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Gandalf Parker February 6th, 2004 01:19 AM

Random Map Generator
 
Todays improvement to the Random Map site.
http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion...humbnails.html
I think this is the way the sites will all be managed so make comments please. Targa, will this arrangment do for a daily run of "blanks"?

Also what direction next? These are all Large maps of 450 land and 50 water on images 2000x2000 pixels. Basically these are the "everyone gets 25 provinces before forcing a war" maps.

Should I try smaller maps? 1000x2000? 1000x1000? smaller?

Should I do directorys for medium and small? Lets see.. 300 land and 30 water? 200 and 20? 100 and 10? I dont feel a need for daily randoms of smaller maps since those come into the range of maps that can and will probably be done manually by others. Its the huge maps that are a gap needing filled.

Or now that the random .tga part is ironed out maybe I should shift back to the randomization of the .map files for more "energetic" play like Poke-in-the-Eye or Miirunst_X are.

February 6th, 2004 01:23 AM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
[QB] Todays improvement to the Random Map site.
http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion...humbnails.html
I think this is the way the sites will all be managed so make comments please. Targa, will this arrangment do for a daily run of "blanks"?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Great addition in the Thumbnails

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Also what direction next? These are all Large maps of 450 land and 50 water on images 2000x2000 pixels. Basically these are the "everyone gets 25 provinces before forcing a war" maps.

Should I try smaller maps? 1000x2000? 1000x1000? smaller?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You could probably try a few smaller maps. 200 - 20 is probably a good one.

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Or now that the random .tga part is ironed out maybe I should shift back to the randomization of the .map files for more "energetic" play like Poke-in-the-Eye or Miirunst_X are.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes more akin to Poke in the Eye.

NTJedi February 6th, 2004 01:29 AM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Anyway those maps could use pictures of trees for forests, pictures of mud & plants for swamp, corn & barn for farmlands, etc. , etc...

The size of the maps are great... but they would really be great if random pictures of what I mentioned above could help identify the provinces. The small pixel dots really hurts the eyes after awhile.

Targa February 6th, 2004 01:45 AM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Targa, will this arrangment do for a daily run of "blanks"?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It would be easier for me (if it's at all possible) for you to use whatever settings gave you those maps that were totally brown colored. Since I have to "select by color" and delete, the more different colors there are, the more work it is. If you'd have to change settings and all then don't worry about it. I don't see myself cranking out more than maybe 1 map per month at the current rate (which may slow down, since I haven't even had time to play Dom2 while working on this map).

The other questions are better answered by other, more knowledgable people.

Edit: Looks great, BTW!

[ February 05, 2004, 23:45: Message edited by: Targa ]

Gandalf Parker February 6th, 2004 01:54 AM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NTJedi:
Anyway those maps could use pictures of trees for forests, pictures of mud & plants for swamp, corn & barn for farmlands, etc. , etc...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">"Anything is possible, its a computer. Some things are just more trouble than they are worth"
Thats a common quote of mine. Lets see... if the iconic stuff were all saved as seperate image files against a transparent background then a program (C, Basic, Perl, whatever) could go thru the .map file to find the terrain markers and then use the imagemagick program to paste an appropriate image randomly selected from a group (tree1, tree2, tree3) for variety and... no, I think that can be someone elses project.

But if you want to then feel free to grab any that catch your eye and touch'em up. Make it your own offering to the community. Please do because that map will be gone tomorrow. Any paint program will do.

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The size of the maps are great... but they would really be great if random pictures of what I mentioned above could help identify the provinces. The small pixel dots really hurts the eyes after awhile.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The best I can offer is that Im trying to get a way to "blur" the images. I think that makes them alittle more enjoyable.
http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion...s/WEvsTHEM.jpg

[ February 05, 2004, 23:57: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Targa February 6th, 2004 02:28 AM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
The best I can offer is that Im trying to get a way to "blur" the images. I think that makes them alittle more enjoyable.
http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion...s/WEvsTHEM.jpg

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Wow, did you see the way the land province borders look on that (where they're "squiggly")? Quite an eye-catcher, I like it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gandalf Parker February 6th, 2004 02:45 AM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Targa:
Wow, did you see the way the land province borders look on that (where they're "squiggly")? Quite an eye-catcher, I like it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah I like it too. Makes the map a comfortable background for play. Its real easy to do in GIMP. But Im not going to do it to 100 maps a night. Im trying to find a way to automate it.

Gandalf Parker February 6th, 2004 04:06 AM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Targa:
It would be easier for me (if it's at all possible) for you to use whatever settings gave you those maps that were totally brown colored. Since I have to "select by color" and delete, the more different colors there are, the more work it is.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">OK I did a run into your directory.
http://www.techno-mage.com/~targa/blanks/
No web pages yet. No automated run though it is a script so I can rerun it anytime. Each map has the .sh script that dommap used to make it. We can tweak the randoms to get it closer to what you want or more extreme for better shopping.
Its a start.

NTJedi February 6th, 2004 08:54 PM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Please do because that map will be gone tomorrow. Any paint program will do.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Any suggestions??... any paint programs which may have sample pictures I can use??


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The best I can offer is that Im trying to get a way to "blur" the images. I think that makes them alittle more enjoyable.
http://www.techno-mage.com/~dominion...s/WEvsTHEM.jpg

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes the blurred images are better... I'll have to find some time to improve one of these existing maps.

Gandalf Parker February 6th, 2004 09:10 PM

Re: Random Map Generator
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NTJedi:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Please do because that map will be gone tomorrow. Any paint program will do.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Any suggestions??... any paint programs which may have sample pictures I can use??</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Even the free program with Windows can be used. Get Irfanview or some other program that can take images in/out of the TGA format.

GIMP is a free paint program but more powerful than most people can get used to (kindof like Dominions). The Devs use it and the iconic images (trees mountains etc) are easier to get from them for use in gimp. It also can generate beautiful random maps if you want to go thru the work of adding provinces and such to it.

If any of the random maps from my site catch your eye be sure to download the zip. A fresh 30 are made every day so the one that sparks a thought like "that sea looks like a dragon" will be gone tomorrow.


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