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Fyron January 18th, 2003 02:57 AM

Vision Test
 
Have you had your vision tested recently? No? Well, you should visit *this site* and have it tested.

Suicide Junkie January 18th, 2003 03:03 AM

Re: Vision Test
 
So how come the link says "vision_sabotage.asp"?

Beware the Vampires!

[ January 18, 2003, 01:03: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

Fyron January 18th, 2003 03:03 AM

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Cause I can't use html in Posts here on shrapnel. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

couslee January 18th, 2003 03:04 AM

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
At first I thought it was a helpful site to allow people to test the color bliness, but that is not the case. I am red/blue/green color blind and find using that as a joke platfom offensive. Do you tease people in wheelchairs also?

geoschmo January 18th, 2003 03:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by couslee:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
At first I thought it was a helpful site to allow people to test the color bliness, but that is not the case. I am red/blue/green color blind and find using that as a joke platfom offensive. Do you tease people in wheelchairs also?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fyron is an equal opportunity teaser.

Angelicans/Romiians January 18th, 2003 03:44 AM

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I've seen that before. Failed all the tests except the first one...

Gryphin January 18th, 2003 03:53 AM

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couslee ,
Fyron is never mallicous. Other than that, I am leaglly blind and have sever ADD. I have a very hard time with Black / Blue / Red conbinations and I'm night blind. I have very poor social judgement and piss people off. I'm constantly the butt of jokes. Humor is humor. Enjoy

Edit:
Like just now when I tryied to send a Multi megabyte file to someone with a free yahoo mail box.
1) I did not "see" the size of the file
2) i did not take time *think* the file would clog his mail box
Would you like the to see the friendly foot print where a well aimed kick landed? Just one more little joke

[ January 18, 2003, 02:03: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

DavidG January 18th, 2003 03:53 AM

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You Bastard!!! I'll get you for that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Thermodyne January 18th, 2003 03:57 AM

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I should have known it was a trap when I saw 666 on the Last one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

couslee January 18th, 2003 04:10 AM

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I am sure he is not malicous about it. But my colorblindness has always been a great grief to me. I just overreacted a little. I CAN see the humor in the site. but i have looked for an Online test site to help explian to people what colorblindness is.
It is NOT the inability to see colors. I even had a person at the DMV not want to give me my drivers license on the basis of "if you can't see red lights....then you should not drive" I zooed! and I got my commercial license and she got a lesson in medical terminology. It did however keep me from several career choice when I joined the USAF, which I think is the cause of most my sensitivty to the issue. Aircraft mechanic? NO, you go in the warehouse or build runways.

I also fail all but the first one or two (depending on the test series).

grypin. Sorry to hear about your disabilities. Colorblindness is not my only problem either. I also have a form of dementia that sometimes causes off the wall rants and such, along with almost no short term memory. So i tend to piss people off too, even tho it's not meant that way, nor how I truely feel.

Just a crazy Focker
(have you seen the movie "meet the parents?", before you condem my spelling above)

Gryphin January 18th, 2003 05:10 AM

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couslee, < The Gryphin Gryns >
Nice to meet you.

tesco samoa January 18th, 2003 05:46 AM

Re: Vision Test
 
wow there was a 666 on the Last one.

I did not see that

Arkcon January 18th, 2003 05:55 AM

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Oh why didn't I expect that. Sheesh. Top it all off, had the sound up high on my speakers. Fyron, that was cool. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

See, if I had been at work, the speaker would have been off -- now I'll have to steam clean the computer chair. This is the second time I've concentrated on my computer screen at someone's request, and had something like that happen to me -- that's not happening again (famous Last words)

couslee, if you're really ticked off, don't try to go through the whole thing -- you'll only end up even madder at Fyron. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I gotta tell you though, at work, we manufacture biopharmaceuticals with fluorescent dyes on them. We have instruments to analyze them, of course -- but we do look at them and make a guess as to their quality.

One of our scientists was colorblind -- samples looked different to him than to the rest of us, but I don't think he let that get him down. He could make as good a judgement on them as any of us.

