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TESSELLATE BETA 2.0.

After a long time working with only 2 AIs, finally decided to start a new one.
Why a new AI?
Well, honestly I was very impresed with the AI that Rollo did for the United Flora, and believed that using some of their ideas, I could create a decent Cristallurgy + Religious race.

The shipset was done by Gryphin and have 2 vital strong points to me: it's very nice and looks very cristallyne!

This is a Beta 2 Version, with the AI files that I'm using in the AI Deth Match 2 Contest. Then, sorry if still the RPG was not included (need to wait an answer from Rollo!).

Please report me any suggestion or bug that you could find!!!

Tessellate Beta2.zip

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Master Belisarius,
Thanks, I really apriciate your words. I'm playing against the AI now and expect a hard fought battle.
I also would love feedback.

[ February 28, 2003, 23:37: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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I've started 2 games with this race, a low tech medium galaxy one and a high tech small cluster one. I'll see how this race performs (and since i'm a newbie if they're anything as good as the Aquilean i'm gonna get pasted!)

I'll post my results soon

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Against me, they performed well... but as any "Combo" race, they need time to have their potential working. Considering this reason, and that most of the players gave bonus to the AIs, decided to optimize them to play with at lest "low bonus".

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Very nice shipset. Reminds me sort of of the Chenjesu, especially the race pic.

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Kodos:
If you are going to make an obscure reference, it would be best to say where it is from, so the rest of us aren't left scratching our heads.

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Chenjesu. A crystalline race from the great game Star Control 1 and they where mentioned in SC2.

The shape of the body, and of some of the Tessalate ships are vaugely similer.

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Heh this shipset is really good, yeah i gave the ai a high bonus for the high tech game, it seems to be holding out well in the low tech game but it's creaming me in high tech game. At first i felt cocky with my temporal shield accelerating anti proton beams dreadnoughts. A Tesselate dreadnought ship attacked a defense fleet of 3 dreadnoughts. one tessalate destroyed 1 and damaged 1 severly. I'm currently winning on points but when the ai comes for me i think i'm going to have a problem

Such is the life of a newbie http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Gryphin, seems people really like your shipset. With the addition of 'Master Belisarius's' AI, you are set! ARGH! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

There seem to be a couple of duplicate images in the zip!

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font>

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're right, I have played both games a long time ago. Really liked SC1, but SC2 was not the same.

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I insist that those redish backgrounds should be removed, they look really odd when randomly displayed during game setup and in stellar manipulation.

Do you think you were the first to think about adding backgrounds?

Other than that, really cool and original shipset, I didn´t have time to play against the AI but it sounds nice.

[ March 02, 2003, 15:59: Message edited by: Andr&eacutes Lescano ]

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Hey MB.

I know, SC2 wasn't the same, but it was better than SC3... *shudders*

They have made a FREE re-release of the 3DO Version of SC2 available. www.star-control.com

Alot of good info on there about Star Control.

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Andrés Lescano
RE: "redish backgrounds " I don't know if I was the first. I have never seen the idea before. I am open to releasing a "non background Version" if there is much interest. Hmm, ya know what, I'll do it even if know one else asks.

I’d love more feed back on “backgrounds” I’m not an artist and I have terrible vision so I do see things differently.

Lord Kodos
RE: “Chenjesu”. I don’t believe I ever played Star Control.

mlmbd
RE: Duplicate ships. Which ones are they? I’m glad we called it beta.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Yea, I knew that SC3 sucks... and for this reason never purchased it.

And thanks for the tip about the 3do Version for SC2! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

By the way: don't you recognize the "Aquilaeian" and "Pyrochette" pictures? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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downloaded.
first things first -- zip bugs
* Tessellate_Mini_Fleet..bmp (unneeded)
* Tessellate_Portrait_Fleet..bmp (unneeded)
* Tessellate_Main original.bmp (unneeded)
* Tessellate_Medium_TransportMedium.bmp (wrong name, unneeded)
* Tesselate_Mini_Dreadnaught.bmp (wrong name, unneeded)
* Tessellate_Mini_BattalShip.bmp (wrong name, unneeded)
* Tessellate_Mini_Blank.bmp (???)
* Tessellate_Portraint_Battleship.bmp (unneeded, wrong name)
* Tessllate_AI_Speech.txt (wrong name)

those are just things i've spotted.
Beautiful shipset, different from most and nice set. Looks good together.

* Battlecruiser stands out too much - only blue warship
* Troops could be better.

overall nice set. i'll play against them some time.

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Nice looking pics. I like the background. Instead of removing them I think more people should use them. I seem to recall a couple shipsets had them, but I can't remember off the top of my head.

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with Andrés, that doesn't look so well when the images are randomly displayed during the game setup.
But in the other hand, I like how they look in the game... then, I vote to keep the "redish backgournds". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If I'm not wrong, in the past the Colonials had a similar background.

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I also like the backgrounds. BTW MB where is that old image of the Pyrochette from? Not the heralds, the older one. It looks like Great Cthulhu in a hat!

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

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Taera
Thank you. I'll fix those right away.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif No, Lovecraft have nothing to do here! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Yea, the Pyrochette are the Heralds and the Aquilaeians the Exquivans. Always loved these pictures.

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Besides the old SC2 races, the Heralds are the only race I liked in SC3, and of course the Eternal Ones.

If the Pyrochette picture isint Great Cthulhu ((Eeea Eeea Cthulhu Fhtagn!)) in a hat, then where is the image from? you draw it yourself?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif This is a real joke! I can't draw a circle!!
As I told you, is a Herald's picture from SC2.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They don't look good in the game though.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They don't look good in the game though.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To you maybe. I disagree though. It's a personal preferance thing. I like the way they look in the game. The only place they look a little odd is during stellar manipulation. And that doesn't happen all that often.

One thing I might change though is that in some places you see the flag image superimposed over the shipset background. This looks a little off. You could fix that though by shifting the background image a bit so that the part that is covered by the flag is the same as the flag. Then it would not be noticable at all.

Geoschmo

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Imperator Fyron
Um, they don't look good in the game in terms of what?
Esthetics?
Visibility?
Accuracy?
Continuity?
Realism?
Can you be more specific please.
If it is accuracy or visibility then I will do something about it.

Thanks

Edit,
Thanks Geo, will do

[ March 03, 2003, 02:01: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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The flag over background thing is only a problem I think because the flag is so similer to the background. It makes it look out of phase or something. For another shipset with the flag and the the background are more different it wouldn't be an issue.

Geoschmo

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Backgrounds will look really bad when displayed in the left during game setup and in the Stellar Manipulation window (visible only in turn-based games)

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Would putting a black two pixle border help?

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MB i mean the old one. The one that looks like Great Cthulhu in a hat. Not the Herald.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not really.

The backgrounds clash with the rest of SE4 too much.

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The ship portrait is placed transpatenly over the star background in a similar to how mini pics are always used to make it look it's in the middle of space.

A background or if the whole ship does not completely fit inside the picture will ruin that effect.

A not defined border that blends into the star background may be more acceptable.

It's your choice if you want to keep a background that makes ships look crudely cropped in those situations that are not so common anyway.

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Andrés Lescano and Geo
Thanks for the comment and explanation. It is good input.

Imperator Fyron
"The backgrounds clash with the rest of SE4 too much."
Well I do want feedback and I do appreciate the input.
That was something of a categorical statement. Considering the sets you have indicated you like I suspect that even if they had a solid black background you would not care for it.

I’m working on a “Escherism” set. I wonder how folks will like it.

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Gryphin, Sorry, but I need to say this.

To Whom Ever: There is just one mini with the bright Background. I did one with and one without, Fleet_mini.bmp. So, you can chose which you like. If do not like the Bright Background delete it. The shipset will still work!

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font>

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mlmbd
no need to apologise. I'll put the second one back and add explanation to the readme.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Now I understand! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehehehehehehe. Believeme Geo: specially I liked this detail!!!!!!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with you here Andrés... but as you wrote later: "those situations that are not so common anyway".

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[quote]Originally posted by Master Belisarius:

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Kodos: [qb]MB i mean the old one. The one that looks like Great Cthulhu in a hat. Not the Herald.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Now I understand! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But where does it come from?

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[quote]Originally posted by Lord Kodos:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Master Belisarius:

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Kodos: [qb]MB i mean the old one. The one that looks like Great Cthulhu in a hat. Not the Herald.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Now I understand! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But where does it come from?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is this the picture you name "Great Cthulhu in a hat"? http://www.classicgaming.com/starcon...3/herald.shtml
They're the Heralds (Pyrochette).

If it's this other: http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/sc3/exq.shtml
They're the Exquivan (Aquilaeian).

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ARCK! lol no. i know my SC3 races. There is another Pyrochette portrait before the herald. It is not 3d, and is of a green alien with a face full of tentacles and a hat on his head.

That is why he is great Cthulhu in a hat. I want to now where this image came from.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehehehehe, is the original Pyrochette's picture. Was done by Joel Joines, the guy who did the complete Pyrochette's shipset.

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He drew it?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In theory yes. But I suspect that he got a pictue and changed it more or less to his taste.
The bad thing, is that I don't know how to contact him... because from some years ago he stopped to reply my mails, and I have lost their e-mail when my computer crashed.

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Cool Thanks.

BTW a shameless plug you may be interested in:I am working on a SC mod.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Sure, why not?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Huh? How does me posting that the background looks bad in-game make me not like the ship set? What does that have to do with other ship sets I like? I like nearly every ship set out there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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It shoudln't be too hard to make a two alternative Versions with and without background.
I'd also prefer the one without background.

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No, there isn't much to doing the Black Background set. If that is what Gryphin wants. I will do the images needed for a set with no backgrounds.

Everyone can be happy with the shipset. They make lots of different kinds of 'Ice Cream' for the same reason. Not everyone like just one kind! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font>

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We all know what happened to the car company whos founder said, "they can have any color car they want as long as it is black"

[ March 05, 2003, 21:36: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Fyron,
I'm probably way too sensitive and a bit paranoid. Would you like a backgroundless, (is that a word, it is now)?

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I like it with the background.

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I like it with the background as well.
It all really depends on the shipset. You have to have the right background with the right shipset to pull it off well. If you don't do this, it takes away from the orginal beauty of the set. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif