Should I or Shouldn\'t I?
 

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1046786112.BMP

Does this look like anything you recognize?

I am really mulling the idea over on whether or not I want to make a new set for this race. I have had this model around now for a while, pre-8472, just gave it a slight face lift.

What ship does it look like to you and what race does it belong to?

[ March 04, 2003, 14:01: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Umm, well, Klingon, obviously. I'm afraid I'm not Trekkie enough to be able to give you the class or anything like that, but it does look to me like the one in that stupid film about the whales...

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Looks like a Klingon Bird of Prey. ST IV:The Voyage Home, around then.

EDIT: Dang D.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ March 04, 2003, 14:06: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Geeze, must be one of those days for people to wake up on the wrong side of the bed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Bird of Prey - Class = B'Rel
(Klingon ST VI era.)

I also have the K'Vort, although it looks a lot like the B'Rel.

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I don't know what's the point of having wings in space.....
Unless for some reason the guns on the tips have a minimum separation distance.....
It looks kind of cool though.
But I would prefer a Naval looking ship.....like an Imperial StarDestroyer.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The horse nebulae ? Funny, that's a background I thought of for the pirates shipset...

Don't you think the pink/green mix is a bit...shocking http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ?

[ March 04, 2003, 14:26: Message edited by: trooper ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm working on that, Aloofi...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Could also be that IF you take out 1 gun there will be another on the other side where if they are together and get hit may loose them both

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, star ships WILL have wings in space http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Not for flying of course but for cooling. Imagine some future mighty space destroyer. It must have a very powerfull power plant or engine. However good is thermoisolation, some heat will leak to the hull. Now, the only way to dissipate it in vacuum is radiation. For that purpose ship should have a big surfice area, something like solar batteries on MIR or International Space Station. Or something different but very wing-like. IIRC, when people designed spaceship model for 2001:SpaceOdessey, they want to put big wing-like radiator pannel but it was rejected because audience who supposedly knows not very much about space travel might think it is "not realistic" and cheesy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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http://www.astmod.com/birdofprey.BMP http://www.astmod.com/kvort.BMP
http://www.astmod.com/birdofpreym.BMP http://www.astmod.com/kvortm.BMP

The B'Rel and the The K'Vort

The idea behind the wings in space, or at least on Klingon ships, is two fold. They give the vessel a theatening look, and both the B'Rel and the K'Vort are atmospheric vessels as well as space ships.

As far as naval looking ships go, check out these ships: Pandoran Ship Set

[ March 04, 2003, 15:04: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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Also, in that crappy film about the whales, I seem to remember the ship in question coming down into the atmosphere. Wings might be handy there, although I think in the real (ie not stat trek) future the idea of capital ships coming down for atmospheric travel is pretty ridiculous, at least until the technology gets so ridiculously advanced that things like air resistance and gravity could be almost completely nullified. Until then, stuff will be dragged up into orbit by space lifts or by specialised shuttles.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Playing some SFC3 on the side, have we? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Slick.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wow!
That is one of the coolest shipset yet!
Can I adopt it?
Where can I download it?
It says no download.......

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I am not so sure wings on spaceships can be passed off as being for atmospheric travel. For a wing to generate any lift at all it's got to be a particular shape. Otherwise it's at best useless, and at worst could cause extra drag and make atmospheric flight less efficent and harder to control. The ships all seem to get around in the atmosphere using their thrusters to generate lift and directional control just fine, so the wings are likely just for ornament or for other reasons like the heat disipation already mentioned.

There's also the Treknobable explanations about needing certain shapes and placements of interior components to generate the right shape of warp bubble or something.

Geoschmo
I'm not an Aeronautical Engineer, but I play one in the forum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thought you were going to say "...but I slept in a Holiday Inn Last night."

Slick.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe it's like a sycamore seed- so that when the engines fail the thing will spiral down through the atmosphere more graceful http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Aloofi

Thanks for the complement on the ship set.

Right now the set is an exclusive set for the story I am working on, (Once Upon The Stars - OUTS)

I have not put the set up for download because I have to establish a few facts in the story before I can give the race its history and society information.

I am writing that now, and will be posting the latest chapter to the story by this weekend, (hopefully if I don't go riding.)

But if you want them that bad, I will be more than happy to send you the file. NO AI for the race yet, so you'll also have to adopt an AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Wow i like these new ships, very cool. And i don't think the pink background and green ships don't match. It's a nice combo. Cool!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I just want the pics to use it as my race, if that is ok with you. It is not to put them in a mod or anything.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Playing some SFC3 on the side, have we? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Slick.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How does that fit in? Those ships were like that in the shows/movies, not just games. And besides, they were in BOTF long before SFC came out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just hope that the backgrounds are not present in the release of the shipset. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ March 04, 2003, 17:39: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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I don't know what the question is, but you definately should.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some people like the backgrounds. Those of us that aren't suffering under a conformist mental block can see the beauty in the diversity. Don't mind Fyron, he's just a shipset background nazi.

"No background for you! Next!"

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just hope they are in the full set. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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The ships look good albeit a bit blocky, but there's not much that can be done about that...

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Atrocities: The Pandorans look great IMHO!

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wow, those Pandorans are astounding! and a great story, too!

they would look great, in the same game with a couple other shipsets that I have. I dont know if these have been released yet, but one of them was codenamed BOB (hence the quote, "I bet Fyrons giving away bob, right now..") and he had two brothers. I really wish I had the third in the set, and the final Versions of the first two, if there were any changes.

And I really wish i had a copy of those Pandorans! Man, those look slick! Good job!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some people like the backgrounds. Those of us that aren't suffering under a conformist mental block can see the beauty in the diversity. Don't mind Fyron, he's just a shipset background nazi.

"No background for you! Next!"

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That particular background would look bad compared to the blue GUI of SE4 in the places where the images are displayed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Atrocities, have you thought about tweaking then before releasing the Pandorans? The BC, BS, DN, and the Baseship seem a bit messy IMHO.

[ March 05, 2003, 01:55: Message edited by: TerranC ]

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I am always tweaking things http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Can you be more specific about what you mean though. That could really help me fine tune the set.

Thanks

NOTE:
I need email address to send set. send me email. atrocities@astmod.com

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Atrocities: Began work on Bob Benton Last night, he's starting to take shape.

Oh, and speaking of BOB (Not Bob) ... TC, I forgot where we were. I'll mail you.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fyron, is there a shipset background that could fit the game exept the entire black one ?

I'm asking that cause I'll have to make a choice for my pirate shipset.

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What you could do, in theory, is this:

Create a shipset with 128x128 block of Bright blue for all the ships. Then play a game using that set so that you can open the stellar manipulation screen and see where the background has to merge with the ship image. Alt-printscreen it to get an image.

Now you can build a background that merges seamlessly into the stellar manipulation screen.

Not sure it will work for the race selection screen though...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">IMHO, the ships I mentioned below just seem to have too many things sticking out of the main hull. I think they would look a lot better if those hardpoints were to be reduced.

This is only my humble opinion, mind you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

and here's my current email adress (without spaces)

t o m m a h a w k _ b e t a @ h o t m a i l . c o m

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Arghh, will the story end now??
I was looking forward to months and maybe years of reading!
It's the best SE4 story I've read so far IMO.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fyron, is there a shipset background that could fit the game exept the entire black one ?

I'm asking that cause I'll have to make a choice for my pirate shipset.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not really. The ships need to be masked in too many places for a background to work.

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i dunno, TC. I think they look okay. do you want them to be bigger around, instead of wider? or taller, maybe?

I like them the way they are.