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I did it. I let someone talk me into downloading Doga 2 which is free. About 4 hours later with his help I was able to produce these on my own (with some redering from him).
http://www.windingstream.com/se/SpaceEmpires.htm
I would love feedback on everything including Leaglese statements.

[ January 05, 2003, 17:17: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Its a lot of fun isn't it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif If you can, download Doga 3, and the patch. I think the beta patch is availible in the MUST SEE sicky.

Do a search for the DOGA program, and see if you can find link to the DOGA forum where you can download the latest Version of DOGA 3 and its patch.

Keep up the great work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

One tip, just an FYI incase you didn't know. You can select the size you want to render the image in. 36x36 as well as 128x128, then save the image to a folder. No other resizing needed, your done. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Atrocities ,
One, Thanks, you actualy answered one of my remaining quesitons.
Two) What are you doing up so late?, Wait, what am I doing up so late? (don't answer tath)
Three) Are you saying there is a Beta L3 that is Free? I can't justify spending the measily 40 dollars for L3 at this time.

[ December 31, 2002, 09:36: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Just put up 2nd generation. Impressions are welcome. Yes, the tessalation seems a bit contrived but it works for me. I will be calling them the Tessalats.

Edit: Atrocities, You are Leagaly Blind also?
(posted here as to not clog up the "Addicted" thread.

[ January 01, 2003, 19:02: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Hey Gryphin: Nice set there! Definitely different...

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This is a neat and unique shipset! It looks as though several small ships could dock together and form a bigger ship, or perhaps thousands of ships could interlock to produce a sphereworld. It would be interesting to have ships that are modular like this, so if a part of the ship is destroyed in a battle, you just replace those hexagonal parts, or perhaps take the good parts from two or more damaged ships and create one complete ship...

Very nice shipset.

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Hey old Gryph, I like the set, its different, nice change of pace. Keep up the good work, look foreward to our game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif have a brewski on my tab for the good work.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (but don't get carried away http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

just some ideas Mac

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Gryphin, As for my very very small part. You are (as I have told you) more then 'welcome'. I am glad I could help!

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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Thanks guys. I apriciate it. Funny thoug. I did it with the "moduals" because it was the easyest method. I figure most folks will see it as "contrived" but for me and my vision, it works.
Questions:
Do Ships need
1) visible engines
2) Visible weapons
3) Should ships Portrait Pics assend in size visualy. That is: The pic of an escort might take 80 x 100 Pixles , Frigate 100 x 120 pixles. etc..
Or should they all be made as large as posissblle to show detail?
(for what it is worth, This set will attempt to show weapons and visual size differerances.

4) Should I start a poll about these questions.

Any other design ideas?

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pathfinder,
Thanks, I do strive for originalty in my world. I take that as a high compliment.

Kamog,
When using this set it does seem to make sence that the race enhance thier ship construction / maintenance atributes as much as possible and reasonable.

The 3rd Generation of Tessellate ships will be designed by:
Design the Dreadnaught first with all of the details till I'm happy with it.
Thank mlmbd enormously
Design the rest of the ships by removing and rearanging the moduals and weapons.
Then thank mlmbd again for rendering and tweaking them for me.

I was thinking about doing a Tutorial on using Doga L2 to make ship sets. Does anyone know if this would be redunant? Is there one out there alwready?
Thanks again.

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Incredible as it may seem,
The Tessellate ship set is down to:
Main, Explosian, and. Shields
Please, Where should I look for the information on the content and how to lay these out ?

I have not updated the website yet.

[ January 05, 2003, 02:55: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Gryphin: Last few pages in the manual for "original" SEIV has the sizes, etc.

or go to Malfador's website:

http://www.malfador.com/se4.html

and click on racestyles.....

scroll down to the portrait, etc...

[ January 05, 2003, 03:30: Message edited by: pathfinder ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1- Engines are usually shown on ships/vessels - The only exception I can recall is the Shadow ships in Babylon 5 where you don't actually see any engines on these spider-like ships. I think it's NICE when you can see the orientation of a ship in space, and the engine usually tip you off toward this.

2- No i don't think that's important. Weapons could be behind doors, or could actually be a very small whole in the ship. For instance, a submarine does'nt show it's weapon... The USS Enterprise does'nt have any 'cannon' sticking out for example. but of course you can do as you wish!!!!

3- As much as possible, but if the difference is too large, the escort will look like a pixel compared to a dreadnaught... I would suggest you try to make them proportionnal, but don't allow a ship to be invisible due to it's small size !

4-- Nah.

