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All I can say is WOW after getting my copy of SE4Gold in the mail just this week...I consider myself a gamer geek and am very up to date on mainstream video games (IGN, Videogames.com, etc). But somehow this AMAZING game, SE4Gold, never showed up on my radar.

Now I wonder what other great games that I may have missed simply because they aren't published by one of the big guys. I love just about every type of game (from RPG to FPS to RTS)...

What else have I been missing? I find SE4Gold's graphics just fine... I'm not one of those gamers that is fixated on the BEST graphics....

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Check out Battlefront.com. They sell wargames, and every once in awhile you'll see a review of one of their games in PC Gamer. I even bought one of their games, but I can't remember the title right now.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where do you hang out on the WEB?
Maybe I will visit and plug SEIV. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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http://www.battlefront.com

Check out Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

Its won TONS of awards, as did the first one. Search around for reviews.

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Another GREAT game, especially if you liked X-Com is Laser Squad Nemesis.

http://www.lasersquadnemesis.com

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's true, it is a great game. Check it out!

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how bout any single player games? This game does look amazing, but I'm not much into MultiPlayer.

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I think one of the BEST games bar non (besides this one) is Steel Panthers World at War...you can get it free...not sure of the adress. If you want realistic Squad Level fighting this is the one. We are actually using this game for trainin in the Marine Corps, as well as several other nations. It has it all...A Must have.

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I've never played it, but a lot of people rave about Dominions. Anyone ever play it?

http://www.illwinter.com/dominions.html

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Dominions looks cool...

I'm not too into the tank games though.

Thanks!

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Combat Mission
Avernum
Tigers On the Prowl

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What do you need another game for though? You have SEIV http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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though some say you cant get enough of it i know thats not true so variety is always a good thing.

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Steel panthers is really fun. Used to play it alot a couple of years ago.
Now the basic game is free as stated below, previous it was a full price game. Both single player and multiplayer. http://www.matrixgames.com/games/WorldAtWar/

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just looked at this and I was all set to download it... until I noticed it was a - get this - a 430 Meg download.

Yep 430,000,000 bytes of info!

I only have a 56K modem - about 15 Meg/hour on a good connection. 430/15 = about 30 hours!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

NOT BY ME - NOT IN THIS LIFETIME!

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Yep, Steel Panther World at War is to my opinion the best tactical wargame you can get.

AND IT IS FREE !!

What you must pay are the Mega Campigns, some dynamics add on campaigns retracing 6 to 10 months of a particular phase of the war. At the moment, there are 3 mega campaigns, one as germany in north africa, another with germany in 41 on the eastern front, and the Last one with US troops in guadalcanal. So far, north africa was a bLast of mobile warfare, eastern front was a bloody and harsh struggle and I am still in close combat in guadalcanal with US troops fightings japonese, climat and diseases. I bought all these more than 1 year ago.

Speak about longevity. Matrix is another company doing some great job.

You'll also find good forums with plenty of map/scenarios designers, willing to help and nice to newbie.

The only thing that may be a problem for Matrix is their Art Of Wargaming forum, which is a free for all place where extreme opinions are very frequent. I fear this particular forum could be a nuisance to Matrix's reputation. But I maybe wrong, and that does not change the fact that Matrix game does some great games I love to play as much as SE4.

Let's just say it is a very good thing that widely different opinions has been expressed in SE4 forum without harsh or hate words.

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Another way is to use a download manager. That way it downloads in the background everytime you go on-line. It might take you some weeks but eventually you'll have it at home. I used to do that when I had a modem in the pre-historic age http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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I have to start by saying that I love strategy and micromanagement. To that end, this game, Knights and Merchants, from a German publisher, really impressed me. The story is rather linear, on the first Version, but was still really fun to play (and difficult). I enjoyed it enough that I bought the sequel and it is written all in German which I do not understand. The sequal allows for single scenarios, mutiplayer, and a new linear campaign. I know Amazon sells it, might be found elsewhere as well.

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Steel Panthers looks ok. Reminds me of one of my all time favorite series: Close Combat.

Are there any games like Close Combat out there that I am unaware of?

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Go to Crisium.com and get the Stars! demo. You'll love it. It's a 4X grand strategey game, but it's a little on the low tech side. the full Version has up to 26 tech levels in 6 fields, and huge 16 player galaxies. After playing it you'll cry because they haven't released Stars! Supernova Genesis.

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What about Titans of Steel? I had the Last free Version they put out (1.4?) before they joined Matrix Games. There seemed to be a lot of noise about it then, but I haven't heard much since. Did it flop, or is it still going well? (Or does anyone else even play it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

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Taz we can mail it to you...

Just send a PM to some one with fast connection

I have the game as well...

I taught my MOM how to do a hard flank attack with t-34's timed with smoke and dropping off the eng's for that close combat feel....

QUite effective.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Earlier in this thread someone mentioned Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin, available from Battlefront.com. I haven't played that one (the second in the series), but I have played Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord (the first in the series). Combat Mission is tactical combat, like Close Combat, and it has a great system combining turn based strategy with real-time 3D combat. I would highly recommend these games.

[ March 14, 2003, 03:27: Message edited by: Chronon ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Earlier in this thread someone mentioned Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin, available from Battlefront.com. I haven't played that one (the second in the series), but I have played Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord (the first in the series). Combat Mission is tactical combat, like Close Combat, and it has a great system combining turn based strategy with real-time 3D combat. I would highly recommend these games.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, it's a spectacular series. CMBB is a nice improvement to the first game, which was really extremely good.

PvK

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Ahh, we're talking Stars here.
What about VGA Planets 4?
Anyone tested that yet? (I haven't, not ver 4)

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I dunno if you consider a non-combat application a 'game' or not, but there's a pretty nice, totally FREE space-flight simulator to be had at www.orbitersim.com (this automatically forwards you to the more complex 'real' URL). It's been in development for years, with constant updates and improvements just like SE IV. The system requirements are remarkably low for a real-time simulation, too. Any computer assembled in the Last 5 years ought to be able to run it. If you have a high-end video card there are some special (very large) textures you can download to enhance it.

[ March 14, 2003, 17:47: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

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i've tried downloading world at war at both the us mirrors and both times the file has an error and wont unpack. i wouldnt recomend anyone to waste their time.

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got mine to work just fine Last night...took all night evev w/ cable modem since it dloads slow from the server...unpacked the zip file and installed...plan on looking at the game some this weekend.

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Thanks for the info on SP:WAW. I used to play Avalon Hill's Squad Leader with a friend in a college on the weekends. I downloaded SP a few days ago and am getting upset that I don't have more time to play it. I never thought a game would ever compete with my time with SEIV. SEIV is still great, just having a flashback to younger years of cardboard counters, dice, and rule books that fit into several 3-ring binders.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well well, what do you know, Steel Panthers is still being talked about. I was on the art team that did the graphics for Steel Panthers 1 and 2. My fingerprints are on just about all the tanks, some of the interface and I did about a third of the terrain tiles!

I'm glad to hear that people are still enjoying it!

Cheers!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ahh, VGA Planets. The Last time I played that was about 8 years ago when I found the demo on a BBS Site http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

It's a shame there isn't a Demo of the current Version (at least none that I could find). This is one game i'd buy if I could test it out first, since the initial Version I played oh-so-long-ago blew me away.