Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Should the following threads be moved to shrapnel general

[OT] Another heated discussion about the Iraq siutation.

[OT] Captured Troops

Debate on North Korea.

Should all future topics related to war be moved to Shrapnel General

The reason why I post this is because only a few people are taking part in these dicussions and perhaps they should be in the general section

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Personally, I really do not see a problem.

Maybe a quarter of the threads have little or no relationship to the game.

Yet they persevere. And some have quite a following.

Technically, they should all be removed. Yet, they seem to serve a social purpose in that the participants get to know each other.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Moving the threads to the general forum will just kill them off.

Banning all threads about things that really matter from the SEIV forum is nothing less than censorship.

We all have free will and can skip those threads we don't want to read.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

I don't follow any of the threads. It does not bother me that they are there.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

I don't see the need to move the threads, the best way to discourage threads like that is not to participate. If the threads are generating interest and getting lost of Posts, then the threads obviously serve a pourpos.

Consider this a pennies worth of thought! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Cheers!

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Theoretically, yes.

Practically, it would be easier to just post a link to the threads here, and you wouldn't need to bump it ever 2 hours to keep it on the front page.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Not to mention the practicality of getting threads moved. Since Richard left Shrapnel I suppose Tim Brooks would be the man to do it, but he's a rather busy guy.

Geoschmo

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Don't move them.
I never check the shrapnel general forums, so moving OT threads would be the same that erasing them for me and many people.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Personally, they don't really bother me. Apparently many Users are enjoying them, so unless many others are bothered, I'd tend to say leave them be.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Moving the threads wouldn't be censoring them, but it would be trying to force people to change their forum habits, which as you say would have the effect that most people wouldn't see them. On the other hand, for the minority that doesn't follow the Space Empires forum, it'd actually increase the visible activity.

Perhaps a counter-suggestion would be to move the older off-topic threads to the general forum, to make the old topics here more relevant, and to give more content to the general forum.

Then again, the actual Posts in this forum tend to get SE-related Posts even in off-topic subjects, so they might be a little out of place in the General forum.

(Hmm, I must be avoiding getting my work done, if I'm writing this here!)

It's probably not really worth anyone's time to bother with them, and might bug people more than it would do any good, to move them.

PvK

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Moving them would be bad. There is no need to redundantly post why, but there is need to give support to move = bad. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Technically, no, they shouldn't. There is no rule written that says only se4 can be discussed in this forum.

[ March 25, 2003, 01:03: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Technically, no, they shouldn't. There is no rule written that says only se4 can be discussed in this forum.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Technically yes. The subject is not SE4 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

EDIT But as I have said, I am all for letting them stay.

[ March 25, 2003, 01:14: Message edited by: tbontob ]

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

There are probably more people in the SE4 forum than all the others combined, so moving the threads anywhere else would probably just kill them off...

On the other hand, it might draw attention to the other forums...

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

The threads should stay; one of them is almost the hottest topic on the forum. And to move them to another section of the forum would be like moving a headline story to the back pages of the paper. Passive censorship is what this is called. Just because a thread does not turn out the way people wanted or intended is no reason to passively censor it. Moderators should not censor except when forced to do so in defense of the forum, and members should never be allowed to censor by polling the membership.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Well if the forum becomes filled with them then there's a problem and I'de vote to move. Its not about censorship, the main purpose of the forum is so people can learn about the game SE4. If I was a newbie and came here to find there are 65 off topic discussions about anything from solar activity to what toothpaste do you use I'de find the forum useless.

Having multiple topics for essesntially the same subject is a waste thou.

Askan

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

I read the off topic threads occasionally. I don't mind them being here, but I would like that all of them had OT written in the topic. Most threads have but I really think that the ones that don't should be renamed.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A very good point! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

The Avatar thread is a good example why OT threads should be allowed. There is no doupt that if it were in General forum it would be much shorter and only few Space Empires players would have as good looking avatars as they now have.

In some cases it is very hard to decided what thread is OT and what isn't. For example this very thread isn't about Space Empires but the discussion is still pretty important for all who visit the forum.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Yes, David's Avatar thread is a good example of a topic which straddles "off topic" and "on topic" although it can be argued that it is technically OT, having little to do with SE4 gameplay.

Yet, having little to do with actual gameplay, it does promote gameplay by giving each player a unique identity.

I, for one would not have my current avatar if it was not for David and the fact he had a thread in this forum.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

IMHO any thread that benifits the SE community by stimulating social interaction, is by definition "On-Topic".

Yes, I'm wicked, but in a good way! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It could also be argued that a player's 'identity' is part of SE gameplay and my avatars help to solidify those identities while they are visiting here in the forums!

..am I good or what? LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 25, 2003, 16:22: Message edited by: David E. Gervais ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, the title is SE4. There is nothing that says that is the only subject that can be discussed. So technically, you are wrong.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are the best! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, the title is SE4. There is nothing that says that is the only subject that can be discussed. So technically, you are wrong.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, the title is SE4. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

So, technically, it should be SE4 topics. But I was not being technical and had no problem with non-SE4 Posts.

So, you are wrong again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

No, the title does not force the topics into that specific subjects. That is not how forums operate. I am not going to go in another circular arguement with you because you will not ever admit you are wrong, even when you are obviously wrong. So, consider this over.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who said anything about forcing the topics into specific subjects?

All I said was that technically, it should be SE4 topics. And as you know, I personally have no objection to non-SE4 Posts (within limits...like I wouldn't like pornography to be posted).

So, wrong again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

I find very cool and very intelectually stimulating to have SE4 and OT threads in the same forum, though I agree that the OT label should always be on the name of Off Topic threads.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

hmmm,. should I add OT: to the beginning of my avatar thread? It's not really about SE, although I did do a bunch of SE based avatars.

So, what am I to do? ...add the "OT:" to my thread of course, but does it mean On-Topic or Off-Topic? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Looks like we have a dilemma!

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

[ March 25, 2003, 16:18: Message edited by: David E. Gervais ]

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

IMHO, I vote to let them stay. Since I've been a member of the forum, we have always had an OT here and there and I never saw anything wrong with this as long as they are not abused, over used, or start flame wars. Its relaxing sometimes to discuss other aspects besides SE4 with your fellow members. I even learn some things or 2 about other topics from these OT's. This forum is different then most forums and is the friendliest of those I've seen or been in. Its become more of a family type atmosphere where you can sit down and have a brewski or 2 in one thread, talk about modding the game in another, or learning how to mod your game, or discussing various items throughout the universe as well as learning things about other countries or become involved in cartoon violence.

just my 3 cents worth

just some ideas Mac

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So is this ego inflation, or monetary inflation? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif j/k

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

Just us old Geezers who can't count http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Hey shouldn't this Thread have an [OT] tag? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ March 26, 2003, 15:14: Message edited by: Perrin ]

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The thread police storm the thread, planting evidence and swinging truncheons liberally. Tesco Samoa is dragged away in cuffs, while Perrin is discretely rewarded with a plain envelope full of cash.

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

I think the OT and war threads are fine, but I would be in support of moving Fyron and Tbontob to another forum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is there already a Shrapnel Bickering Lovers forum, or will they need to make one?

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Should the Current War Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
Choose 1
Yes 41% (14)
No 59% (20)
Should all future topics related to war be moved to Shrapnel General
Choose 1
Yes 38% (13)
No 62% (21)

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn't that a matter for some debate? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you are going to make such an outrageous and unsubstantiated claim, perhaps you should start your own thread titled:

OT - Metaphysics - Free Will

Oh. Sorry. What were we arguing, er, I mean talking about again? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn't that a matter for some debate? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you are going to make such an outrageous and unsubstantiated claim, perhaps you should start your own thread titled:

OT - Metaphysics - Free Will

Oh. Sorry. What were we arguing, er, I mean talking about again? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I made some comments in the Cantina, about what I think of the discussions at Plato's pub. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

You need to find someone else to bait. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where? Where? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Is it better than this one?

Oh no! Fyron will be there! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Should the following Threads be moved to the Shrapnel General Section
 

I think it's OK to have those off-topic threads here. I read those threads on Iraq and Korea, even though I don't post there. But I never go to the Shrapnel General Section.