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In my opinion, yes it is. Of course, people responding to this will probably say B5 is, personally I couldn't watch more than five minutes of that show. A few reasons why it is the best:

1. Best acted Scifi ever! That includes movies and TV. Ben Browder has been screwed out of an Emmy for three years now. Claudia Black is sexy as hell and is also getting screwed by the Emmys. The two have unbeliveable chemistery, and the cast is the best ensamble cast on TV today.

2. Best Anti-Hero. Crichton starred the series out as a peace loving, innocent guy, then went insane, became a psychopathic killer, got cloned, became a drug addict, and then evolved into a cold, almost stoic killer. He's killed more people than any TV character that I can remember, and he dosen't even kill for a cause, he just kills to save his *** or one of his friends.

3. Best Evil race: The Scarrens make the Dominion and the Borg look like boy scouts! Virtually indestructable, strong as hell, emit metal/flesh melting heat, and have mental powers. Plus, they don't simply wish to conquer the galaxy, they wish to exterminate all sentient life as well.

4. Best damn story lines. Again, I never watched B5, and I couldn't stand Star Trek (except DS9), but Farscape has great story arcs, some that span multiple seasons.

5. The Kurt Cobain/Elvis advantage: Since the show was cancled two thirds of the way through, it automatically gets a bonus. Like the original Star Trek.

6. Been ripped off: Firefly was a blatant ripoff of this show, and thankfully, it quickly failed. The crapfest that is MOO3 also stole alot from Farscape (as well as every other Scifi series and the game still sucked). They turned the Sakkra from a bunch of normal Reptiles into a race of Scarren ripoffs, and the Grendal or whatever race looks freakishly like them. Plus, the MOO story seems to have the same obsession with wormholes.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's not a good enough cause for you?
Yikes!

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I like Farscape, but the show that I like the most atm is Stargate-SG1. I just started watching it on Sci-Fi channel on Monday nights, they have 4 episodes, from the beginning (haven't missed a night yet). But I got a chuckle of the episode of Farscape when Crichton was in Aeryns body, what a hoot.

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Sorry, but the best Sci-fi series ever is Red Dwarf.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you prefer 'straight' sci-fi then I think the general situation is analagous to that with sci-fi movies. The majority are so cringe-makingly awful that a merely bad one is a relief. And a good one seems like the best thing you ever saw. I'm saying this as someone who actually LIKES sci-fi - it's a shame that the best books so rarely get translated.

I really haven't seen enough of Farscape to lump it in with that generalisation. But I was astonished that a movie as poor as 'Stargate' actually got a spinoff series. I thought it was straight-to-video garbage, but I guess a significant number of people disagreed with that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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No, the best Sci-Fi series ever is Babylon 5. Farscape is too ridiculous at many times. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ March 14, 2003, 23:53: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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LEXX OWNS ALL OTHERS MWUAH HAHAHAHAA http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

I kill you all in the name of his Divine Shadow!!!

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The answer to the topic is 'no'.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is most definitely the answer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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wow Fryon and Kwok agree with something

Wow Fryon and Tesco agree with something

Will Kwok and Tesco ever disagree with something

Go Leafs Go

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Yeah, it is a pretty rare occurence. Now, there is no telling whether we would agree on the answer to what the best sci-fi show is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I already told you all LEXX is the best SIFI show ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif , that or Mystery Science Theater 3000.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">MST 3K is a great comedy show, sure. LEXX is trash tv, not technically classifiable as Sci-Fi. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Everyone who has ever posted on this form about the best SciFi show is wrong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif (except me) It's the new Outer Limits. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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It is a toss betwen Bab5 and Red Dwarf, IMO.
ST:TOS is brilliant too but I don't care for sequels

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Outer Limits is awesome. But since it isn't about a consistent cast of characters, I think it should be put in its own class--e.g. anthology? So, you would compare Outer Limits to Twilight Zone, etc. Of course, that is just one way of thinking about it.

I like Babylon 5 the best. It seems pretty rare to have five? years of episodes all internally consistent and all advancing one plot. I still can't imagine how JMS pulled it off.

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Does X-files count as Sci-Fi? I don't really like personally but I'm just making suggestions.

This makes me want to see more B5, does it come on Sci Di network any more or did they get rid of it?

EDIT: I just remembered, if Cowboy Bebop counts it is definitely in the top 5(might not count cause it's Anime, but it still kicks ***).

[ March 15, 2003, 06:44: Message edited by: Hugh Manatee ]

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Just wanna reply to the topic, No way! I could see three episodes and then I just couldn't take anymore, it was bad.

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If we eliminate shows like "Twilight Zone" and "Outer Limits," which I think is a legitimate exclusion because anthology shows are vastly different than ones with continuing characters, etc., and, if we eliminate "X-Files," which could also be legitimate as many of the shows were more horror than SF, then I'd have to agree that "Farscape" is number one. Of course, tv SF is even worse than movie SF, so this might not be saying much, but I think that "Farscape" easily beats most movie SF also. I'm sorry it's being cancelled.

As for MST3k, it's possibly my favorite show ever, but it doesn't seem fair to compare it to "normal" SF series.

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Farscape doesn't have much when compared to Babylon 5. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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For me, the best is B5 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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B5 for continuous plot line. but doctor who overall.

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I liked Star Trek the best, mostly DS9 and TNG, not so much the others, although they've had moments.

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I would have to vote for Babylon 5 as well.
No other SciFi series has come as close to a cohesive compelling saga as this one did.
Making the story from projecting Biblical stories, UFO speculations, etc. from our own understanding and crafting it all into a SciFi story line was quite clever and well done. And even if I don't agree fully with the ideas behind the show, I still love it for it's ability to maintain a fairly tight and interesting story line, in which doesn't stray much over the 5 years... bar the first telepath leaving the show.

- Star Trek (the original) is had to compare anything else to it, considering Lost in Space was it's same time/age comparison. It still holds up fairly well today, even though a bit simplistic. If we didn't have this show, how many people would really be SciFi fans today?.. in that, SciFi is much more accepted in the mainstream today because of this show. As I recall, to people in the early 70s still thought of SciFi fans as geeks, etc. Today it's not only acceptable, it's a sign of character.
- Star Trek TNG and deep space 9, etc. all have had their moments of greatness in parts, but the parts don't live up to the sum of the whole for me, not as well as the original Star Trek did.
- Farscape was very interesting to me in the first year, but it quickly got to be too cheesy for my tastes in a final years of Xena sort of way, if you know what I mean.

Just my two cents, gonna stop here. Too many other shows to comment on, but wanted to vote for babylon 5.

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Bab5 was best, but Farscape comes a very close second for me. Most other scifi series are pretty sucky imho.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Really? I think tv scifi has much more scope to develop characters and stories than film. Bab5 and farscape for example=-)

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I saw the word 'ever' and I wanted to bring up Space 1999 and Star Trek Original series.

I like FarScape but sometimes I cant handle some of the hard to believe, even if scifi, tangents it goes out on. Would I call FarScape the best "hardcore" scifi...no.
Babylon 5 was great. To bad it is gone.
I watch Stargate and I like it. I kinda get upset when they go off on tangents to the main plot of the Gou'ald (hope spelled correct). Like X-Files...we want to know about the alien plot and then there is this episode of a liver eating maniac...did the aliens put him on our planet? Suckin us in they are.

What would you consider the best SciFi game ever?

But....wasnt this question asked in another post. I think I remember...

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i liked bab5 but the acting was not very good.

And then their was the build up build up... Sugar were outta money... Silly ending...

If you could combine Bab5 with the acting from DS9 and take the best script writers from both you would have a good show.

I really enjoyed the X Files...

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Whether or not Farscape is (was) the best ever, I don't care, I enjoyed it and am saddened to see it go. For me it's like reading a good book and that sense of loss when it's done.

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Thunderbirds!

It was sci-fi. They had laserpistols and rocketplanes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I like Bab 5 and Farscape both. Both were well acted and well written. I thought Farscape did drift a little in the middle, but a few episodes of Bab 5 did that too.

One SF series that I liked initally was Sliders.
Great premise and the first season was innovative and well acted. Unfortunately, the series went seriously downhill thereafter. My guess is it just became a cash cow and was left to rot to death! Rhys Davies knew when to bail...

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I think we can pretty much agree, that atleast Farscape had the best acting of any Scifi series. Who knows what kind of bad *** story lines we will miss because of Sci-Lie. Again I personally couldn't stand the cheesy acting of B5 or the entire race of Napolean look-alikes, but maybe I'm retarded. Well, I'll enjoy the Last ep and pray that someone picks the show up.

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The acting in Farscape was not that great.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The original series opener/pilot/movie/whatever was briliant. The whole story arc with His Divine Shadow had me rivited. I can't tell you how disappointed I was when it degenerated into a soft-core porn/comedy mish-mash. It had the potential to be something really epic. I still watch when I can. I managed to catch most of the Prince story arc and that came close to regaining some of what they had in the beginning. Haven't seen it in a while though.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">B5 to me didn't have very good acting. It was a good show. Just poorly acted. I think Farscape did a little bit, not much mind you, but a little bit better.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I disagree. I think the acting in FS was spot on.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There were some dodgy bits (especially in the first series) but as the story progressed and the actors got comfortable in their characters I found most of it good. In particular I thought Londo, G'Kar, Vir, Ivonova and Garibaldi really brought the show to life.

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What about War of the Worlds, Dr. Who?

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I thought the acting in Bab5 was pretty good. As the previous person pointed out, particularly for those people. My Favorites, in acting, were the Narn and Londo and his assistant. They accomplished, what I believe, is exactly what was meant to be accomplished. If they didn't say and act their parts out exactly as they did, the shock just wouldn't be the same. That is, if you follow through the seasons, what you thought about the Narn ambassador and Londo by season 3 and 4 is totally different (maybe even reversed) from what you thought of them at the beginning. In a way, it was really awesome to see the various ambassadors and companions develop over the series.

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In no specific order:

X-Files
Star Trek TNG
Gundam
Outlaw Star

Uhh do the Last two count? Their anime lol

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Ok, to all those people who said Star Trek The Original Series:

What are you thinking??? I used to watch it when I was younger, but now it is like watching GIjoe, it is just impossible to take it seriously. Most of the Acting was terrible, the plots were often rediculous and poorly thought out...

I was just about to go on a long rant, but I decided against it, lets just say, I don't like Star Trek.

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Kodos: Of course they are Sci Fi!

X-files started out good, but it ended poorly. It just became the same old tripe crap, and the finally, while an excellent ending, was poorly executed.

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I think 'good' acting in any sci-fi series is rare unless used in a relative sense.

ZeroAdunn:

I agree about the original Star Trek, while good for its era, I can't understand these people who still hold it with such reverence! Especially the canon junkies who maintain that all Star Trek continunity must follow TOS or else it sucks etc, huh? The friggin' original crew didn't even know what orgranization they worked for half the time!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">actually the stories were fairly well thought out. most of them had a "moral of the story" aspect to them. i disagreed with some of them, but the were there. i am not overly concerned about acting unless it is truly horrible. in most series i have watched the 1st season is horribly acted, at least when they reshow it, as the people have not gotten into their characters yet. st:tng is a good example of this. (at least the first few episodes of it anyway)
edit: i guess my sights are not set that high, i would prefer a series with reasonable plot, not horrible acting, some originality, a bit of glitz every once in a while. i have seen series (not necessarily sci-fi) that have 2-3 of these and lack in the others and i lose interest in them quickly. guess it is kind of bad when i would settle for good instead of excellent.

[ March 17, 2003, 20:30: Message edited by: desdinova ]

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I think that may be part of the point. I think I can sort of understand why people may side with the original series as opposed to the newer ones. The reason is not necessarily due to the level of realism, but due to the entertainment value.

Sure there was overacting and such, but that's the charm. In the original series, there was a whole lot more "saying what everybody is thinking" than TNG or anything that follows. There's definite entertainment value when somebody does something you think is odd or stupid, and the onscreen presence just goes out and says what you're thinking, "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?" The way they plain defied any kind of proper military ediquette and never had the need to throw a barrier of tact between what they thought and what they said. It may not be what you can consider a building block of proper sci-fi, but it certainly puts a smile on your face. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But the only thing that some people had issues with stuff like TNG was that in the original series almost every unique problem had a unique solution. Some solutions, as weird as they seemed, showed some wild and exciting footage (often quite risky). And people just didn't like the small fact that after a certain amount of seasons, TNG solved 80% of its problems with Tachyon beams (whatever polarity setting you used). Heck, it seems that the best loved episodes were the ones that Tachyons didn't save. Like the Borg. An entrance that was so profound because, for once, they had to pull manuevers like the old show.

Strangely enough, perhaps its that very reason why the original cast has a deeper place in many people's hearts than anybody newer than them. And as much I agree that the acting may have been more proper in newer ST shows, I just can't seem to remember anybody else as fondly or vividly as the original cast. The battle between Heavy (Heavy meaning over-pronounced) acting and easily identifiable characterizations versus Better Acting but more Subdued characterizations. That's definitely opinion-making material, as people will honestly sit on both sides of the fence.

[ March 17, 2003, 20:52: Message edited by: Foiden ]

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GREAT GHOST OF DOOKY! I forgot the best sci fi show ever to exist.

Invader Zim!

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I still haven't seen Invader Zim. I did hear good things about it, though I still have no idea what it is about.

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Invader Zim is not sci-fi, it is a comedic cartoon.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Even though it's not sci-fi, Invader Zim is awesome. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I have a few clips of it on my computer.

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I did not make a value judgement of the show, just a statement about it not qualifying as sci-fi. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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ST:TOS vs. ST:TNG is almost a religious war kinda division. I have many friends who absolutely loved TOS but can't stand TNG. My friends who like TNG will still watch TOS but feel that is is a bit flat. The stories in the original series always had just a single plot line, and the characters showed much less depth. But there was more action. The Next Generation typically had three plots going on, and we got to see more character development. But, of course, there wasn't as much action in many episodes.

I like Star Trek: The Original Series before they had fleshed out the Prime Directive. There is an episode where Kirk tells Scotty to "glass" the planet if he doesn't hear back from Kirk. I enjoyed that episode. Then again, Riker's dreadnaught Enterprise in the final TNG episode was nice as well--as were the one shot, one kill weapons in the final episode of V'ger.

I'm a pretty big Star Trek fan but still think B5 is a better choice for best sci-fi series because it's darker and more representative of how I see the human race in the future. The whole "money isn't important" idea of Star Trek is a little too touchy feelie idealistic for my taste.

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i mention how the Vectorian Armada is based of the Irken "BIG SPACE SHIP...GANG!" "You mean the Armada?"

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know you didn't. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I was just stating how I liked it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif