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Hey, check out this page which has drawings of Star Trek, Star Wars, and Babylon 5 ships to scale, compared to real ships and buildings. There's the Empire State Building, Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, etc compared to Godzilla, Battlestar Galactica, Galaxy Class Starship, Omega Class Destroyer, Star Wars Space Slug, etc.

Each drawing is scaled to 1 pixel = 1 meter.
http://mirror.wolffelaar.nl/zardalu.sytes.net/

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Wonderful site. I hope it adds even more stuff later. It's spiffy how you can drag the images around, too.

PvK

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hope so too. The omission of the Imperial Star Destroyer is a greivous oversight. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

[EDIT: I went looking for another size chart I found in my aimless wanderings over the web. Unfortunately, the host site has gone MIA. However, I kept a copy on my hard drive. It's only plain black silhouettes, but it offers more ships, including the Borg Cube and the absolutely necessary Imperial Star Destroyer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I'd gladly give the original artist credit, but I have no clue who he or she was.]

Starship Size Chart

[ April 30, 2003, 03:01: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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COOOOOOOOL!

Esp. the drag-around feature.

Disappointing how he didn't include the death star. hehe, maybe thats a bit off-scale.

I think the SSD falls into that Category too - 8km if memory serves. the ISD is completely manageable though, its, er, um 1400m?

And B5, about the same, 5 mi.

Interesting, the current total length is something close to pi miles. (at the longest ~5.5 km)

edit: nope, the ISD is 1600m. but the SSD is 8km.

edit edit: Thanks for the silhouette one. I like the borg part. :b

[ April 30, 2003, 03:17: Message edited by: Gwaihir ]

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naaaaarf

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's hard to believe that the Borg Cube is that much bigger then the Intrepid class ship (Voyager) Just a rough guess would be that the Cube is over 500 times bigger then the Intrepid. And Voyager beat how many of those cubes without being destroyed?!?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I can see the Cube being like 50-100 times bigger but gees. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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I generally have little or no interest in TNG ships, but it looks like the two sites disagree about the relative sizes of TNG Fed Galaxy ships and TNG Rom Warbirds.

And ya, I want to see the Imperial Star Destroyer on the flashy site, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Oh, and I think King Kong is smaller than in the films, not to mention the "vs. Godzilla" films. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

PvK

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I think they got his size from the origninal movie, probably from his scale against the empire state building. Wait, no, you're right, he has to be bigger! that size definitely cannot swat planes. Of course, maybe I should actually watch the original, rather than going by the poster art, which is probably exaggerated.

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I can't move anything around on that site. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

And Romulan warbirds are a lot larger than Federation Galaxy Class ships (something like 2-3x as large).

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is from Babylon Trek Wars. I can't seem to find any mention of the author...

[ April 30, 2003, 08:30: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, that was the site. Did it move? The only link I have to it is defunct.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BTW had another size chart for the bases (Death Stars I and II, B5, etc). I just didn't download it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

[ April 30, 2003, 09:54: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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More pretty pictures for you then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

hugehugesizechart.gif
starbasesizechart.gif

I have no idea what happened to the site. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ April 30, 2003, 10:10: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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Where can I find the size of SE4 ships in meters?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What's the Eclipse Star Destroyer?
I don't recall any Super StarDestroyer with that name in Star Wars. I only know the Executor and the Night Hammer (From one of the books).

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here...

http://se4kdy.cyberwars.com/text/se4tech.htm

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here...

http://se4kdy.cyberwars.com/text/se4tech.htm</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, thanks man.

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If my memory serves me, the Eclipse SSD was the cloned Emperor Palpatine's new flagship in the Dark Empire comic book series. I think it was in Dark Empire II to be exact. I also remeber it being bigger then the comparison pic shows.

[ April 30, 2003, 16:25: Message edited by: chewy027 ]

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They didn't include the JMC Red Dwarf! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well it isn't from B5, Star Trek or Star Wars, so would not make any sense for it to be in the Babylon Trek Wars size comparison charts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In terms of size, it seems more like "Mighty Joe Young" than King Kong (Am I showing my age now... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

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Hi, I did some searching around and found out that the 1 pixel = 1 meter page was actually only one page out of a whole collection with other scales. (10 pixel = 1 meter, 2 pixels = 1 meter, 10 meters per pixel, 100 meters per pixel and 2000 meters per pixel.)

And the bigger ships like the Death Star, Super Star Destroyer, etc, are all here! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Go to this page:
http://www.merzo.net/index.html

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Those are way off for the Eclipse vs. the SSD - the eclipse is 17500m and the SSD is 8000m, yet they are shown as basically the same size.

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Er, when quoting people, is there some handy-dandy feature to quote them and preserve links and stuff, or do you just search through the source HTML and cut and paste that between two quote tags?

edit: oops, sorry, double post

edit edit: hehe, right, i just saw the quote button on the main view. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif nevemind.

[ May 01, 2003, 06:21: Message edited by: Gwaihir ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Er, click on the -2000x scale button... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Plus they ought to add Red Dwarf.
And I didn't see the little fighters from Battlestar Galactica.

[ May 01, 2003, 18:22: Message edited by: Wanderer ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehehe

I can re-enact the Hindinburgh disaster on this page...

Ok, so it's the Hindinburgh crashing on Cloud City... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Wow, an Imperial Star Destroyer is really big.

What's up with that Romulan Warbird or Deridex or something? Isn't it too big?
I don't remember them to be that big in Bridge Kommander.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I made Kong climb the Empire State Building. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Is it there any chance that the kts in SE4 may be also taken as the lenght?

If a 500 kt Cruiser would also be 500m long, then we would be closer to sci-fi mainstream...... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehe, I tried to make him fall but he doesn't wanna turn upside down..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">May be not a length, but a volume certainly. After all, when we speak about ship displacement it is in fact a measure how much water do we need to sink her http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Certainly, it can not be water for starships. May be vaccum ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif It does have non-zero "zero" density after all !
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, the Executor class IS about the same size as the Eclipse. See these pages for details:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd5mile.html
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#size

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I stand corrected. Thank you very much, good stuff to know. I really like how detailed the site's analysis is. I saw a similar one a while back debunking a myth about the death star. (and another one discussing how the second death star's explosion would have destroyed Endor's ecology - either from fallout or from fall-on (big chunks landing as meteorite strikes - no matter how generously you estimate it, there would be enough of them for nuclear winter (i think that's the gist of it) ) It was very detailed, got all the technical stuff covered, and was fun to read.

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But Gwaihir, we know there was not an ecological disaster in Endor. Ok, it’s not strictly cannon, since in starwars that’s only the movies and novelizations of the movies are cannon (anyway any starwars official material is far better than what trekkies call cannon), but the planet was visited many times later and the Ewoks were still living happily in their tree villages.
That discussion is wrong from the beginning. It should be why wasn’t there a disaster... maybe the Alliance managed to repair the planetary shields after the battle, maybe the gravity of the “controversial” gas giant “Endor” or “Tana”, the one “Sanctuary Moon” or “Forest Moon of Endor” is or was supposed to orbit deviated all debries.

Aloofi, tonnage would only be equivalent to length if ships had a constant section and a tonnage of 1 kt per linear meter. The resulting ships would be a few meters in width and height, constant for all ships but hundreds of meters in length.
So SE4 ships are small when compared with sci-fi mainstream.
Many Trek and B5 ships have their tonnage listed in their stats. Compare them with SE4 tonnages for further reference.

A fast approximation to include SE4 ships in those charts would be that 36x36 mini pictures are close to the 1 pixel = 10m scale.

Here you have my spreadsheet to check my math and play with the values.

I also made this shipset, the Box based on the measures from the spreadsheet.
The interesting thing is that I didn’t resize anything so all ships are in the same scale (even in the fleet/group pictures). I even used an orthographic projection instead of perspective to better preserve scaling.

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Correct, according to canon there was no ecological disaster. The site was different in that it agrued against the canon, based on a very wide variety of canon facts - basically, everything in the canon suggests that there should have been a disaster, except for the direct evidence that there wasn't - all the technology, all the visual evidence from the movies, and all of the known stats point to a necessary disaster.

The shield idea is neat, but a bit iffy - it was designed to go up and encircle the battle station, i believe guided at least in part by mechanisms on the station itself, and changing it to a flat planet-covering condition would have been pretty tough, especially since a lot of impacts would have come pretty rapidly after the explosion (bits aimed directly at the planet).

Hrm, wait, was the big hole oriented planetward? that would definitely help, then the might have been caught by the odd greavitational fields of the planet (which is mentioned as having odd gravitational effects that make hyperspace travel through the region messy, one reason it was picked as a secret location to construct the DS2.)

AFAIK, and as far as the pretty extensive research this fellow carried out states, there is no canon explanation of how Endor survived, it just *did.* I hate pointing out flaws in Star Wars, I'm a big fan, but that to me seems to be one. (at least there was no "big red button" on DS2 like there was on DS1, although among other big red buttons, a heavily shielded, turbolaser protected exhaust shaft is very reasonable)

Hrm, DS1, DS2 . . . DS9?? Makes you wonder, eh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Yeah, but in SE4 the tonnage is in kilotons, not plain tons.
So that means that an unmodded Cruiser have 500 000 tonns.
Couldn't it be 500 meters long?

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Hey, it seems like the part of the DS2 aiming to Endor is the one not yet finished, so in that case the bLast would send the debris away from Endor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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After reading all that stuff about the Executor it seems like a huge waste of resources.

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http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

Here's the Endor link. I don't think you can argue against this kind of research Andres, but if you want to try I'll be listening with interest.

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Is it there a direct fire weapon in SE4 that can replicate the Death Star's superlaser?
Can a direct fire weapon be given the "destroy small planet"?

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Sure, but you can't fire it and blow up a planet during combat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

A core-mount Wave-Motion-Gun on a battlemoon replicates the effect fairly well, except it just glasses the planet with 13,000 damage instead of turning it into asteroids.

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Sorry I ask this. I have never used Stellar Manipulation (too fantastic for my taste) and I was wondering how that worked in the case of destroying a planet.
Let's say I build a mobile starbase with a Doomsday BLaster, what do I do then?
Do I drive the thing to the enemy planet?
Can i fire from a sector away?
If I get to the same sector of the planet, wouldn't the planet's defenses fire on my baby?
Do I have to survive the 30 turns of combat, and then after combat fire the main gun?

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Allofi: Yes, No, Yes, Yes.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

So my Death Star needs to be escorted?
What a fuzz. Grand Mos Tarkin would have been very disappointed..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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In SE4 you don't have and don't need death stars to destroy planets.
You have small DS or LC that may approach the planet with a treaty, cloaking or by winning a battle.
The death star was strong enogh to battle anything by itself. There was a design flaw of too little PDC, but fighters were supposed to be unable to harm the station.
ISTR reading that they didn't even launch all fighters in the battle of Yavin because they didn't consider the rebels to be a threat.

[ May 07, 2003, 17:05: Message edited by: Andres ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bah !
Those puny toys are nothing compared to
Atlas-type Island Space Navigation Ship "Deucalion" from Kiddy Grade anime (its 63568 km in lenght !!)

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know that, but I still want a Death Star. One capable of carrying 1000 000 soldiers (1000 troops) and hundreds of fighters, plus the nastiest gun ever invented: The Planet Depleater Cannon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, Grand Moff Tarkin would have been dead, cause clearly that attacking fleet is no threat. I'm just going to sit with my finger on the trigger cause you're just making that up about the explosions and stuff. Yessiree, no danger here!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You got me there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Why would he be dead? What attacking fleet? The 30 x-wing fighters in A New Hope?

I just wannted to mod a Death Star into Proportions and I have not idea of how to replicate the superlaser.
It doesn't feel right if the superlaser is one of those tectonic bombs. It have to be a laser beam of some sort, with the "destroy medium planet" ability.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Quite simply; P&N isn't Proportions.
If you're going to jump between mods, comparisons become pointless.

If you want a deathstar beam in proportions, you'll have to scale it up to match the new mod. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ May 07, 2003, 21:35: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SJ, could you post the txt file for the death star beam, to copy it into proportions?

I don't even know in which mod it can be found......

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They are quite large (several times the size of Galaxy class starships). Don't rely on games, because games always distort things to work within the game mechanics.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He wasn't talking about a particular weapon. He made a reference to a core mounted WMG on a Battlemoon in P&N being similar to a DS Superlaser in an earlier post.

[ May 07, 2003, 23:42: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]