that I could miss with that and then all the space it takes is wasted http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif |
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I play Proportions mod only, so my list
is for that mod: Favorite : Torpedos. PvK made them usefull and I simply like the sound they made. Uuooghhh... Uuooghh... or something http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Shield-skipping Graviton Hellbore in Prop2.5 is my second favorite. Useless: Direct-fire Organic weapons. PvK left them as in normal SE and with all those changes to other weapons Organic' are very weak. Seeking Parasite is the only worthy organic weapon now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif PPB are almost useless too - research cost is very high. |
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In regards to the Ripper Beam, what if it could be used on Med or Large Fighters? This could make them more deadly up close and increase the worth of using them as well as increasing the worth of fighters later in the game with a better in close weapon.
Just some ideas Mac |
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Early PPB are only about as worthless as they were in Space Empires III, which is good because they skip normal shields, so normal shields are a more viable defense option. Meanwhile, if you stick it out, the later PPB are still as good as in SE4 (though more expensive), so they are still a good late-research weapon. PvK |
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Favorite weapon: Phased Polaron Beam. Excellent damage at a decent range for a low research cost - and it's shield piercing too!
Least favorite weapon: Wormhole Beam. So let me get this straight, you have to research level 4 Physics, and all you get is this stupid weapon that moves an enemy ship 5 squares in a random direction??? If I wanted to move an enemy ship I'd use Tractor or Repulser beams, that way I could control which way I moved him! |
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Ok, mac,
Now is the time to start an actual poll to coutn up, the number of PPB afectionados and detractors, etc |
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I also like the Wave Motion gun. However, it is not to be used as a primary weapon. You need something to back it up on a turn to turn basis while you wait for it to reload.
The weapon I like least: I hate the shard cannon in unmodded SE. Very few people use much armor, and armor remains mostly unimportant so a cannon that bypasses it serves little purpose. |
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Re: WormHole beam: you understimate this gun.
it does not move a ship in 5 random direction. It teleports it to completely random location within map boundaries. Tested it. Or at least, it works that way in 1.49. i dont think somebody bothered to change this. Also, tractor/repulser only work on same tonnage or less while excort with WHB could easily move a starbase, baseship or whatever you want. Physics 4 are though a bit of too much for this support weapon but still... And it can be a useful addition to those AS ships. Either you hit it or send it away. |
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Always put a replusor on after the wormhole beam. If somethig gets warped to point blank range, at least it gets thrown a distance away |
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Wormhole beam is awesome. I once attacked some TDM Ai planet (think it was Master Belizarious pet). Planet had large WP with Ionic dispersor and wormhole beam. Before captain of my ship reilized what is going on, WP vaporized engines and then throw the ship into the corner where it sit for the remaining of the battle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
Weapon I believe nobody uses - Crystaline torpedo. Miserable damage, so-so speed and structure points. Even reload of 2 does not help http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif |
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Hey, that was my tactic MB is using! for some reason i see a lot of my own tactics employed by MB, thats wierd.
Crystalline... playing with them now. seems that it is a late-game special type weapons. Not early game tho. |
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