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Atrocities January 7th, 2003 03:24 PM

OT: Movies You Have Seen Lately
 
Just thought I would say a few words about the movies I have seen lately. (Including DVD ones.)

Movies in Theaters

1. Catch me if you can.
I really liked this movie. I did not think I would, but I have to admit, I am going to go see it agian. A great cast from Christopher Walkens though Tom Hanks. Very interesting movie.

2. The two towers.
I liked this moive about as much as I liked the first one. Although this movie seems like it is missing about an hour or so of footage, and does not do much for developing the characters.

3. Nemesis
Not the best Star Trek movie I have seen, but never the less, a good flick to watch. I really think Brent Spiner did an awsome job in this movie as his performace is the one that just sticks out in this movie. The ending where he is about to die, and sacerfices his life without so much as a word to Picard was IMHO, great acting. Too bad there will never be another movie with Data.

4. 007 Die another day
Why did they make this movie? This was the worst Bond movie I have seen since Dalton was making them. It seems like each new Bond flick is worse than the one before it. Hell Triple X made a better Bond movie than this one.

DVD's

1. Ecks Vs Sever
Racidedly rotten flick with the worst kind of plot I have ever seen. This movie should never have been made.

2. I See You.
A Sly Stallon movie that is actually very good. It has an alstar cast that really do a good job here. I liked the suspense of the movie, and felt the plot, although weak, worked well because of the performances. Not a high standard for picture quality, but still a good movie. Reminded me in a way of the Thing with Kurt Russel.

3. Triple X
Oddly enough this movie was a good movie. It was what the latest Bond flick should have been. I like Vin as an actor, and feel he did a good job here. The movie was interesting, funny, and kept you wanting more right to the end. Not bad for a Bond spin off.

4. Blood work.
Not a bad movie for Clint, but horribly predictable.

5. Pluto Nash
I liked the movie. I really did. I felt it was a fun romp and it should have gotten better reviews. Eddie did a good job in this movie as it had a good atomsphere, and was moderatly intersting. I liked the DUC hand guns. Very cool.

[ January 07, 2003, 13:25: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

David E. Gervais January 7th, 2003 04:18 PM

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Don't worry about the 'missing hour' in the Two Towers, I'm sure it will find it's way onto the DVD! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Dobian January 8th, 2003 04:47 AM

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I saw Catch Me If You Can Last week. I actually read the book back in the 80's, and thought at the time, "This would make a great movie". I was really surprised when I heard they made a movie about it, because the book was written so long ago (and I figured was out of print), I couldn't imagine someone actually remembered it. The movie is pretty close to the book, although they emphasize his relationships with his family and with his pursuer more in the movie than in the book. In the book, he's just too busy having fun with his secret life to care about anything else.

The Pan Am part is the same as I remembered it from the book. The way did the checks and the fake i.d., etc. Same with his stint as the doctor. In the book, he poses as a college professor, while in the movie, they have him pulling that trick while he's in high school (though he may have done it there too). In the book, he explains that he passed the Bar after the third try. After the first two tries, he would get the test back with the correct answers and explanations, and he would simply memorize the correct answers - some of which would be recycled on the next test. This was glossed over in the movie. In the book, he gets caught in Sweden, and spends time in a prison that's more like a country club. This wasn't included in the movie (due to time limitations, I'm sure). He thought it would be the same deal in France, and was sorely mistaken. The book ends with him escaping through the toilet trap in the airplane. Good book, good movie.

TerranC January 8th, 2003 04:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
1. Ecks Vs Sever
Racidedly rotten flick with the worst kind of plot I have ever seen. This movie should never have been made.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The title itself is a put off-what kind of name is Ecks? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

mac5732 January 8th, 2003 05:23 AM

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Just watched the movie Signs with Mel Gibson, I didn't get to see it at the show.... good movie
at least I liked it

just some ideas Mac

Ragnarok January 8th, 2003 05:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by mac5732:
Just watched the movie Signs with Mel Gibson, I didn't get to see it at the show.... good movie
at least I liked it

just some ideas Mac

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That movie is awesome! I got to see it in a theatre and it was really good. I'll probably either rent it or buy it on DVD to watch again.

Kamog January 8th, 2003 06:43 AM

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I finally saw The Two Towers Last week. It was really good!

That day, they showed the previews for X-Men II and Terminator 3. Looks like there's going to be several good movies scheduled for this year. Matrix II and III are supposed to come out this year, too, and of course the third Lord of the Rings movie near the end of the year. I really liked the first two Terminator movies, so I can't wait to see #3. This time, there's a super advanced cyborg, even more advanced than the T-1000, the T-X, that is sent back in time to kill John Conner. And Schwarzenegger's in it too, of course.

Suicide Junkie January 8th, 2003 06:46 AM

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So, do we get a T-1000 on the good guy's side then? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

zen. January 10th, 2003 07:48 AM

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If he is a T-1000, he certainly looks like the good ole T-800 model (Arnie). The new T-X is played by Kristanna Loken, who, if anyone recalls, played the nice-on-the-eyes thief on the short-lived TV show Mortal Kombat: Conquest. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I'm adding Equilibrium to the list. It was a good film suffering from black sheep syndrome; Dimension Films barely released this one (only 200-300 theaters around the U.S.). I managed to see it twice before it left the theaters after 3 weeks.

It's about a dystopic, Orwellian future where feelings are a crime and punishable by death. Everyone is kept pleasantly drugged and productive members of society. Christian Bale stars as a Grammaton Cleric, the elite enforcers of this totalitarian regime. It's basically a coming-of-senses story. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif The martial arts and gunplay are excellent, fused into a new form called 'Gun Kata'. Very nice action scenes, especially considering the low budget the movie was under. Sean Bean (Boromir) was also in this movie; I almost didn't recognize him without the mucho hair. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Another castoff from Dimension Films was a film called 'Below'. A WWII U.S. sub picks up some survivors on the way home and comes under attack by destroyers; they're forced to go deeper, and in that depth, either something paranatural or their own minds start playing tricks on them...

Ah well, there's always DVD. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

zen

P.S. Please put "spoiler space" if endings of movies will be revealed, such as Star Trek Nemesis that I was going to see this weekend. Thank you.

CNCRaymond January 10th, 2003 07:44 PM

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Any one here ever see a movie named "Slaughter of the Inocents?"

Scott Glen film on par with Silence of the Lambs. Good movie.

STN (X) was an ok movie, but it should have been longer. The director should have spent more time developing the movie rather than the action.

Having the Enterprise set so dark was a real stupid thing to do. He should have played off the light and dark aspects of the two characters. I would have enjoyed seeing more at the beginning in regards to the reunion, and how in the hell they found B-4. We all knew from STNG Series that there were many more prototype androids, but nothing was ever said about what happned to them with the exception of Lore.

On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd rate TrekX at 6. I still think Insurrection was the best one so far.

Ragnarok January 10th, 2003 08:04 PM

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"I still think Insurrection was the best one so far."

You actually liked Insurrection? To me that was the worst Star Trek movie of all time. Well at least one of the worst.
I know people have their own opinion but I think you're the first Trek fan I've ever seen that actually liked that movie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

CNCRaymond January 10th, 2003 08:26 PM

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I liked it for many reasons. It was an up lifting movie, well directed, with high production standards. I enjoyed the bad guys, and even that weak assed battle they had.

But I liked it for a private reason.

Perrin January 10th, 2003 08:50 PM

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The problem that I had with Insurrection was:

If the plant's effects on health and aging extended into space why did they want to bother removing the natives? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Just build some space stations in orbit for Pete's sake. That way you could just leave the natives on the planet.

Kamog January 13th, 2003 10:19 AM

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It's good every so often to go see a type of movie that you don't normally go see. Even if you expect that you're not going to like it, sometimes when you see it, it turns out to be not bad. Normally, I mostly see science fiction, action, and the occasional comedy. But today I saw Antwone Fisher. It's a good story.

Cirvol January 13th, 2003 04:48 PM

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A couple of movies not seen by many, but SHOULD be seen imho ;p (in no particular order)

1. the salton sea (val kilmer druggie+ more ;p) great flick, trust me
2. spriggan (anime-recent) good sci-fi anime story
3. ghost in the shell (anime-old) best anime of all time prolly
4. cowboy bebop (anime-series) a 28 part fun anime with a great story and better characters and the coolest music ;p
5. LOTR and TTT - peter jackson is god, nuff said (i know many of u have seen these but i couldnt leave em out)
6. the emperor and the assasin (good new-style kung fu like 'crouching tiger hidden dragon', with an even better story http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

there are more, i know this looks a little anime heavy ;p... but i figured you've all seen most of the 'hollywood' shiite already

Kamog January 15th, 2003 06:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cirvol:
3. ghost in the shell (anime-old) best anime of all time prolly
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah! Masamune Shirow's anime is really good! Lots of action, cybernetic technology, a pretty heroine, and a very intricate background for each story. Appleseed, Dominion Tank Police, and Orion are good, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

klausD January 15th, 2003 09:41 AM

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And dont forget "Princess Mononoke". Excellent anime similar in quality to Ghost in the shell. It was a big commercial success (at least in Japan)

klausD

Kamog February 9th, 2003 07:48 PM

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Just saw the movie, "Shanghai Knights". It is a sequel for "Shanghai Noon". It was good: lots of funny parts, and nice kung-fu fights! Lin, who is Chon Wang's (Jackie Chan) sister, is really pretty and a great fighter, too.

DavidG February 9th, 2003 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kamog:
I finally saw The Two Towers Last week. It was really good!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree. As long as you manage to stay awake for the first 2 hours. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif The Last hour is awsome!

Askan Nightbringer February 19th, 2003 04:15 AM

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I have to ressurect this thread coz I saw "Gangs of New York" the other night.
I put this as the least interesting and most boring movie I've seen in years. It felt like I paid to watch Martin Scorsese masturbate for a couple of hours.

Askan

Kamog February 19th, 2003 08:06 AM

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I saw "Daredevil" a few nights ago. It's an OK movie. Nothing special though...

I'm looking forward to X-Men II, the Matrix sequels, and Terminator 3... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

gregebowman February 19th, 2003 06:00 PM

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Another anime that is worth watching is Metropolis. It's based on a manga (japanese for comic book) that's loosely based on the old silent movie from the 1920's. It kicks ***. I would highly recommend it. I would go so far as to say it at least equals Ghost In The Shell, if not surpasses it.

[ February 19, 2003, 16:01: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

kalthalior February 19th, 2003 06:03 PM

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Saw Daredevil Last night, not great, but still pretty good. Catch Me If You Can was probably the Last one I saw, and I enjoyed it much more than expected. TT met my expectations, but I still like the Fellowship better. Eagerly awating Matrix and X-Men sequels.

Wardad February 19th, 2003 06:13 PM

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I saw Gangs of New York and thought it was great.
They really captured some of period flavor.
The Tammany (HALL) Society really was that bad.
The politics and elections were really that corrupt.

The recuitment of Irish immigrants right off the boat was spot on.
"Sign here and your a citizen."
"Sign here and your enlisted."
"Now go serve your country, son."

[ February 19, 2003, 16:26: Message edited by: Wardad ]

dogscoff February 19th, 2003 06:30 PM

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Quote:

Another anime that is worth watching is Metropolis. It's based on a manga (japanese for comic book) that's loosely based on the old silent movie from the 1920's. It kicks ***. I would highly recommend it. I would go so far as to say it at least equals Ghost In The Shell, if not surpasses it.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I have that on DVD. It is just... wierd. Good, but wierd. The most memorable bit is the big collapsing building bit at the end, all to some sad old love song... a really peculiar film. Well worth watching.

