What does "group with" mean?
 

Ok, two real noob question: I've been reading Blitz' Arcoscophile quick-guide (which is hard since it's very funny to read as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ), and he suggests to "...Stack your mammoths with all your hypaspists and cardaces. This way they don't rout...".

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• <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why does this increase the morale of the elephants?</font>

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• <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How exactly do you stack/group for this morale boost to work? Do I put the Elephants and Hypaspists on the same line/squad under the commander, or can they be separated in different squads?</font>

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Re: What does "group with" mean?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This increases the Morale of the Elephants for 2 reasons. 1.) It is the AVERAGE of total morale that a squad uses when doing morale checks. So (1) 5 Morale Unit in the same squad as (9) 10 Morale units would have an average Morale (even for the one with 5 Base Morale) of 9.5.
2.) There is a Morale Bonus for the larger size of squad that you have. So more people in squads means a higher average morale.


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• <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How exactly do you stack/group for this morale boost to work? Do I put the Elephants and Hypaspists on the same line/squad under the commander, or can they be separated in different squads?</font>

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They must be in the same squad. So, in the same line.

Re: What does "group with" mean?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A swift and clear answer, thanks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Now I know why I couldn't make it work - I put them in different squads http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: What does "group with" mean?
 

I don't believe the morale of mindless units is averaged into the formula since they have morale with 30 or 50. Otherwise 2 units with 50 morale would unbalance an entire group.

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Heh, when I woke up this morning my first thought was exactly that: Why not group with units that never break? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
So how do I know which units count in this equation and which are ignored?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because, IIRC, if the squad breaks (since they are not figured into the equation), they will dissolve or do whatever they do if there are no commanders for them left on the battlefield. Again IIRC, mindless units (morale 50) do not figure into the morale equations. Don't know about non-mindless non-breakables (morale 30), but I think they don't factor in either. The difference is that they will just flee, and not die from routing. Berserking units (morale 99)also don't count, as their squad can rout but they will keep on fighting.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ok, but anyone know for sure exactly which unit-types count and which don't?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Do you mean there is an actual separate bonus for having more units, besides the fact that larger Groups aren't as impacted by a few morale losses?

Do you know what the numbers are (ie: the size of the bonus or the amount of necessary units to get it?)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Really? I seem to remember a post from the devs a long time ago that this wouldn't work and that if the squad routs, they will dissolve. Are you sure that the battle Lasted long enough to allow for this to happen? They hardly dissolve right away when, e.g., all undead commanders die either, it takes time.

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Found it http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...=001110#000000 - Kristoffer's post.

[ June 10, 2004, 19:54: Message edited by: HJ ]

Re: What does "group with" mean?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's not true. I regularly would dump the free flags and militia in with the rest of my longdeads, and the flags and militia would simply chicken out independently of the skellies. The longdeads were unaffected by this and kept fighting.