RiTz21

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Gryphin: portrait is not used in sector (ie movememnt/combat) so comparative size not important there. the mini's are what are shown flying around. difficulty is that escort and fighters would not be visible if shown to scale, so my advice is scale as best you can BUT make sure the ship/fighter CAN be seen http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

BTW all the pics MUST be 128 x 128 pixels for portrait (ship plus background); mini's MUST be 36 x 36 pixels (ship plus background).

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1. As Ritz said, its not a must but it is better if you have them

2. You asolutely dont have to and having too many cannons can look wierd in the game (not all battlecruisers are combat ships) but cannons make ships look good, they always do

3. Not all do that but yes, they should be ascending in size, but not in image size - its all 128x128. (but i'd say you draw with bigger proportions for beginning to see it good, then scale the size down when you're done). Scaled ships look good, better than unscalled.

4. Nope

Hey Gryphin i've seen that set before didnt comment as i didnt have much to say (see sig http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ) but now the bc-dn ships are quite good (i love that BB). its still flat though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif .
Some might say LEGO. i wont, it looks good.
if you want scaling down them good... then you should make those octagonals increase in size from ship to ship

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pathfinder - comparative sizes still look pretty good (pretty and good) if you have done everything that way. at least i think so, i've done my technologic set this way.

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Taera: Agreed on the comparative sizing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I just don't wet my pants if that isn't perfect http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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http://www.windingstream.com/se/se_gallery.htm
(Thanks, and Thanks a Lot! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
I really appreciate the feedback.
I had already started down the "non-proportional" path. This way you get a good idea of what is up. It had a second benefit. Trying to add more and more detail I was forced to learn more about doga. I realize most of the Barrels look like they fire shells like those on Battleships today. Oh well, next time. Most likely my next set will be pro proportional. That will not likely be before June.

Major Thanks to mlmbd for rendering these in Doga L3 and his assistance in getting me started. I could not have done this without him.
Before my next set, I will write a "The Gryphin Way to use Doga L2 to Make SEIV Ship Sets" .

[ January 05, 2003, 18:10: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Great set Gryphin!
Why Doga L2 and not L3? Maybe you could write it with Mlmbd.

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Nice shipset.
About scaling, what needs to have a good scaling are the 36x36 minis, ships portraits are never pust togeather so you can crop and scale the rendered pictures or move and zoom the camera to show more detail.
And BTW that background looks cool, but it will look odd in the SM window or the eyecandy previews in the setup window.

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Thanks Andrés ,
What do you mean “SM window”? I don’t follow.

Does “eyecandy previews in the setup” – do you mean When choosing races or ship sets?

I just learned
If you have an incomplete ship set in your \..\races folder and try to change ship sets it will eventually try to read that race. Since there are errors in that set, (missing ships), it will give you an error message pointing to said folder and return you to the opening screen. Makes sense to me. I thought I’d share this with other budding ship set designers.

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The Stellar Manipulation window and the ships shown in the left side of the screen during game setup.

Any missing pictures will be replaced with the "neutral" shipset during the game.
It works this way for all vehicle and group pictures, shields and explosions. It doesn't work for pop pics, and I'm not sure what happens with main and race portrait.
But you will have an error in the setup screen if you don't have the pics it shows there, that is race portrait, main, and portrait_battlecruiser.

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Got it Andres,
I tested that. I had to "borrow" a race and main pic and rename them to Tessellate_... to make it work. Thanks.

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i downloaded DOGA L2 today. i keep getting 2 problems after using it for about 30mn. any ideas on problem.
1. screen goes blank and get invalid synch. this has happened 3 times.
2. computer locks up completely. this has happened twice.

i am running windows xp professional, amd athlon 950, have 768 meg ram, 128 gig of available harddrive space.

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desdinova,
Not exactly. I'm guessing it is a video driver issue.I use
Windows ME
Video chip, (video card) that came on the mother board.
1024 X 768 resolution
Re reading your post
"invalid sync", sounds like your refresh rate is too much for the software. What resolution are you using? 1280 x 768? perhaps? how many colors?
If you are, try dropping to 1024 x 768.
Let me know if you have quesitons.

[ January 06, 2003, 04:02: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Hey, Gryphin, nice shipset!

Are you going to add any neostandard images to it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/neostand.htm

Baseship, scout, worldship, heavy and massive fighters are the most popularily used extra images.

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SJ, Thanks,
yes I will. I'll be play testing the set for a couple of weeks. I have ideas for the scout, geo's idea of "repair bots", World Ship, hmm, a hughe 12 sided dice (die?) Pips carefuly spotted around the surface.
Fighters? can do, I'm oppen.
Um, if I build it, will you use it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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i am using 1024 X 768 24 bit. all my other programs work fine under this except doga. my video card is Radeon 8500 with updated drivers. what little i have used of it so far i like. just using the stock parts you can make a basic shipset.
very nice shipset btw. seeing your shipset is what prompted me to give it a try.

