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Argitoth March 26th, 2004 01:26 AM

Undead retreated?
 
I assassinated every undead commander in a province and broke siege. The undead retreated because they weren't mindless. This is with SoulGate Ermor.

Was it intended to have the disposessed spirits and velites not mindless?

Yossar March 26th, 2004 01:41 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Yes. Almost all of Soul Gate's units have very good morale but are not mindless. Ghosts and the like have always traditionally been thought of as intelligent.

Nagot Gick Fel March 26th, 2004 01:51 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Argitoth:
Was it intended to have the disposessed spirits and velites not mindless?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ahem. A souless is a body without a mind, a spirit is a mind without a body. So what would be a mindless spirit? In case you didn't know, "spirit" and "mind" are the same word in many non-european Languages.

Argitoth March 26th, 2004 02:22 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
"Dispossessed" in "Disposessed Spirit". That indicates if it ever had a mind, it doesn't have one now.

Anyway, not to start a debate, but I HATE SG ERMOR!!!

I hate it like like nothing else. The hate which I have for it is so strong that if I had any more hate, I would go mad, and start murdering my clients.

Argitoth March 26th, 2004 02:36 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
HELP ME!!!

I have a few turns to research! I have 7 Dominion in my province. Ermor has 3 temples surrounding my province but my dominion is still holding up well so far.

--------------------C'TIS--------------------
GEM -- INCOME/OWN
Death -- 24 (Well of Misery)/24
Nature -- 3/3
*I can probably send help for gems.*

PATH LVL -- RP LEFT
Conj 8 -- 923
Alter 2 -- 39
Evoc 0 -- 20
Cons 0 -- 20
Ench 3 -- 87
Thaum 1 -- 40

COMMANDERS (MAGIC)
1 Pretender (8 Death)
1 Prophet Assassin (1 Nature 1 Death)
2 Lizard Kings (4 Holy)
3 Assassins (1 Nature 1 Death)
6 Shamans (1 Astral 1 Nature)
7 Mages (1 Nature 3 Death 1 Random)


-------------ERMOR (Human Player)------------
-Has about 350 Spirits and Legionaires surrounding my castle (probably without commanders, but he could easily put up 1 defence per province to provide one)

-Attacked my Last province (home province) Last turn

-I assassinated all 4 wraith commanders and made all his undead retreat to surrounding provinces

-It looks like the only commanders he could have left is a "priest" (don't know which kind), 1 wraith, and a pretender.

-The pretender is right next to my castle. It is a lich queen.

-I don't think he would attack my castle for a few turns for fear of losing his undead in the surrounding provinces. Instead, he may try to regather his undead. (Note his lack of commanders)

[ March 26, 2004, 01:51: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

Nagot Gick Fel March 26th, 2004 02:51 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Argitoth:
"Dispossessed" in "Disposessed Spirit". That indicates if it ever had a mind, it doesn't have one now.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A "dispossessed man" is a man who possesses nothing, but is still a man, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Argitoth March 26th, 2004 02:58 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Argitoth:
"Dispossessed" in "Disposessed Spirit". That indicates if it ever had a mind, it doesn't have one now.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A "dispossessed man" is a man who possesses nothing, but is still a man, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">yes, a mindless one.

Norfleet March 26th, 2004 03:11 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Argitoth:
HELP ME!!!

I have a few turns to research! I have 7 Dominion in my province. Ermor has 3 temples surrounding my province but my dominion is still holding up well so far.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think you're totally spooned.

Nagot Gick Fel March 26th, 2004 03:19 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Argitoth:
HELP ME!!!
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, since you invested so heavily in Conjuration and so little in everything else, and since your gem income is limited to death, your best option is:

(1) Research Conjuration 9.

(2) You need 5 level-4 death mages, if needed research a bit Construction and forge Skull Staves to meet that requirement.

(3) Now that you have your level-4 death mages, use them cast 5 Ghost Riders each turn on your own capital, and have your remaining mages and the Lizard Kings patrol there.

(4) If your mages and priests survive this exercise for, say, 10 successive months, they should be considered fit and able to deal with everything Ermor will throw at them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

PvK March 26th, 2004 03:47 AM

Re: Undead retreated?
 
And/or use less powerful mages casting Pale Riders? And/or use priests. A Wraith Lord and/or Eater of the Dead might serve well, if you can keep enough other units around and still amass gems. Looks grim, though.

Is Ermor led by the AI or a human?

PvK


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