Askan Nightbringer February 20th, 2003 02:08 AM

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Can't wait for the Matrix sequels either.
One of my friends plays one of the Hugo Weaving doubles (Agent Smith). For the shoot they shaved him a receding hairline . It was most amusing but I'm still most jealous (if only I was taller I got have gotten the part).

Askan

Askan Nightbringer February 20th, 2003 04:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wardad:
I saw Gangs of New York and thought it was great.
They really captured some of period flavor.
The Tammany (HALL) Society really was that bad.
The politics and elections were really that corrupt.

The recuitment of Irish immigrants right off the boat was spot on.
"Sign here and your a citizen."
"Sign here and your enlisted."
"Now go serve your country, son."

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The early parts were good, its just near the end it came up really wishy washy, like Scorsese was trying to throw it lots of historical footnotes. Its like he had a enough stuff for a couple of interesting movies with well developed plots and characters but tried to roll it into one big movie that just came out flat.

Askan

Aloofi February 21st, 2003 09:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cirvol:


there are more, i know this looks a little anime heavy ;p... but i figured you've all seen most of the 'hollywood' shiite already

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I love animes, especialy old school Japanesse animation. I stopped long ago caring about Hollywood movies. They are loaded with ****y political correctness and leftish crap. How can anybody believe that a T-800 Terminator would come into a biker bar and not kill even one of those guys? Mind you, this happened before that Edward Furlong kid told him that he cannot kill people. Just stupid. I bet T3 will not be any better. Arnie fighting a girl? Please.......

Ruatha February 21st, 2003 11:25 PM

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I'd like to recommend "Amelie from Montmarte".
A really good film that makes you kind of happy!

And the early Pedro Almodovar films where good to;
"Women on the verge of nervous breakdown" (Not sure of the English title) was really fun!

Another film that surprised me was "The Crying Game" (I think it was called that) about an british soldier that was kidnapped by the IRA, then killed and one of the IRA members who got to know him goes and seeks up the soldiers girlfriend, than things start to happen.
That was one of the few films that's surprised me.

"Saving Private Ryan" was a good film to, realistic.

As to Star Wars I think the Last one (Episode II) is the best, altough it can't beat the feeling I had when I saw the first one, was it in 1977?
I like the big scenes in Episode II, the mass Jedi fight and the huge troops movements.
The Aliens series is also good films I think.

[ February 21, 2003, 21:27: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Aloofi February 21st, 2003 11:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Ruatha:
"Saving Private Ryan" was a good film to, realistic.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Realistic?
Yeah right, and I have a Abram M1A3 in my parking lot.....
Nothing realistic have EVER come out of Hollywood, as far as war films is concerned. They all degenerate into "anti-war" films with stupid Messages to make you fear war. Then the others that are not "anti-war" are just a bunch of cheap flicks with bad scripts from people that have never put one foot on a battlefield.
And even worst, books that are suppose to be "real memories" from war veterans end up tuned down to be politicaly correct and not upset the readers.......

gregebowman February 21st, 2003 11:41 PM

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[quote]Originally posted by Aloofi:
Quote:

Originally posted by Cirvol:
[qb]

there are more, i know this looks a little anime They are loaded with ****y political correctness and leftish crap. How can anybody believe that a T-800 Terminator would come into a biker bar and not kill even one of those guys? Mind you, this happened before that Edward Furlong kid told him that he cannot kill people. Just stupid. I bet T3 will not be any better. Arnie fighting a girl? Please.......
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think that the Terminator was trying to keep a low profile that would not involve the police. A bar fight can be overlooked, but not a bar full of dead bodies. Remember, John Connor had already programmed the Terminator before sending it through time. I don't think he would have sent a killing machine back through time, especially if his ultimate goal was to save billions of lives.

Ruatha February 22nd, 2003 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Aloofi:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ruatha:
"Saving Private Ryan" was a good film to, realistic.

