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Initial Research Priorities
I was just wondering what an experienced SEIV gamer researchs in the early game (particularly in the first 10 turns or so). There's not much information on research in the FAQ, and this thread may help that.
Also (on a completely unrelated note), how many Posts before I get promoted? |
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well, i generally go with large maps, so ice or gas depending on what my system looks like. gas is better, i think.
yeah, i generally pick rock for my race. |
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That's very different from one game to another (depends on the race traits, the presence of ennemies...)
If no ennemy in the neigbourghood : I would say space yards, propulsion, and applied science, for quick developpement. If any hostile race : ship construction, weapons, shields... A tech anyone should have early : mines. |
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To answer the original question, I would have to say that there are lots of ways to approach research and you have to tailor your method to the particular in-game conditions. Most important: decide on a goal and maintain focus on it. If you try to research everything at once, you will definitely be behind the power curve when you meet other emipres in combat. This list is not all encompassing and varies slightly depending on the situation at hand.
I will do most of these early. Order will be determined by how soon I meet other empires: - Construction to get Mines as an early defense - DUC to at least level IV for my early beam weapon - Military Science to get Point Defense Cannons to at least level IV - Ship construction to Light Cruisers, then usually hold off until conflict happens - Physics, Chemistry for Shields & armor up to a respectible level. - Spaceyard II to meet ship demands. - Intel just before I expect to meet another empire, sometimes after - Cargo to level II for increased supply storage, cargo capacity. ============ Mid game: - Physics 2 for Phased Polaron Beams up to level 5 then retrofit DUC ships over. - Mines to at least level III for Minesweeper III for my attack fleets. - Troops I & Troop Weapons to level 3 for planet capture - Sensors and Combat Support for Combat Sensors III & ECM III (before attacking anything in earnest) - Ship Construction to Battlecruiser then usually hold off till end game. - Remaining colony techs that I haven't been able to beg, borrow or steal to this point - Military Science 2 for Ship & Fleet training up to level 3, then in late mid-game get Hyper Optics III for anti-cloak scans - Stellar Harnessing to get Solar Sail III. - Spaceyard III - Take Minerals, Org, Rad, Research & Intel to level II facilities (these still can be built in 1 turn) If necessary, go to level III where required. - Propulsion to Jacketed Photon I before attacking in earnest. Combined with a Solar Sail III, ship speed is super. - Industry, Computers to whatever level I can get without sacrificing the edge elsewhere. Convert ships to use Master Computer for extra space or protection against Psychic Allegiance Subverters. - prior to capturing enemy planets, Psychology then get Urban Pac Centers to level III to maintain captured population happy used in conjuction with troops. ================== End Game: - Troops to level III for capturing homeworlds. - Ship Construction to Dreads for heavy fleets - Shield depleting weapons to Shield Depleter max (I think level V) but not to research Shield Disrupter. Then APB to at least level X, if not max of XII then retrofit over PPB ships. - Finish out areas of Mid-game which may be still outstanding =============== Case Basis: - Stellar Manipulation to supplement production with Monoliths (sparingly, and on high resource worlds); warp opener, warp closer to start working on pathing; Planetmaking out of asteroids. - Fighters: If you go with fighters, you need lots of numbers so this is a strategic level decision. Don't go half-way or enemy PD will just make your effort wasted. - Weapon Platforms II and III. Great place to spend extra resources on larger planets - Repair and Resupply as time permits ================ Throughout: - Remain flexible to adapt and counter what you see your opponents using. ================ I am no expert, but I hope this helps. Slick. |
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No engine overloading weapons? What, you do not like crippling ships with a single hit?
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Just kidding, it's still a very viable tactic -- just no longer a quick win. I like to get max shield depelters, and max engine destroyers in a large mount. That will take at least one ship out of comission every other combat turn. [ July 14, 2003, 16:43: Message edited by: Arkcon ] |
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If you are playing FQM, with it's generous cargo space, these things are a Must Have. In the unmodded game it can be a difficult decision: one-turn WPs that use up your cargo space without filling themselves out, one-turn WPs that don't use up so much cargo space but don't have the rage, or WPs that take full advantage of your cargo space but will take many turns to produce. [edit: Whoa, I seem to have gone Sublieutenant while I wasn't looking...]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I was referring to the unmodded game. Note that Advanced Storage Techniques will increase your storage capacity by 20% in the unmodded game. I personally like to keep some free cargo space on planets for emergency unit production so I refrain from putting too many WP's on a planet if they will completely fill the cargo space. Just a personal preference, really. Agreed on the increased WP mount range; it's is great to use those range 8 weapons and the range bonus on a large WP to "reach out and touch someone" at range 14 with a beam weapon (at 5x damage). Slick. |
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Just kidding, it's still a very viable tactic -- just no longer a quick win. I like to get max shield depelters, and max engine destroyers in a large mount. That will take at least one ship out of comission every other combat turn.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because they no longer skip shields, they are an excellent early game weapon. Propulsion 4, then at least ID 3 (to get to 20 damage) and put them on your destroyers. Will kill early enemy ships and stop fleets dead in their tracks. |
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If you are playing FQM, with it's generous cargo space, these things are a Must Have. In the unmodded game it can be a difficult decision: one-turn WPs that use up your cargo space without filling themselves out, one-turn WPs that don't use up so much cargo space but don't have the rage, or WPs that take full advantage of your cargo space but will take many turns to produce. [edit: Whoa, I seem to have gone Sublieutenant while I wasn't looking...] [ July 09, 2003, 12:21: Message edited by: Loser ] |
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1)Ship Construction 2)Propulsion 3)Projectile Weapons That way I can build Frigates with DUC II's/III's just in case I run into unfriendly neighbors. It also makes freightors/colonyships slightly cheaper (good when you're in a low-resource start). After that, it depends on the game size. If I've got some space to grow, I develop infrastructure (Industry, Computers, etc). Otherwise, I try to get good ship tech (Ship Construction, Missiles, etc) for self-defense. |
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If i happen to have any racial trait it is usually a good idea to get it ASAP, if possible the first or second turn (armor from organic or crystal is a nice early-game bonus).
one strategy ive found to be quite beneficial is: Ship Construction II DUC II PN I ion engine II DUC III PN II ion engine III Ship Construction III Military Science I PDC 4 / DUC 4 Construction can be inserted somewhere in the middle or at the end - as mines are good, but mine-sweepers are a must. Overall a useful strategy that can leave any neighbour crippled. |
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Just kidding, it's still a very viable tactic -- just no longer a quick win. I like to get max shield depelters, and max engine destroyers in a large mount. That will take at least one ship out of comission every other combat turn.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, with PPB dominance, IDs are very effective for a long time. If they use non-phased shields, they are dead from PPB. If they use no shields and just armor, they are dead from ID. Sure, if they are smart they will still be able to fire, but they will get left behind in combat (thus still unable to fire) as your ships chase other enemy ships around that pull back. Even after phased shields come out, they are still powerful. They do a lot of damage (not as much as max APBs or PPBs, but relatively close still), and will damage shields if those are still up. Stick some Shield Depleters on first, and watch enemy ships get stuck and left behind. [ July 10, 2003, 08:29: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ] |
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I believe the reason for researching Propulsion for two more levels right away is the savings in construction and maintenance. Someone correct me if I’m wrong here. A second reason for getting to Light Cruiser is being able to put more cargo holds on a Colony Ship. |
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