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spoon February 21st, 2004 01:44 AM

modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
Is there a way to attach a default strategy to the entries in DefaultDesignTypes.txt? For example, if I wanted to add "Missile Ship" as a design type, how would I set it's default strategy to "Maximum Range"?

Thanks!

spoon February 22nd, 2004 09:07 AM

Re: modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
*bump*

Nobody knows this? It seems like all my new entries get assigned the "Don't get hurt" strategy. I would think there was a way to get around this...

Fyron February 22nd, 2004 10:49 AM

Re: modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
Nope, there is no way to do that. I believe that all new ship designs are given the first strategy in your strategies. Is Don't Get Hurt the first on there?

Baron Munchausen February 22nd, 2004 05:55 PM

Re: modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
Then why is there a default strategy line for every design?

Default Strategy := Optimal Firing Range

Any proof that it doesn't work? The AI is pretty simple minded, but as far as I know the ships do follow the strategies they are given.

[ February 22, 2004, 15:56: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

Phoenix-D February 22nd, 2004 06:19 PM

Re: modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Nope, there is no way to do that. I believe that all new ship designs are given the first strategy in your strategies. Is Don't Get Hurt the first on there?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This isn't right. If you make any new ship type (say missile ship) it gets Don't Get Hurt. But if you use a default one, say Attack Ship, it gets Optimal Weapon range. Troop transports get Drop Troops, colony ships and pop transports get Don't GEt Hurt, etc.

spoon February 22nd, 2004 07:38 PM

Re: modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Is Don't Get Hurt the first on there?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sort of - I had removed all the default entries and added all new ones (it's for the fantasy mod so I wanted different names).

spoon February 22nd, 2004 07:49 PM

Re: modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Nope, there is no way to do that. I believe that all new ship designs are given the first strategy in your strategies. Is Don't Get Hurt the first on there?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This isn't right. If you make any new ship type (say missile ship) it gets Don't Get Hurt. But if you use a default one, say Attack Ship, it gets Optimal Weapon range. Troop transports get Drop Troops, colony ships and pop transports get Don't GEt Hurt, etc. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think he means that the existing ones are hard-coded, and any additional (modded) entries get assigned Optimal Firing Range (or whatever pre-existing designType you happen to have listed first)

Fyron February 22nd, 2004 08:01 PM

Re: modding DefaultDesignTypes.txt
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
Then why is there a default strategy line for every design?

Default Strategy := Optimal Firing Range

Any proof that it doesn't work? The AI is pretty simple minded, but as far as I know the ships do follow the strategies they are given.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">DefaultDesignTypes.txt is in the Data folder. There is no such line. It is just a listing of design types that will be available to the player when he designs a ship. You are thinking of Default_AI_DesignCreation.txt.

Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Nope, there is no way to do that. I believe that all new ship designs are given the first strategy in your strategies. Is Don't Get Hurt the first on there?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This isn't right. If you make any new ship type (say missile ship) it gets Don't Get Hurt. But if you use a default one, say Attack Ship, it gets Optimal Weapon range. Troop transports get Drop Troops, colony ships and pop transports get Don't GEt Hurt, etc. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have added new types to DefaultDesignTypes.txt and used them, and they get Optimal Range if they are armed. They only get Don't Get Hurt if they have no weapons. Check out USM. It has a lot of extra designs in its DefaultDesignTypes.txt. The only one that is special is Troop Transport, which gets Drop Troops by default. All other designs get Optimal Weapons Range if they have weapons, or Don't Get Hurt if they are unarmed.

Quote:

Originally posted by spoon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Is Don't Get Hurt the first on there?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sort of - I had removed all the default entries and added all new ones (it's for the fantasy mod so I wanted different names). </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It appears that SE4 looks for Optimal Firing Range, Don't Get Hurt, and Drop Troops strategies. If there is no Optimal Firing Range strategy, then apparently it gives up looking for other strategies. Try adding it back in and see if that fixes the problem. Also, try making a strategy similar to Optimal Firing Range as the first listed strategy. Maybe SE4 uses the first strategy for armed ships? Or maybe it just looks for the default Optimal Firing Range. I do know that in USM, it will assign Soft Planet Capture as the strategy for troop transports instead of Capture Planets. They both have the drop troops movement type. Maybe SE4 needs the first strategy to have the Optimal Weapons Range firing type?


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