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Gryphin - nice, but i didnt think about the possible issues - you better remove the nice background.

Now for the new updated, those transports look a little dull dont you think?
And L. Carrier looks "lighter" than its smaller brother - carrier

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Gryph: Love the set, it's a definite download for me when it's ready.

I don't think you necessarily need visible engines on yor ships - plenty of shipsets don't have them. Whatever looks best.

I downloaded doga 3 and have been using it for weeks without paying a thing. I'm pretty sure I did this without pirating anything.

mlmbd or anyone: how do I get multiple textures on a ship using doga 3? I can only get one texture which covers the entire ship. Also, how do I use my own textures? Oh, and what does this patch do?

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Gryph, have you used the styletester on your shipset? That will highlight any "issues" as far as backgrounds are concerned. You can download the tester at malfador's site. put it in the same dir as your images and run it to view the images, the click "mask" to see how they will look when the game needs to mask out the black (0,0,0) portions.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The images are already called for by many mods. from 3 to 6 big mods depending on which image, IIRC.

As soon as you add the images, they will pop up even in games already in progress.

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dogscoff,
Yes thanks, I did download the style testor. The only issue is is chokes if there is an image missing. It won't go any further. I'll borrow a few from other sets. or use a bunch of "dummy" ships.

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Taera
I have played a little bit with the ships with the background. All of the minis have "0,0,0" Black for their background. What kind of issues should I be alert for? Thanks

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They will mask different in 16M and 64k color depths, make sure to check both.

It will only choke if for example you have a portrait and not a mini of one of the sizes.

[ January 07, 2003, 03:48: Message edited by: Andr&eacutes Lescano ]

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You set is shaping up nicely http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Andres, Thanks. I'm adding all of the advice / tidbits to my data base.
Guys thanks for the encouragement
Um, the down side?
How am I going to top this one.

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Gryphin, Thanks!

I had no idea that you cosidered my knowledge about texturing as one of your 'toys'. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Nice to know, though!

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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dogscoff, did all that info about texturing in DL3 help? If it wasn't enough info about texturing. Just give me a yell!

Gryphin, Sorry, I am not tring to jack your thread! Hope there isn't a prob!

Shoot, I am still learning stuff about DL3!

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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I have "jacked" enough threads, don't worry about it. I share my toys. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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mlmbd, Thank you for all of your help.

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Gryphin, you are most certainly "Welcome", Sir!

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ January 08, 2003, 21:30: Message edited by: mlmbd ]

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Gryphin, i see you're mostly done with the set, then i'd like to comment a little, if you dont mind.

*Transports are way too flat i think
*Space Station looks bigger than Battlestation, you might want to switch them
*You might want some variety on troops and WPs
*Aint much difference between M and H fighters

Otherwise this is an absolutely unique set, i love this battleship and this colony ship

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Taera,
On the Transports? Could be. Maybe they need a few "pipes" and stuff on the outside
The rest you are right on. I ran out of creative juices. But, yes, I'll get them back when I start the Neo ships.
Now, what about the, "bigexplosion"?
Thanks for the input. Anyone else? Constructive / destructive?

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Gryphin, so what's the latest on your shipset?

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font>

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I'm play testing it now.
Edit II:
Answer: Fyron's Quadrant Mod 2.00
Normal looking system. I never checked. Ooops. "All ships will be moved 1 sectors in a random direction each turn". I never kept track of the bases I built there. So when I finaly noticed them I had forgotton I built them at the one tiny planet in that system.

Edit:
I've been told it was an event. Oh well.
Got to remember to turn them off.
**
Um, Please take a look at the top link in my sig.
I am not faking this. There is a base identical to the bases over my planets in the middle of a system with no planet underneath it. I do not have a Ship yard ship. There is no AI in the area.
What did I do this time?
Can an Event do this? move it from one system to another?
http://www.windingstream.com/se/scre...romnowhere.htm

[ January 18, 2003, 03:05: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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gryphin, it looks like the base portrait images made it into another folder. The systems folder. The one inside 'pictures' folder, in SEIV. If not to a 'find' file or folders, from the 'start up' button in Windows.

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[ January 18, 2003, 15:29: Message edited by: mlmbd ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, it was most likely caused by an event.

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Thanks Terran,
I guess I should have posted this better.
Turns out it was a "feature" on a system in FQM 2.00. (I love FQM. There is always one more surprise). Between my vision and ADD I never noticed that it was caused by the system. And because I'm impulsive when I'm tired, I did not take time to think befor I acted. Oh Well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
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[ January 19, 2003, 03:44: Message edited by: Gryphin ]