OT: What if we live in a infinite resources world like in SE4?
 

What if we live in a infinite resources world like in SE4?

In a SE4 normal game, each planet will generate infinite resources.
Why do races need to capture others planets and start a war if everyone get infinite resources on a single planets? everyone know that war will use up a lot of resources!!

Imagine someday, people can use solar power be the source of energy?
what will happen?

I'm not scientist, someone please tell me,
Does infinite energy = infinite resource?
Can we use energy to make things? (change the molecule?)

Because economy is based on "Everyone share limited resource", will our economic collapse in a infinite resoruce world?
Will our scientists continue to find out / discovery new thing after that?
or no one will work because we had unlimited resource?

What if not everyone on Earth can get unlimited resource?
Will they share this technology to everyone since they will not missing something?
"infinite divided by any number still equal infinite"?!

I always wonder why scientists or government do not input more funding in the research of solar power or other re-usable energy.....

Those are the questions I want answer and give someone to think....

Thank you for you time...

Happy Chinese New Year!
"Gong Xi Fa Cai"!

Re: OT: What if we live in a infinite resources world like in SE4?
 

[ January 31, 2003, 14:51: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

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Ah, you are slightly confused as to the type of infinity meant by infinite resources.

Take Farming on earth = Organics.

We have infinite organics, since plants will continue to grow for billions of years until the sun kills everything on earth and boils away the oceans as it dies.

We have quite limited facility space for organics farms, though, limiting the AMOUNT of that infinite resource we can get each month.

There is also the option of getting more aggressive facilities, as in some mods, that will harvest more in the short term, but that will degrade the conditions and organics value of the planet. This would be forest clearcutting operations, oversized factory farms, and such.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think resoruces (land/foods for the old day and oil/rare minerals for today) is the main reason for conquest on Earth.
Will people change their mind if they aleardy get infinite resoruce?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I always assumed so.

Does that means infinite foods?
enoguh food for everyone on Earth?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Collapse? No. Alter significantly? Yes. Continue to work? Probably.

does infinite resource = infinite money?
why do we need money if everyone get infinite of anything? economy based on money.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Probably not, that's why people will still need to work. To acquire new advances, to distibute more items. Doctors without borders, and the new Bill Gates initiative are advancing the science of getting benefits spread around

Good to hear that.

Thank you.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If some other rules from SE4 applied, it would be unpleasant. I know I'd hate it of Earth were conquered with troops, I was herded onto the assault transport, warped 20 light years away, dropped onto an Oxygen gas giant, and told, "You, chemist, make us advanced armor."

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not in SE4, my ships cost me nothing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'm sure world gov't leaders at least slightly care about their soldiers, but they make life altering decisions for them anyway.

People in SE4 don't need to eat. Arable land on planet Earth is precious, and getting scarcer.

Living space. This has been the principal driving force for most earth conquest. There's plenty of space on Earth, we just don't want to stand shoulder to shoulder like on that Star Trek episode.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">See the hydrogen fuel cell thread

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I always assumed so.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Collapse? No. Alter significantly? Yes. Continue to work? Probably.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Probably not, that's why people will still need to work. To acquire new advances, to distribute more items. Doctors without borders, and the new Bill Gates initiative are advancing the science of getting benefits spread around.

I disagree with both Groups that advancing western medicine isn’t needed anymore. And I personally find the whole idea dull, but hey, it’s just something I don’t want to do – more power to them. There’s a science to everything. I tell the secretar … er.. Chief Administrative Assistant here that what she does is a science, and that I’d be lost without her skills. She thinks I’m being sarcastic. But I’m sincere, I’d be lost without her.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh they're working on it. Just results are slow to come.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No prob. You caught me before the coffee kicked in, so some light work was fun

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Take care.[/qb]

[ January 31, 2003, 14:53: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can we build domed greenhouse on desert?
make fresh water from ocean?

plants can glow in space station, a complete recycle re-use enviornment.

plants can glow in basement too.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can we build domed greenhouse on desert?
make fresh water from ocean?

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Commonly done throughout the middle east and on tropical islands. Hydroponically grown, from desalinated seawater, in greenhouses, there is plenty of sand, which is better for hydroponics anyway.

It is expensive, and these people (for some Middle East countries, anyway) have got the most ready cash of any contemporary gov't.

But it hardly provides sufficent quantities of basic foodstuffs. Only luxuries and cash crops really.

Hydroponics is something of a hobby of mine. Won't even feed me, but I do it anyway.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The point would be, who could make something from the recourses... Or can you find shoes in the trees in your world? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ??? Someone has to make a product from the raw materials. That means that that those people or company controls the industry... so not much would change, maybe things will become a little cheaper, cause the raw materials are for "free" (if they are)... but i doubt that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif greed rules us all.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">People capture other planets, cause they are afraid the other would capture them... survival of the fittest. Or they want to make sure that the human race survives... (in events like rocks from space or diseases etc..)

IMO

grts
R.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is more then enough food on the earth to feed all 6 billion + people on the globe. It's just that the food isn't distributed in the right proportions in order for all to be fed. Some countries are able to grow food alot better then others. And thus the countries that grow food better end up being well fed when compared to the other countries.

As far as living space on the earth goes. There is also in this regard more then enough land for everyone. I read somewhere that there is enough land right now on the earth to give every person on the face of the earth 1 acre of land. That is every person. And that is not considering that there are families. Say you have an average of 4 in a family. And you just keep 1 of your 4 acres. All of a sudden you have 3 extra acres that you can support 3 more families on.

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"I read somewhere that there is enough land right now on the earth to give every person on the face of the earth 1 acre of land."

Such studies ussually conviently ignore the land that is a hellhole or totally useless (or both).

Who wants dibs on that one acre near the south pole?

Phoenix-D

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hope somewhere out there, must be some good people who will make and give free shoes and food for everyone.
Production line, robotic and computer can take care a lot of things.
Who will build that production line or computer? I hope someone will.
Does that mean engineer and technician still need to work?
Do we need a super computer to build a pair of shoe?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who care it's expensive or not when infinite resource?

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I'll take that south pole acre, as long as it's not on an ice river. talk about solar power abilities. subterrainian living quarters are not hard to heat either. Esp with a full acre of windmills and solar panels. However, it would be a shame to ruin such a natural phenomon with human presence. I would rather see dommed oceanic technology persued. but that also could have it's bad effects. The problam is not with available resources, but the lazy and wastefull nature on mankind. And the only true unlimited supply of anything I have ever seen, is greed.
imo.

edit in:
Or, you could try a finite resource game

[ January 31, 2003, 19:36: Message edited by: couslee ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Or that we're already killing the planet with the amount of land we're occupying.

PvK

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"I'll take that south pole acre, as long as it's not on an ice river. talk about solar power abilities."

Not really. You only have sun for half the year, and the sunlight you do get is much less intense than at the equator.

"I would rather see dommed oceanic technology persued. but that also could have it's bad effects."

Everything does. It's a matter of trade offs..and personally I don't think we'll see many of these. Too dangerous, and I doubt you find many people eager to live somewhere where they can't go outside.

Here's a neat (and somewhat disturbing) example of what kind of problems dommed habits would have. Except in reverse.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/paul.clark/crabvspipe.html

PvK: it's not so much the land we're occupying, it's what is being done to everything else.

Phoenix-D

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theoretically, energy does equal matter, but you need such tremendous amounts of energy as to be impossible (with anything that we know of)
Solar power has several problems:
Clouds for one, also solar power is very costly and low yield power wise. I personally think that we could cut down greatly on oil use if we all had solar panels on our roofs, but it would be expensive. I like the idea of building more dams, but it damages rivers very badly. Its controversial. Wind power looks interesting, newer wind mills can make more power and are cheaper than ever.

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Instar.... and then there is of course the giant buttered cat array. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif