T\'ien Chi super combatant wizards?
 

I'm curious to know if anyone has managed to create a T'ien C'hi (Spring and Autumn) wizard -e.g. Celestial Master (others?) who is a viable combatant. With so few hit points, they seem very weak, and so I just have them cast spells from the rear.

Also, can a team of wizards only (no troops) win? I'm picturing the Chinese heroes in movies who know karate and are magical, going up against hordes. But, it seems that when one hero dies and their are no troops, the whole group routes. This is strange because when the special event where your province is attacked by the troll raider and his group, this does not appear to be the case (despite the fact that they are all heroes).

Thanks,
Merry

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">On a slightly similar note I saw R'lyehian PD commander who didn't rout after his forces first routed and then died. Continued bLasting whole time, until my troops took him down. Some 'real' recruits (ichtyids) were in the defenders. It seems that there are exceptions to both "Commanders rout after all troops are dead/routing" and "Commanders rout if only bodyguards/commanders were left one one of the guards/commanders died" -rules.

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[ July 03, 2004, 17:08: Message edited by: Endoperez ]

Re: T\'ien Chi super combatant wizards?
 

It's looked to me like, for PD, if all the troops die in one turn, but the leader is alive, then the leader has a good chance to charge in. If the troops die slowly enough that they have time to take a morale check and rout, then the leader tends to rout with them.

PvK

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You mean a combatant in the sense of a melee mage? I suppose the immortal heroes could pull it off, they wont rout in their own dominion -- but why would you want that? My Tien super-duper mages kick much more butt casting spells than karate-chopping with a wraith sword....

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What spells does he cast?

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Almost all TC mages' fighting skills aren't very good, which is either too bad or a good thing, depending on your point of view. If their attack and defense were in the 10-12 range, I'd indeed be very tempted to turn them into self-buffing SC's, since they're both sacred and able to cast good buff spells on themselves. Quickness + Fire/Water blessing plus ethereal, mirror image, various shields, etc... can get pretty scary.

It might make a good extra theme for TC, though. For a nation derived from a martial-arts-oriented culture, TC doesn't have many very skilled fighters.

PvK

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Tien Chi mages don't know martial arts, hence the weakness in melee. In fact, I think Lu Tung Pin is probably the only Spring and Autumn commander resembling anything close to a martial artist.

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Have you ever seen any of the Chinese made movies where the different gods and super heroes duke it out using their super powers? I'm thinking along those lines. Not exactly martial arts, but it would be fun to be able to have a team of commanders decked out with powerful weapons and spells, roaming around defeating evil.

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Yeah, Merry, my parents live off those movies/soaps. But not all Chinese people can kill you in four different ways with their pinky toe alone... Even though I rather like that stereotype... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Anyways, tinkthank is right, Celestial Masters are best off sniping like a coward.