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Aaak! I just hit 400 Posts! I had planned to make a separate thread like this one to make and commemorate my 400th post, but I lost track and made it in the "Mod Idea: Simulating surfaces -> Borg Technology -> Twinkie Physics -> Worldviews" thread (which would be a very strange mod if it were ever implemented http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

I guess I could think of a dozen other threads which would be less appropriate for my 400th post, though. (I think the top ten are taken by different incarnations of the shape-shifting name-changing thread.) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

So when do my commission papers come from Shrapnel/Aaron? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ December 15, 2002, 20:20: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

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And I thought you wrote something more important.

The word Essay shouldn't be used lightly, second lieutenant.

[ December 13, 2002, 03:09: Message edited by: TerranC ]

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Lew-tenants http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, yes, sir. I didn't mean no harm, sir. I won't ever do it again, sir, no, not never!

*First Lieutenant TerranC turns around while Second Lieutenant Krsqk goes aggle-aggle-aggle at his back* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Hmm. At this rate I’ll be a noncom for life.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You shouldn't abuse your power, First Lieutenant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I never want to see you doing that again, you hear me? I am your superior officer speaking here! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I'm kidding of course, just had to josh ya a bit about it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Everyone knows it's the sergeants that RUN the military! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Ack, Ohhh NOOOO! I'm closing in on 400 myself!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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Of course, if you were British, you wouldn't be a second lieutenant but a sublieutenant. And then you might be referred to as "leftenant". At least I think that's how it goes.

I'm enlisted, and I work for a living!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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All of you grunts get back to work!
Us specops types don't like you whiners whining! hahaha
Im kinda surprised I got bumped to SpecOps, but hey

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Next thing you know they will be paying you out of the Dept of Agriculture, and you’ll have a VA. Driver’s license with a Fredericksburg address on it. And you still won’t know why they did it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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What is the difference between a "non-commissioned officer" and a "commissioned officer"?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The real answer is, we work for a living. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

This seemed like a good topic for my first post...

[ December 13, 2002, 13:13: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

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I have often wondered if I had added up all of the Posts that I have ever made over all the forums I have belonged to what my post count would be and what rank that would equal.

I have been a moderator in 7 forums, and have held forum ranks as high as they can go, say for those who owned the forum.

Congrats on your 400th posting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I look forward to your 1000th. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And welcome to the forum DarkHorse. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ December 13, 2002, 13:33: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, thanks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Up to 2 Posts now, woo hoo

[ December 13, 2002, 13:53: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

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Kamog, <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One is commissioned, one is not commissioned! Whew! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

OK, Here is a list of NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers; Corporal, Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, Sergeant First Class, Master Sergeant, First Sergeant, Sergeant Major, Command Sergeant Major, Sergeant Major of the Army. Does that help?

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One is commissioned, one is not commissioned! Whew! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

OK, Here is a list of NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers; Corporal, Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, Sergeant First Class, Master Sergeant, First Sergeant, Sergeant Major, Command Sergeant Major, Sergeant Major of the Army. Does that help?

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That may help, if you're in the army. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
We in the Air Force do it a little differently:
Buck Sergeant (obsolete), Staff, Technical, Master, Senior Master, Chief Master, and Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force.

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Basically if you don't get yourself killed after a while they put you in charge of other guys and make you an officer. You can get to be an officer for just doing your regular job well enough to supervise others, but you don't get a "commision" unless you do something outside of that. Nowadays they send you away to officers training school which is like college. Or you can skip the whole NCO track if you go to college before you join the service.

In the past you could get your commision other ways. Battlefield commisions happen during big wars sometimes. And in olden days you could be given a commision simply by being a landowner or an important member of soceity. That was basically jut a way to keep the riff raff from thinking they were equal to you just because they happend to join the army before you did. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm pretty sure that is what happens in this forum as well...but it goes more like, as long as you don't get yourself fired because of spending too much time posting here and have your 3000 dollar computer repoed, they make you an officer.

Just guessing as I wouldn't know being on eternal kitchen duty.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Aw c'mon now-I at least had to test http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Oh, four hundred! I've been wondering... been a Sergeant forever... Well, I'm not that far away... still someone ought to post the numbers somewhere...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Aw c'mon now-I at least had to test http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well sure, but if you get yourself killed they don't let you take the test. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Getting yourself killed looks very bad on your military record. Unless it's during a war, then you get a medal.

Geoschmo

[ December 13, 2002, 21:46: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kamogs post (reply number 884 - page 23)
Yes, this is the list:

quote:
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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:

0 = Private
51 = Corporal
200 = Sergeant
400 = Second Lieutenant
600 = First Lieutenant
800 = Captain
1000 = Major
1250 = Lieutenant Colonel
1500 = Colonel
1750 = Brigadier General
2000 = Major General
2500 = Lieutenant General
3000 = General
3500 = National Security Advisor
4000 = Ruler of the World

[ December 13, 2002, 21:55: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The real answer is, we work for a living. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

This seemed like a good topic for my first post...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This thread reminds me of a favorite Beetle Bailey cartoon:

General Halftrack walks around, shouting "Colonel! ... Major! ... Lieutenant ... Sergent! ..."

As he stomps away angrily, we see next door the permanant Private Beetle Bailey lounging on a bench musing aloud:

"For a minute there, I thought I was going to have to get up"

[ December 13, 2002, 22:49: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

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Hey, I'm a second luey now too.

I'm glad there not using the US Navy ranks.
Anyone want to be a Rear Admiral Lower Half?

Joke:
A couple were siting on the end of a park bench. A foul smelling bum walks up and sits down on the other end. The couple tried to ignore him but the stench was too much and so they left. The bum happily laid down and streched out on the bench.
The Moral of this story is: Rank Doth Have It's Privilages.

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DarkHorse, <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would like to point out 'we' aren't in the Air Force, Here. They use Army Ranks here. That is not right either. Naval ranks should be used. But hey, that is the way it is here!

geo, always a good idea not to die! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Wardad, congratulations, there Sir! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The "unpronounceable one" has posted enough Messages to raise his rank from seargent to 2nd louie.

Keep at it Kamog, you'll get there too.

And so will I if I keep posting fluff like this.

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Hi Dark Horse, welcome.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That one goes over much better to those of us who have lived it for a while... I served 8 years in the USAF.

In fact, you may like some of the discussion in When to attack

I didn't get into the Tenants of Aerospace Power... as you will will recall from Leadership school among other places. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which isn't right either since in the U.S. Military space belongs to the Air Force! hehe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ December 14, 2002, 01:02: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Very true; fortunately it's hard to get oneself killed programming computers. Just have to watch out for those nasty papercuts.

EDIT: Oh, and thanks to everyone for welcoming me. I've been lurking here for a while learing how to mod, so I almost feel like I know a lot of you already. I guess it's only fair to be known as well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ December 14, 2002, 01:07: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

Re: Promotions -> Non-Coms do all the Work -> Space is the Navy\'s -> No it\'s not -> etc.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which isn't right either since in the U.S. Military space belongs to the Air Force! hehe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That may be, but the first fleet of war ships that leave near earth orbit will be commanded by an Admiral. If you need to attack a far off target, then the Air force is up for the job. But if you are in the business of projecting power and influence, then you call the navy. Besides, the Air force needed to get the space defense job. In this day and time, their two legs of the triad are obsolete in every event but an all out first strike. Boomers carry the bulk of our deliverable weapons of mass destruction. Sure the Air force gets the tactical bombing jobs, but there is not a lot of glamour in carpet bombing with BUFF’s, and at today’s prices, we wont be seeing anymore large fleets of heavy bombers. Like the battlewagon, they have had their day. And regardles of what happens, when the time comes to kick butt and take names, it will be grunts applying the boot to the butt!

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DarkHorse, WHEW! I thought my attitude was less than charming. You got me beat!

If what you need to hear is; "DarkHorse, you are 100% correct! Please pordon me for my errors". OK, I said it.

If it is just a matter of you finding someone to argue with. Start a thread, I'll be there! Or send me and email/PM. I am not going to get into this one-upsmanship with you HERE! You have made it personal!

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Whoa! Say what? What did I say to offend anyone?!

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Darkhorse, i dunno what you said. i was actually enjoying the discussion among the services. I agree that the Naval ranks should be used as the Navy would control the ships. The Marines would provide security aboard the ships. The Army would provide the Drop Troops. The Airforce however is not listed in the sci-fi books i have read nor the RPG's i have played. the Navy has its own craft and they piloted the fighters/dropships. though i guess you could put the airforce as the fighters/dropships.

Actually i guess based on this you could use whichever rank you wanted depending on what branch you were in.

edit: guess we can change the name from Airforce to AeroSpace Force.

[ December 14, 2002, 02:35: Message edited by: desdinova ]

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Darkhorse, I wouldn't worry about it. Mlmbd must have just misread what you said, cause there is nothing in what you said that would require such a reaction.

Mlmbd, take a breath man. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

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No hard feelings here, hopefully none anywhere.

Hey, it's my first day on these Boards, I thought it would take at least a week to annoy somebody =) A new record! lol

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Maybe the Air Force will be sucked into another branch; after all, it came in large part from the Army. Maybe just atmosphere-based craft--I don't know how practical fighter-sized craft are that would function well in both space and atmosphere.

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Don't you people watch Stargate? The Air Force is out there, killing aliens and saving the earth! You can't disband the Air Force!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I never considered that before. What IS the Airforce doing exploring other planets. they should give the job to the Army or the Marines.

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As it has already been said, space is the "jurisdiction" of the Air Force. It seems fairly obvious to me that since other planets are in space, the Air Force would be the ones to operate there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

BTW, I have several friends in AFROTC. I'm slightly biased http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I thought the US Space Command was in charge of outer space? Of course, that could be part of the Air Force, for all I know.

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Stargate and other scifi not withstanding I think it highly unlikely that once we start exploring and working in space on a regular basis it will be handled by any of the terrestrial service branches. Most of it will be handled by NASA, and other research organizations, or by private sector corporations. If for some reason a dedicated military presence becomes neccesay in space, it will likely be an entirely new military branch. Just like the Air Force was originally a branch of the Army until it got large enough, at some point a new service would be formed.

Geoschmo

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Space Command is part of Strategic Command or USSTRATCOM, based at Offut AFB in lovely Bellevue, NE. Quote from website:

"USSTRATCOM is the command and control center for U.S. strategic forces and controls military space operations, computer network operations, information operations, strategic warning and intelligence assessments as well as global strategic planning."

STRATCOM webpage

[ December 14, 2002, 17:11: Message edited by: kalthalior ]

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Another argument for the naval side is that the force structure and travel times involved in space warfare are comparable to historical surface navies.

I think it ultimately comes down to which branch of the service the SF author wants to write about, though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'm partial to Air Force, myself, because that was my father's branch; I seriously considered Air Force ROTC when I went to college.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey I was looking at that web page and found some interesting stuff. This is one of the news bits they had posted http://www2.acc.af.mil/accnews/dec02/02417.html

A U2 with a sick engine would be a hand full. But landing a sick U2 with out a chase vehicle would be really challenging.

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What is with the tendency of threads in this forum to wander through 16 different topics on their way to the trash bin? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is a well-known phenomenon called "topic drift". It happens in almost all on-line forums, especially in unmoderated Groups.

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I'm guessing "topic drift". takes place for two reasons:
1) We all feel very comfortable in this community. It is as if we are talking to friends over a glass of our favorite.
2) We are a very creative and intelligent groupe of people. One idea leads to another and to a seqways from one subject to another.

Oopss, there we go again. Discussing "topic drift".

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The Marines would never stand still and just be ship's security. However, if in such a future, would there be a separation of services. In many ways, the Marines and the Army overlap on duties and goals.

The Marines are considered the world's largest special forces command. I'm sure they'd survive and become an assault force in the future as well...going places delicate people in the Air Force and Army wouldn't dare. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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i can see how there could be a new service branch for space travel. however i still believe the current branches would maintain some role in space, similiar to how i said earlier. the Army or Marines would be used for planetary exploration and shipboard defense.
after thinking about it if there is a new branch formed for space exploration it would replace the Navy and Air Force.

[ December 15, 2002, 23:26: Message edited by: desdinova ]

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Would there be a need for water-based craft, then? I'm sure if we acheive that level of space flight, then we could easily cover the surface of a planet. However, underwater bases (another sci-fi favorite) would be more protected without some water-capable attack capabilities.