Take care.

[ January 18, 2003, 04:07: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

Fyron January 18th, 2003 06:21 AM

Re: Vision Test
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Thermodyne:
I should have known it was a trap when I saw 666 on the Last one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is no 666 on the Last one. What are you talking about? Which colors comprise the 666?

Couslee, I apologize if this offended you. It was not my intention to make fun of anyone with color blindness. I would never make fun of someone for being colorblind, or in a wheel chair. It was only meant as a joke.

Kamog January 18th, 2003 06:22 AM

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There was no 666 on the Last one. It was just a wavy pattern that did not have any definite number. The ending was quite shocking! I'm sure Fyron did not have any bad intentions for posting it; it was a joke!

Ragnarok January 18th, 2003 06:56 AM

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Likewise, I saw no 666 on that Last page.

I'm suprised Geo didn't tell you that you suck! But since he didn't I will... Fyron... You suck! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Fyron January 18th, 2003 06:57 AM

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I think that Fyron guy already knows that he sucks, and is proud of it.

couslee January 18th, 2003 08:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by couslee:
I am sure he is not malicous about it. But my colorblindness has always been a great grief to me. I just overreacted a little. (snip)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am not that pissed, nor that offended. as I previously said ^^^^^^^^^^

Fyron January 18th, 2003 09:11 AM

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Yes, I saw that. But that doesn't mean that I can't post that, now does it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

MacLeod January 18th, 2003 11:46 AM

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The only thing that scared me about that was that I didn't get any but the first one right.

I've seen too many of them things and saw that coming from a mile away http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Angelicans/Romiians January 18th, 2003 12:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by couslee:
It did however keep me from several career choice when I joined the USAF, which I think is the cause of most my sensitivty to the issue. Aircraft mechanic? NO, you go in the warehouse or build runways.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That can comprise fraud and can get you discharged if it is found out. I too am color blind and got a job in military intelligence. There are ALOT of jobs in the USAF that you can be colorblind in. Don't hand me the BS that you lied because you had to in order to get a 'good job'. Being colorblind and being a mechanic is not a good combo. It is dangerous for those that drive/fly the vehicles that you attempt to repair.

couslee January 18th, 2003 01:09 PM

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Excuse me, but the AF entrance exam is HOW I found out about my colorblindness. Based on my other test scores I had a number of career choices, then they entered the color blindness results and it dropped to two choices. Building runways, or working in a material warehouse. I chose the warehouse. I understand dealing with color coded wires on an aircraft require one to not be colorblind. What kind of moron would not understand that? And as for your jumping to conclusions, well, thats AF intelligence for you. oxymorons at work.

[ January 18, 2003, 11:26: Message edited by: couslee ]

DavidG January 18th, 2003 04:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Angelicans/Romiians:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by couslee:
It did however keep me from several career choice when I joined the USAF, which I think is the cause of most my sensitivty to the issue. Aircraft mechanic? NO, you go in the warehouse or build runways.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That can comprise fraud and can get you discharged if it is found out. I too am color blind and got a job in military intelligence. There are ALOT of jobs in the USAF that you can be colorblind in. Don't hand me the BS that you lied because you had to in order to get a 'good job'. Being colorblind and being a mechanic is not a good combo. It is dangerous for those that drive/fly the vehicles that you attempt to repair.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Umm it might be a good idea to read the Posts a little more carefully before you start accusing someone of fraud or lying. Couslee simply said that colorblindness limited his career choices is obviously true.

DavidG January 18th, 2003 04:25 PM

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On a lighter note (and getting back to the joke theme of the thread) For all you guys that could only see the first number have you ever come across a situation in life were you couldn't see some important information because it was surround by orange and red dots? How many of you would even know you are color blind if you hadn't had to take an eye test for some reason.

couslee January 18th, 2003 05:38 PM

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David, that is why I have hunted for a colorblindness test Online. The only way to tell if your colorblind is by that test. Also, some of the areas it does affect you are, color coded wiring, also different colors used in the same setting. Like the neutral race flags in SE4g. most of them, look the same color wise as the other similar shaded flags. looking at a purple flag, and a blue flag can appear to be the same color. it they are right next to each other, it's a little easier to tell apart, but if a yellow tinted one is inbetween, then one can't tell the difference at all. Thats why I have to be carefull i don't attack the wrong ship. I might bLast a friend in error.

being colorblind does not mean one sees less colors. I just learned different ones. for example, take two people. one is colorblind, the other has "normal" vision.
both as a child are given an apple, and told it is red.
the "normal vision" child learns that the color he is looking at is red.
The same thing for the colorblind child, that is the color he is taught is red.
But if the "normal vision" child were to look through the "colorblind' child's eye, he would see pink, or yellow, or green.
red is red to me, but my red is not the same color as your red.
Not being able to distingush shade borders on little dots because of colorblindness, is what allows the test to work. Who ever developed the test, was either a genius, or only colorblind in one eye. lol

Colorblindness also has different levels of severity. usually based on which primary and secondary colors cause problems. R/B/G color blind (me) is two primary, one secondary. most true colorblinds are 2 and 1, or 2 and 2. if someone is only colorblind to one color, they will get a lot farther in the test, but it is designed to catch even single color blindness.

colorblindness has it greatest effect when dealing with pastel colors. I can look at the paint on my wall, and the best i can come up with is "off white", or "earth tones". to go to the store and pick out a match for spot painting is a genuine gamble. Also makes matching clothes difficult. when looks like a good combo to me, may scream at other people.

the biggest problem, is a lot of people have never been tested for it. I have read the "most" men are colorblind, and "most" women are not, but I am not sure of the validity of that statement.. Likewise, I have read that people who are colorblind see better in the dark. But who knows for sure, without doing a lot of research.

the test on the joke page, is only about 1/3 of the circles that are in a complete test. (like the one the USAF gives, which makes lying on entrance impossible. sorry, had to go there).

couslee January 18th, 2003 05:43 PM

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And yes, i occasionally miss important information because i have little spots in my vision. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (floaters, blanks areas, ect...) lol

Ragnarok January 18th, 2003 06:48 PM

Re: Vision Test
 
Quote:

Originally posted by couslee:
And yes, i occasionally miss important information because i have little spots in my vision. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (floaters, blanks areas, ect...) lol
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have those when I blink at a bright light then look around a room. Sometimes I purposely do that for fun when I am extreamly board. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (Strange I know, but that's me!)

But as far as colorblindness goes, as far as I know I'm not. That "test" Fyron posted I was able to see all the numbers except for the Last one, in which there was no number. Just colors.
So hopefully that means that I'm not colorblind but if I am then so be it. If I indeed am then I have adapted to it and it isn't noticable.
But as far as my eyes goes, I just got glasses a couple weeks ago due to my eyes being bad when I try to look at something far away. Up close my vision is better then 20/20. But far away it was around 20/50. But that's just a side topic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ed Kolis January 18th, 2003 09:00 PM

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oh man... you think THAT was freaky?

now if only I could find the link... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Fyron January 18th, 2003 11:54 PM

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Quote:

Also makes matching clothes difficult. when looks like a good combo to me, may scream at other people.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Style is completely subjective. Non-color blind people have that problem too. What one person sees as matching, others may not. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

couslee January 19th, 2003 01:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
[QBStyle is completely subjective. Non-color blind people have that problem too. What one person sees as matching, others may not. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif [/QB]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, you don't understand. some colors clash. purple and blue for example. blue shirt, purple tie. Brown suit. change clothes...... again. but it looks good. (sarcastic example)

Fyron January 19th, 2003 01:28 AM

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I understand perfectly. Style is still subjective. Some people would argue with you, and say purble tie on blue shirt looks fine, or even good.

couslee January 19th, 2003 01:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I understand perfectly. Style is still subjective. Some people would argue with you, and say purble tie on blue shirt looks fine, or even good.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And they are probably colorblind. lol

Fyron January 19th, 2003 01:58 AM

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Or they are not sheep and dare to be different from the mainstream. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Or, they are not American or American-influenced. Other cultures do have vastly different clothing styles and fashion senses than the US, you know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 18, 2003, 23:59: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

dbt1949 January 19th, 2003 05:05 AM

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I posted that link to another site and they got downright upset with me. It was great!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Phoenix-D January 19th, 2003 05:08 AM

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"Style is completely subjective. Non-color blind people have that problem too. What one person sees as matching, others may not."

And some of us just don't -care-. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

Fyron January 19th, 2003 05:14 AM

Re: Vision Test
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
"Style is completely subjective. Non-color blind people have that problem too. What one person sees as matching, others may not."

And some of us just don't -care-. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That would be me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

TerranC January 19th, 2003 05:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
"Style is completely subjective. Non-color blind people have that problem too. What one person sees as matching, others may not."

And some of us just don't -care-. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That would be me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who would when wearing a Vorlon Encounter Suit?

SamuraiProgrammer January 19th, 2003 11:03 PM

Re: Vision Test
 
I have had 'floaters' since jr. high school. They go away for years at a time and then come back. The interesting thing is, I am quite sure they are the same objects because one of them is quite unique and always familiar.

I have heard about vitamin supplements that were supposed to take care of them... anyone familiar with that?

Kamog January 20th, 2003 10:25 AM

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Yeah, style is subjective. Sometimes I am amazed when I talk to someone who has worked out a very complex set of rules on what clothes match and what clothes do not.

It all started when we somehow got into a discussion that girls judge guys by their clothes, even though they usually do not say it.

The guy I'm talking to tells me that my clothes don't match and I have poor style. So I ask him how can you tell, and boy did I get a detailed answer! Oh, the color of your socks should match your belt if it's this color, but if it's that color do this; this color shirt goes with this color pants but not this, but there's an exception to the rule with is this, blah, blah, blah, and he went on for half an hour!

It was so overwhelming and I can't remember what he said. He spent a lot of money on clothes and he constantly bought new clothes in order to be "in style". I still don't fully understand the concept of "being in style". Oh, well.

henk brouwer January 20th, 2003 12:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by couslee:

the biggest problem, is a lot of people have never been tested for it. I have read the "most" men are colorblind, and "most" women are not, but I am not sure of the validity of that statement.. Likewise, I have read that people who are colorblind see better in the dark. But who knows for sure, without doing a lot of research.


<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">one in 12 males is red/green colorblind, and only one in 144 females. The gene for colorblindness is on the X chromosome, of which males have only one and females two. This results in the lower percentage for females since all X chromosomes have to carry the colorblindness gene.

I remember reading an article in the scientific section of the newspaper on the subject some time ago, and they found that being colorblind had some advantages too. I think it had something to do with being able to estimate distances more clearly, but it might have been better darkvision as couslee says, at least something that was a big advantage in hunting, when we still lived in caves etc. It was a good explanation for why so many people have genes for colorblindness.

Edit: I found a site with lots of information about colorblindness, it also simulates how people with colorblindness perceive certain colors/contrasts:

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/j...olorblindness/

One of the Last paragraphs indeed states that colorblind people have better darkvision and would be better at detecting camouflaged objects. It seems you would actually have an advantage when applying for a job in the army as sniper/spotter.

[ January 20, 2003, 11:02: Message edited by: henk brouwer ]

dogscoff January 20th, 2003 01:09 PM

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I used to live with a guy who has trouble with certain colours. When cooking mincemeat he'd ask my help in determining if had gone from pink to brown yet (ie is it cooked?)

I'm amazed to learn that you had trouble getting a driving license: Over here the driving authorities know and understand colour blindness. The prospective driver is required to demnstrate that they can distinguish whih traffic light is on and which is off, but otherwise there isn't a problem.

And about style... I think the idea of style is dying out- or at least changing in western culture, as more and more subcultures emerge, each with its own "styles" and fashions.

couslee January 20th, 2003 05:46 PM

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being better snipers and seeing better at night are of benefit is the service. but, at 17 i had little experience firing a gun. only twice had i shot anything other than a BB gun, and still got small arms expert. Anyone who went to lackland, know you only visit the range once, and are firing an unbalanced weapon (.22 cal barrel on an m16 stock, iirc). and 98/100 @100yrds was good enough for a ribbon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . may have been another reason for the two choices, both put me in a position for long distance fire. one as sniper, the other at enemy aircraft (not close by any means). so who knows. I was not able to pull full term anyway so it is all moot. really

as for the girl at the DMV, she recieved her corrections from her supervisor. It was not a dmv policy, but her own conclusions her comment was based on. the "hassle" for me was having to deal with her lack of tact and education. (she really pissed me off) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I have that trouble with meat also. i learned to not look at the meat, but the juices. if clear, it done. is tinted, it's not. then I always give it a little longer just to be sure. steak tho, I like it mooing when I stick it with a fork. lol

[ January 20, 2003, 15:49: Message edited by: couslee ]

Slick January 22nd, 2003 04:40 AM

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Cooking? We don't need no stinking cooks!

Just eat it raw!

Mix a little Shoyu (Soy Sauce for you Americans) and some WWWWAASSSABBBIIIIII and gimme a cold beer and I am ready for the Super Bowl!!!

Ahi, shrimp, crab, poki, tako, etc, etc. YUM!!!
(if you don't recognize it, don't ask...)

Maybe a raw tourist or two! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif j/k

You should have seen the bunch of us a couple of years ago on a trip (business) to Portsmouth, Maine during lobster season. We showed them how to eat seafood. I will never forget the looks on their faces. When they lost their appetites, we ate their dinners too!!!

Slick.

Kamog January 22nd, 2003 06:05 AM

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Yeah, sushi and sashimi are really good! But the seafood has to be very fresh, or it's not going to be very good.

I don't know about the raw beef and other raw meats, though. I'm scared that if you eat those, you might get parasites.

Fyron January 22nd, 2003 11:28 AM

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Eating raw beef, pork, poultry, and other non-seafood meats (well... not too sure about insects and the like http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) is a really bad idea.

capnq January 23rd, 2003 12:04 AM

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The equivalent of sushi for beef is called "steak tartar". (Sometimes spelled "tartare".)

couslee January 23rd, 2003 01:27 AM

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Nothing wrong with raw beef, but there is a definate quality issue that goes with that. You just don't take a blob of Kroger hamburger and eat it. "tartare" takes a lot of preperation.

Raw or undercooked pork or chicken is very bad.

Angelicans/Romiians January 23rd, 2003 02:42 AM

Re: Vision Test
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DavidG:
Umm it might be a good idea to read the Posts a little more carefully before you start accusing someone of fraud or lying. Couslee simply said that colorblindness limited his career choices is obviously true.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Never said it wouldn't limit career choices. However, it wouldn't limit it to just TWO choices. I'm blind as a bat and color blind and I had around 60 available jobs to choose from. What would limit job choices would be scoring low on your ASVAB.

couslee January 23rd, 2003 03:12 AM

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not sure what the hell your talking about with that. I was 17.5, and entering with a GED. I do not remember taking a second test for aptitude but do remember them entering the GED scores. My GED scores were that of an "average graduating senior". I didn't not even have a valid driver's license at the time, nor had I ever had one. This was also in 1980, and things may have been changed since then and the time you were in. When I joined, childhood asthma was a disqualification and the reason for my early discharge. that has also changed. now it's not. But you don't know what my scores were, nor are you considering there could be many factors involved in job choices, including the fact we were facing war with Iran. So to imply my choices were limited solely because of test scores, and implying in someway I am stupid is offensive. If only test scores were a factor and I was that dumb, I would not have been accepted by the AF in the first place. If you actually have been in the AF you would know that. Another limiting factor is jobs already filled. They don't train 50 people for one job that is filled, when they have openings in other areas.

I am done with this conversation. And you and your implications and conclusions.

[ January 23, 2003, 01:15: Message edited by: couslee ]

Kamog January 26th, 2003 12:07 AM

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Can you see the hidden 3-D picture? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1043532247.jpg


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