.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Realistic?
Yeah right, and I have a Abram M1A3 in my parking lot.....
Nothing realistic have EVER come out of Hollywood, as far as war films is concerned. They all degenerate into "anti-war" films with stupid Messages to make you fear war. Then the others that are not "anti-war" are just a bunch of cheap flicks with bad scripts from people that have never put one foot on a battlefield.
And even worst, books that are suppose to be "real memories" from war veterans end up tuned down to be politicaly correct and not upset the readers.......
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You have to put things into perspective.
It was alot more realistic than the movies before it.

Have you seen "Schindler's list"? Quite good and based on true persons and events. But still a bit fictionalized I think.
You can ofcourse make a movie of 13 people sitting in a tent for three hours while two stand post outside, realistic war movie? yes. Good movie? no.
(No I'm not talking about any war that involves USA)

[ February 21, 2003, 22:07: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

tesco samoa February 22nd, 2003 02:05 AM

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i saw I am Sam the other week... I really enjoyed it. Soundtrack was really good as well

DavidG February 22nd, 2003 05:38 AM

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[quote]Originally posted by gregebowman:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Aloofi:
Quote:

Originally posted by Cirvol:
[qb]

there are more, i know this looks a little anime They are loaded with ****y political correctness and leftish crap. How can anybody believe that a T-800 Terminator would come into a biker bar and not kill even one of those guys? Mind you, this happened before that Edward Furlong kid told him that he cannot kill people. Just stupid. I bet T3 will not be any better. Arnie fighting a girl? Please.......
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think that the Terminator was trying to keep a low profile that would not involve the police. A bar fight can be overlooked, but not a bar full of dead bodies. Remember, John Connor had already programmed the Terminator before sending it through time. I don't think he would have sent a killing machine back through time, especially if his ultimate goal was to save billions of lives.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WTF?? There is someone out there that doesn't like the Terminator movies??! Say it isn't so!. that bar scene is one of the most amusing scenes hollywood has produced. If you want 'realisitic' I'd suggest you stay away from hollywood movies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

raynor February 24th, 2003 09:05 AM

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Did anyone else watch X-Men on Fox on Sunday? They showed a few scenes from the new movie. It looks like a SWAT team is invading the school. It looks pretty awesome. I can't wait for the movie.

Aloofi February 24th, 2003 04:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by DavidG:
If you want 'realisitic' I'd suggest you stay away from hollywood movies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, that's why I play PC games instead of watching movies.
I've never been a president or an admiral, so since I can't compare I guess that's why SE4 appeals to me.

Ragnarok February 24th, 2003 06:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by raynor:
Did anyone else watch X-Men on Fox on Sunday? They showed a few scenes from the new movie. It looks like a SWAT team is invading the school. It looks pretty awesome. I can't wait for the movie.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yup, that is what happens. The trailer is out and with the Daredevil movie. It's also on their website.
This is going to be one sweeta$$ movie. Check out the full trailer and you'll see what I mean. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Wardad February 24th, 2003 06:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Aloofi:
... They all degenerate into "anti-war" films with stupid Messages to make you fear war. ...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">While true enough, war really is something to be feared.

When I was a kid I found a Picture History book of WWI. It was gruesome even in black and white. Bodies laying in trenches, or piled up like cord wood 100 foot from the enemies lines. Blisters from gas covering face and tongue. Starving children with vacant faces and empty stomaches begging for scraps.

I did not need hollywood films for an anti-war message.

[ February 24, 2003, 17:22: Message edited by: Wardad ]

gregebowman February 24th, 2003 09:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wardad:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Aloofi:
... They all degenerate into "anti-war" films with stupid Messages to make you fear war. ...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">While true enough, war really is something to be feared.

When I was a kid I found a Picture History book of WWI. It was gruesome even in black and white. Bodies laying in trenches, or piled up like cord wood 100 foot from the enemies lines. Blisters from gas covering face and tongue. Starving children with vacant faces and empty stomaches begging for scraps.

I did not need hollywood films for an anti-war message.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All too true. Just looking at one picture of the Holocaust camps can make me feel the same way. And guess what? It's still happening. It may not be Jews this time, but it's still the same principal. Look over at what used to Yugoslavia. It's Serbs vs Muslims vs whoever else gets in the way. What used to be Russia is having similar problems. And don't forget Saddam Husseim gassing his own Kurds. But I think you're doing Hollywood some injustice. True, most of the crappy stuff that called "war" movies are inane anti-war stuff or something like it. But I have to disagree that Saving Private Ryan was that. I think you got the message that these soldiers fought, all too many died, for their beliefs. There wasn't any running off to Canada back in the 1940's. Even though there was a draft back then, once Pearl Harbor happened, most men volunteered to join the military. So don't discount all of HOllywood movies. As a matter of fact, if you want to see a non-American war movie that shows the horror of war, check out a movie called Stanlingrad. It's a German movie, and there's no wishy-washy Hollywood crap in it.

Aloofi February 26th, 2003 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wardad:
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">While true enough, war really is something to be feared.

When I was a kid I found a Picture History book of WWI. It was gruesome even in black and white. Bodies laying in trenches, or piled up like cord wood 100 foot from the enemies lines. Blisters from gas covering face and tongue. Starving children with vacant faces and empty stomaches begging for scraps.

I did not need hollywood films for an anti-war message.
[/quote]

My dear, you are just another victim of anti-war propaganda. When I see the same pictures you saw, I don't feel "how bad war is" but "Look at what the enemy is doing to us".
There is a big diference in these two aproaches to a reality. And Hollywood is making a bunch of pussies out of us, while our enemies are raised in warrior societies chanting anti western slogans day and night.
War is not something good or bad, but I can't say the same of losing a war.
And technological superiority only go so far. They have found a way to shake our societies to the bottom, and that is targeting innocent civilians.

Aloofi February 26th, 2003 06:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by gregebowman:
But I have to disagree that Saving Private Ryan was that. I think you got the message that these soldiers fought, all too many died, for their beliefs. There wasn't any running off to Canada back in the 1940's
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, Saving Private Ryan was one pure anti war propaganda.
Lessons from the movie:
1- Soldiers lives are disposable to their commaders.
2- If you are brave you die
3- If you take point you die
4- If you obey your commaders orders you die
5- If you save civilians you die
6- If you help your squad mates you die
7- If you are a coward you survive
8- If you hide you survive
9- Don't ever go to war.

All of these are lies. But the worst thing is that these anti war feelings are so deep in your mind, as you have been exposed to this since you were born, that it all seem perfectly real.
I'm sure there are zillion more little details in this movie, but I haven't seen it in quite a while.

Stone Mill February 26th, 2003 06:28 PM

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Saving Private Ryan was about contradictions, and that is exactly why it is excellent.

The main question posed is "Does a humane act in a horribly heinous environment of war still have value?"

In the end- a wonderful contradiction... Ryan is "Saved" by one humane act (recovery mission)and returned to his family.

However, Capt Miller's other humane act (releasing the German Soldier) comes back to destroy him...

gregebowman February 26th, 2003 06:45 PM

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I think that why you feel Ryan was an anti-war movie was that it was too realistic. Too much blood and guts. I remember growing up and watching all those old war movies made in the 50's and 60's, and you didn't see any blood and guts. You saw a guy get shot and fall down. So I think we weren't too conditioned to seeing a realist war movie, at least as a society. Now, Hollywood has no problem showing the blood and guts, and IMO, that's why some people are thinking it's an anti-war movie. No, it's showing war as it more or less is: ugly, terrifying and not something to worship.

Atrocities February 26th, 2003 07:55 PM

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Dare Devil = B movie with B acting, and just play BAD movie. Don't waste your time or your money.

I think that now a days, the critics are being bought off. This movie is evidance of that.

Ragnarok February 26th, 2003 08:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Dare Devil = B movie with B acting, and just play BAD movie. Don't waste your time or your money.

I think that now a days, the critics are being bought off. This movie is evidance of that.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're one of the first people that I've heard rate this a bad movie. Everyone that I've talked to said it was a good movie. Not great, but good. I enjoyed it myself. One thing I don't like about it though is they took too many ideas from Spiderman. I thought I was watching Spiderman all over again at times.
The best part of Daredevil though was the previews for X-man 2. That is going to be one sweet movie.

Aloofi February 26th, 2003 10:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by gregebowman:
I think that why you feel Ryan was an anti-war movie was that it was too realistic. Too much blood and guts.
No, it's showing war as it more or less is: ugly, terrifying and not something to worship.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Too realistic?
Since when showing blood and guts is realism?

That blood is there just to scare the hell out of you. Most people that go to war DON'T get killed, or wounded, or anything. In real battle you DON'T see what's going on 2 meters away from your position, but in movies you see EVERYTHING that's happening at the same time in the whole battlefield. And everything happen very FAST instead of very slow, as the movies try to tell you.

Ragnarok February 26th, 2003 11:17 PM

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My .02 cents worth.
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Most people that go to war DON'T get killed, or wounded, or anything.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then why are there so many memorial walls and things of that nature with names of ones who did get killed in battle?
I highly doubt any of us have been in battle to know if anyone gets wounded or not. So none of us can say for sure. But I am fairly certain people do get wounded. Whenever there is war, or battles, people are going to get hurt and killed. There's no doubt about that.

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In real battle you DON'T see what's going on 2 meters away from your position, but in movies you see EVERYTHING that's happening at the same time in the whole battlefield.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If a movie focused only on a certain part of the battlefield and not see "EVERYTHING," then the movie would not be all that interesting. It could be if done right. But when you're trying to fit a long story in a hour and 45 minute space, you have to have a camara view of EVERYTHING around the battlefield.

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And everything happen very FAST instead of very slow, as the movies try to tell you.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with you here. But it all really depends on the battle situation, sometimes it happens slow, sometimes it happens fast. It all depends on what they are currently trying to do.

But anyway, that is just my opinions on the matter. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

gregebowman February 27th, 2003 12:11 AM

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I can't imagine what being in a real battle might be like. During my time in the Air Force, we had exercises and such, but since I was always in a medical unit, we didn't too involved in the actual fighting part. The closest I came when I was in Korea, and they had frequent exercises, which meant I had to put on all of the chem gear. And that's no fun. I almost went to Persian Gulf I, but due to a matter of logistics, there wasn't enough room for about 30 people in my unit. Still, they went to a site just barely within Scud missile range and never saw any action.

Kamog March 12th, 2003 09:31 AM

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Have you seen the movie "Cradle 2 the Grave"? Is it any good? I'm thinking of possibly going to see it. I have seen a few earlier Jet Li movies, and they were OK, but not great... is this one the same sort of movie as the other ones?

Edit: By the way, why is this one called "Cradle 2"? What happened to "Cradle 1"? I don't remember there being a "Cradle 1", or did I just miss it?

[ March 12, 2003, 07:33: Message edited by: Kamog ]

Ruatha March 12th, 2003 09:44 AM

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gregebowman >
So you're into the med profession aswell.
I'm an ensign in the Swedish army (reserves).
Originally I was a medic in a rifle platoon but now that I'm a doctor I'm placed a bit further behind the lines.
Still we haven't had a war since 1814, unless you count UN missions. So I will hopefully never treat any gunwounded patients except the sedated pigs we practice on.
Still. I'm thinking of going on UN missions in about 10 years, when the kids gets older. But then I'll propably just have administrative functions as by the I'll hopefully be a major.(? English rank? - Major)

The interesting thing is that studies of the recent wars (1950->) shows that most incapicitated soldiers are suffering from psychic problems instead of physical wounds. Still. a war with no wounds and deaths is kind of a contradiction....
If the soldiers feel that they will be taken care of if they are wounded this degree of psychic problems drops rapidly though.

But yes, in all wars there are spilled guts, pneumothoraxes and missing limbs, etc.

As to movies -> still I promote " A crying Game", british film. And "Amelie from Montmarte", french film and "Women on the Verge of nervous brakedown", spanish film.

(Edit spell and movies + correction, se post above.)

[ March 13, 2003, 11:21: Message edited by: Ruatha ]


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