[Newbie PBW] Master of Orion 3
 

Newbie game on PBW: Master of Orion 3

"You are Overlord of your domain. The planets populace worship you as a god. Crime has been eliminated, work is plentiful, disease is unheard of and money is no longer needed in your utopia. Suddenly the skys around your planet grow dark, storms light up the sky and the earth trembles. Your people grow afraid and look to you to solve the problem. A screaming like no other fills the planet, seeming to be everywhere at once, it almost makes you believe the tales of the banshee wail of 'Bhritny Spirs' the Death Goddess. Your scientists work feverishly to understand the screaming, if indeed it is a communication from above or below. Then as sudden as it started it stops, the night sky clears and you see strange stars and constellations above you. The universe is no longer a friendly place. Your scientists have your answer.

"I come from Beyond! You have been selected to do battle in this realm with others of your kind. Beings of this small dimension. Survive and wonders of your wildest dreams shall be yours, or fail and your names shall be as dust to the solar winds. Out there also is the planet of the Ancients : Orion. A marvellous world of metal and machinery. This may be the key to your victory. Go now, time grows short"

Your people tremble but are stout of heart. This world and its wonders will be yours and your enemies shall be trampled beneath the feet of your armies!

OK this is a basic SE4 Gold 1.84+TDM Modpack 3.30 game. 10 Players plus some modpack AI's of the very annoying kind. There is a SPHEREWORLD out there somewhere (Orion!), as is a Ringworld hidden as well. The universe is not as you know it, systems may not behave as they usually do. You have been warned. Alliances and roleplay are welcomed, winner shall be determined by the virtue of surviving everyone else. The Sphereworld is not a requirement for winning, just a help/hinderance along the way.

The Sphereworld is ROCK/OXY but the map will be of 'equal' other planets.

Starting resources:100000
Starting planets: 1
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Own
Technology level: Low
Racial points: 2000
Quadrant type: Special
Quadrant size: Special
Event frequency: Low
Event severity: High
Technology cost:Medium
Victory conditions: Last man standing or Majority Vote.
Maximum units: 20000
Maximum ships: 20000
Computer players: Special
Computer difficulty: MEDIUM
Computer player bonus: NONE
Neutral empires: NO
Other game settings: INTEL ALLOWED

PLEASE NOTE WHICH SHIPSET YOU ARE USING, DUPE'S WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. TURNS WILL BE 48HRS, THOSE WHO MISS 4 TURNS IN A ROW WITHOUT DUE NOTICE WILL BE KICKED, AS WILL ANYONE WHO 'CHEATS' (PRE-GAME ALLIANCES ETC.)

SURRENDER IS DISALLOWED.
NO TRADE ARE ALLOWED WITH THE AI'S.
TECH TRADES BETWEEN PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

I will create the map, admin the game but will not play it. This is a newbie game, so the AI are medium difficulty and NO BONUS. I do not expect them to be a problem after middle game. All players are invited to write down their race's description, and stick to it.

This game was first created and run by Deathstalker under the 'Return to Orion' name. It was huge fun (despite the beating we endured http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), so with the MOO3 disaster, it is a good time to show all MOO3 refugees which sort of game MOO3 should have been. Kudos to Deathstalker for the original idea....

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Last, should a player need any help/information just leave a message in the Master of Orion 3 PBW forum, I will get on to it.

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PBW forums are still currently broken. Perhaps another means of communication should be used.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What about Non-Tech trades? Population for example. Ship trades could be a problem because they could be analyzed.

Final question. If I turn on all ministers and click end turn; Will I win? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Sounds interesting! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Very interesting! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

What about replacement players?

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The game button to trade technology will not be available. But players can trade ships, resources and everything they can agree on. Just don't do it versus the AI.

The AI is too dumb to distinguish a bod from a good deal.

As for Britney Scream, it was a text from Deathstalker...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">?

The game hasn't started yet.

But anyway, there is still a bug in the PBW interface. I cannot accept new players. It is aknown bug due to problems experimented by the server some days ago.

So when we have reached a suffisant number, I will ask the PBW admin to accept all players.

[ March 17, 2003, 20:06: Message edited by: Unknown_Enemy ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you were at war against me and Alpha Kodiak, like in the original game by Deathstalker, then you would probably win http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif .

But as we are not playing in this one, you would loose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you were at war against me and Alpha Kodiak, like in the original game by Deathstalker, then you would probably win http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif .

But as we are not playing in this one, you would loose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I still have scorch marks on the walls of my office from the abuse my fleets took in that one! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He meant, "what procedures are you going to have for finding replacements if and when people drop out of the game? What will be done with turn processing while looking for replacements? etc."

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is not neccesary. You can accept players yourself. You will get a 500 error, but they will be accepted. Once you have them accepted at some point later they will revert to pending if the players don't upload their empires right away. To avoid this after you have them accepted go to the game admin screen and hit the button to "Update Options". You don't have to change anything, just hit the update button.

Geoschmo

[ March 17, 2003, 23:19: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DUUUUHHHH !
I will evaluate the position of his empire. If it is hopeless, I will mark it as dead. If not, I would say we'll wait a max of 3 days while advertising to find areplacement. If no replacement come out you'll have another AI to trample.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DUUUUHHHH !
I will evaluate the position of his empire. If it is hopeless, I will mark it as dead. If not, I would say we'll wait a max of 3 days while advertising to find areplacement. If no replacement come out you'll have another AI to trample.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fyron got it right. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Possibly our host hasn't read the postings in the Newbie Galactic Conflict threads.

In a nutshell, the game was cancelled because of 7 or 8 players had the same IP addresses in Russia. Most of them came into the game as replacement players.

The evidence points to one or more players running 2 or more empires. This is clearly illegal.

But there is another aspect of the game which is not normally addressed. The replacement player can be encouraged to join by another player for the purpose of forming an alliance against others. This is not illegal but is considered by most players to be improper. The fact that the two empires are located side by side makes them a very powerful alliance.

I was blockaded in a corner by such a powerful alliance and I really do not want to repeat the experience. And, I wasn't the only one, apparently the Fiery Gekhos found themselves in the same position.

A much fuller explantion of this phenomina is given in the Newbie Galactic Conflict threads.

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Hmm...
Most of the time, there will be alliances in the game. It is a vital part of the game.

If an alliance decided in game cornered you and killed you, well I am sorry to hear but that's the game. The only problem I would see is that you could be cornered so easily. Problem of player placement then.

On the newbie galactic conflict problem, I am afraid if it cannot be detected by the email adresses, then it is a game killer. Any suspicious behavior should be reported ASAP.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, alliances are part of the game. And a fun part of the game too. I like the diplomatic aspects of it.

But as I pointed out in the NGC thread, there is a fundamental difference between an original player and a replacement player.

An original player has to take the "luck of the draw" of placement. So, two players who want to enter into a symbiotic alliance may find themselves separated by other empires and thereby unable to have an effective alliance.

Not so, with a replacement player. Stalin and I found ourselves with an abandoned empire positioned besides our oun. Stalin and the replacement player live in Russia and Stalin admitted he knows the replacement player.

It is possible the replacement player was not a warm body.

But warm body or not, an empire with whom I had a good relationship, immediately turned into an implacable enemy.

Now, this could happen with a "non-aligned" player. But it is virtually certain to happen if I do not have good relations with the original player of the symbiotic alliance who is willing to use unfair means to win.

Essentially there is no randomness of the placing of the replacement player as there is with the original players.

Now, I have a choice. I could do the same thing as Stalin when a replacement player is needed.

That would be improper. And I choose not to win by unfair means.

But I also have no desire to lose by improper means.

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But honestly, I think you went into a bit of bad luck. We do not get such cheaters very often. Most of the time cheating someone is just another word for deceiving/lying on the diplomatic part of the game (Copyright Kutuzov, PBW Paranoia TM http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). I'll try to be very careful on replacement players, but should your cheater have been a bit more careful, he would have stormed the game without any possibility for you to understand what was going on.

Last, I prefer a max of 10 players. You have less dropout then.

PS : Atrocities, you are NOT a newbie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Now fill that game players !

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Forgive my ignorance, but I have never played a pbw game before.

Anyways, I have two questions

1. Is it acceptable to play one of the standard races from the TDM-ModPack and just put my password on it or should I make my own from scratch?

2. If I do make my own how do you know what ship set I am using from the emp file?

Thanks

Ron

PS: The pbw server appears to be down, so I can add a race just yet.

[ March 20, 2003, 20:16: Message edited by: Ron Coit ]

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Welcome aboard Ron Coit, as this game has been made especially for people new to PBW, there is nothing to forgive.

1 You can do both. Take a race from TDM, or create a new one from scrap. As you want.

2 You will tell us !

Let's assume you will create a race. When you are done, you will save it in a new file.

After being accepted on the game, you will have a button to upload your empire file. Pressing that button will bring you to a screen in which you will be able to
a - upload your empire
b - fill your password for the PBW system
c - indicate which shipset you are using

This is the easiest way to do it.

But it is very important to read the PBW FAQ. Some good people did put lots of efforts in it, and lots of useful informations.

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I would be willing to play. I have only done one other PWB game with original SE4. Only one question.

About how long would you expect this game to Last time wise... how many months etc... had to quit Last game due to big move and might have similiar several months into the future.

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original game Lasted for 6 months before a winner was declared.

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WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

MOO3 IS BETTER THAN SE4

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