(OT) Will we be Nuked?
 

Ok, the fear is that the evil dooers of the world are going to get a nuke bomb and use it against us. I fear this about as much as I fear crazed saber tooth kitten attacking me while I sun bath on a Big Red Party Barge. (Cruise ship)

What I fear most is a biological weapon. There is no way to detect if a person has one, unlike a nuke, and it can be released without any one knowing it for day or even weeks thus allowing the sick bastard who let it loose to escape.

We have detection equipment to detect radation, so the chance for a nuke to be used is remote, but a biological weapon, well, there is no detection equipment per say for that.

But regardless, $ crazy, money hog Famers fears we are going to be nuked so they have changed their auto insurance pricing plans. Go figure.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok now stay with me here folks.

"State Farm, the nation's largest auto and residential insurer, is changing its car insurance policies to clearly exclude claims stemming from nuclear explosions or radioactive fallout."

What part of this do you think is funny?

exclude claims stemming from a nuclear explosion or radioactive fallout.

Think about this for a second..............

Times up.. If it took you longer than a second to see the fundamental flaw in this, then you work for Farmers.

If a nuke goes off, WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO BE ALIVE TO FILE A CLAIM FOR THERE CAR IF IT IS DESTORYED BY A FRICKING NUKE? Chances are, the owner is dead to! Duhhhhhhh.

Um honey, that nuke destroyed our car, but by god we are safe. La'dedadada. Farms is run by Idiots!

[ February 28, 2003, 04:40: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

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I think you should worry more about what you eat...

... what happens if your wife or kid has your car... your outta the bLast range.. You live... Claim...

I suggest you move to another country... New Zeland or something. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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It's more about the "dirty nuclear devices" than an actual nuclear bomb. Pack TNT with radioactive medical waste and many square blocks would require clean-up for a while. The insurance company will not pay for radioactive fallout on your car. Most likely the government will disposed of your vehicle regardless of what you desire.

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Damn

Runs, shuts of nuke

Looks like I will find a new way to get my new car....

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nuklear bombs are not that difficult to build, especially if a government supports its research. The countries which have no nuke today will have one tomorrow. And then they will remember the big bad US.

Alone in the former sovjet republics there are launch devices with thousands of CBMs and ICBMs split up in several more or less stabile countries. (Ukraine, Kasachstan oder White Russia - anyone?) Each of these 3rd world nations have the capability to blow up the world several times.

Just because the medias hypes the B and C weaponry now dont be so sure that we will not be pulverized by A weapons. They are much more a danger in our world today than bio or chemweapons danger ever have been.

klausD

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bull****. All nuclear arsenal of former SU has been moved to Russia many years ago. Neither of other states has a single device or any weapon grade material.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The estate will make a claim, whether it is controlled by surviving relatives or a court.

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I agree that Bioweapons can be potentialy more deathly and easier to use than nukes, but a nuke will make headlines far more impresives, and that's why I believe a terrorist would prefer nukes over bio, though they certainly will use whatever they can get their hands to.
Nukes are out of the box, and its just a matter of time until 3rd world countries get them.

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I had a dream Last night that someone set off a nuke in my town. It was strange. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let me guess, you were up late watching Terminator 2 and eating cheese weren't you?

[ February 28, 2003, 16:30: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

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Big disappointments (No rankings, just titles as I recall them.)

1. Patriot - incomplete
2. Superpower - buggy
3. Civ III
4. Call to Power I
5. Hearts of Iron – buggy as hell, true greatness was fumbled
6. Creatures I, II & III – too cute, my kids drive me nuts with it
7. Battlcruiser 3000
8. Imperium (the only attempt at a 3D galaxy I’ve seen)
9. Age of Empires (don’t like RTS arcades; too fast; no pause for orders)
10. SM’s Alpha Centauri

Games I liked right out of the box (Not in order)

1. Conquest of the New World Gold
2. Star Fleet Command
3. Stars! – #1:The best ever MP, outstanding interface
4. Civ 3 PTW add-on w/ patch
5. Civ 2 - Liked it a lot
6. Civ 1
7. The Operational Art of War (all editions)– outstanding, #2 favorite
8. SE IV
9. Dungeonkeeper II – a hilariously engrossing jaunt
10. Tanks!
11. Harpoon
12. Medieval Total War – fun, mixed implementation, good interface
13. Reach for the Stars! (Ancient original edition on Apple II)

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Interesting post, Solops, but I think maybe you intended to put it in a different thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Personally, I have no fear of being nuked by the minions of evil. I think the risk was far greater during the Cuban missile crises and again during the 70's mid-east wars. While it could happen, it really would not be a viable solution for the involved parties. Remember, they are terrorists, not anarchists. The use of a nuclear devise against and American city would create a situation not unlike what occurred after 7 December, 1941.

Basic human rights would go out the window along with what little authority the UN has left. Rule of law would become rule of might. The third world would be returned to the client status that they once suffered under and the Super Powers would again rise up and dictate how the world was run. The US would blow through the Islamic world with little regard for human rights. This would then trigger China and Russia to begin securing their power bases. I think we can all imagine what would happen if a phobic Russia felt threatened by what they would see as American expansionism.

What it comes down to is the level of desperation that the Islamic power base feels. If the current world situation continues, they will gradually be forced to adopt basic human right for their people. This will dissolve their base of power and they will become a footnote of history. If they hold back the influx of western reform, then they hold on for perhaps 50 years. At that time the will have exhausted their source of income, and be unable to finance their reigns of terror. Either way, the current power base gets to live out their lives as elite members of their society. But if they commit an act of terror that causes America to hate them as we once hated Japan, then the probably don’t live to see the next decade.

By attacking Afghanistan, we have removed a major safe area once enjoyed by the extremists. And by removing Saddam, we will be able to create a democratic state in an area that has not been able to live under the rule of democratic law in a very long time. It would be hoped that this would lead to economic development just as it did in Japan. While it is a painful to chose this course of action, to not act could be much worse. Also, so long as the Islamic world resorts to terrorism, the Israeli problem will never be resolved.

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The problem with all that is that if there is a nuclear attack it will be from a terrorist organization, so there will be nobody to nuke back, and no country to overrun, just a shadowy terrorist group that have already managed to survive a year and a half of war with the US.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree regarding the Afghanistan change... but if the regime currently in power isn't propped up for a significant period of time, and more importantly, if the nation (re)building is not done in the right manner/is done insufficiently, then the prevalent (and obviously arguable) opinion held by many in the world will not change - that America does what's good for America, full stop. Don't get me wrong, I personally think that the issues are far broader than this, but it must be remembered that the World Superpower (Greece, Rome, Mongols, Great Britain, and yes, even the US) needs to 1) build peace, 2) develop others, 3) remain humble.

The US did a fine job of this in WWII (as has been said several times now in this thread). Yah! Applaud! Whooo-Hoo! I give credit where credit is due - the US is probably the first nation in the history of the world to engage in this type and scale of Nation Building, post-war. But that was nearly 50 years ago - half a century! The USA needs to continue in that type of diplomacy/international policy.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm confused as to why people think that a democratic country will be a friendly country. Democracies tend to be spineless when it comes to international intervention, and unbelievably selfish as well, not surprisingly becuase they are literally run by small, selfish, inwardlooking people - lots of them. This is true of Canada, the US, Norway, etc. This does not however make them friendly to one another! Look at Turkey for example, the average Joe in Turkey would like nothing more than the total annihilation of the USA, and if the military didn't keep a lid on things, you sure as heck wouldn't see American troops landing on their beaches to attack Iraq!!

Just my opinions,
jimbob

Edit: perhaps this should have been in the other OT thread regarding impending doom (Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation). Sorry if this post wasn't "Nukey" enough for ya.

[ March 02, 2003, 00:08: Message edited by: jimbob ]

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Aha! Looks like the Turkish gov't won't let the US drop troops on their soil after all!!

So much for the foreign policy of "if only we were all democratic, we'd all get along better" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Smirkingly yours,
jimbob

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jimbob... their is another vote.... I am guessing the right number of dump trucks with money did not show up.. * um * the lobby Groups were not in place http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><sigh> one of those days...no wonder it never showed up. At least I did not post an equipment bid.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think any superpower have ever been hummble. I guess is part of the human nature. The moment someone realize that they are "The most powerfull country in the world" the hummility goes down the drain.

Funny thing though, is how all of them believed that they were forever, and how easily the historians came later to explain their fall, and how nobody at their time was able to predict their fall untill it was too obvious and too late.

The study of Hegemons and Superpowers is fascinating.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll take my toys (and money) and go home! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Use this pic and you'll be nuked in SE4 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
http://se4kdy.cyberwars.com/temp/nuke_bigexplosion.bmp

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I love it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif