Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

I love my Treelords and envision my Ents marching to victory.

Unfortunately, my opponent envisions the forests ablaze.

Is there any combination of items, spells, or wily tricks which can take my Treelords from 50% Fire Susceptible to 100% Fire Resistant?

Any help is appreciated!

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Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

Sure. Because of a bug, the Burning Pearl gives 100% fire resistance instead of 50%. Add a ... dragon helm, or a fire sword, or fiery armor, etc, it should be easy to get 150% added on, even without anything hard to get. (As long as you have fire magic / gems.)

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

I think Treelords are devoid of both hand and body slots, unfortunately.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

You know, one way to improve treelords would be to give them an 'Awaken Woods' command. When in a forest province it would summon (also immobile) mini-treelord-like troops. A bit like the elemental royalty 'Summon Allies' command. After all, the Treelords have the same gem cost as the kings/queens.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

I'm afraid you don't understand the depth of the problem. It has to do with the mechanics of resistance.

Let's say I equip the Treelord with a Burning Pearl (100% FR) and a Ring of Fire (100% FR). I still have only 50% FR because the maximum the game will allow me to get from items is 100%. Since I start at -50%, I only get to 50% FR.

But I'm clever and elect to empower my Treelord to Fire-1. I then script the Treelord to cast Fire Resistance. Unfortunately, the AI does not elect to cast the spell (for good reason I will learn later).

Thinking the problem is I have partial fire resistance and the AI won't cast the spell since it would be "wasted," I script for Fire Shield (which confers a 50% FR). But Fire Shield adds nothing to my Burning Pearl and Ring of Fire. I remain max'd out at 50% FR.

So perhaps some of the Gods of this game with greater understanding than I posess can chime in and tell me that it is hopeless. It is probably designed into the game this way that if you are fire susceptible, you can never be fire immune.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You can get to fire immune from fire susceptible, but it takes more equipment slots than a Treelord has.

The stacking rules for item immunity is currently that no immunity of a given type and magnitude stacks with an immunity of identical type and magnitude: Thus, you can stack 100 FR with 50 FR for 150 FR, but you cannot stack 100 FR with another 100 FR, or 50 FR with another 50 FR.

As for spells, a unit refuses to cast spells for resistance if it currently has ANY resistance. Also, it does not appear to be the case that resistances from the same school of magic will stack with themselves: Instead, the best is used.

One thing you can try is maybe stacking "Phoenix Power" (50 FR, Fire) with "Resist Fire" (W+E Version). PP should raise resistance to neutral, which means that he should still be willing to cast resistance.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You can stack two 50 resistance items for 100 resistance. A good example is an elemental armour and a sculuta volumnus.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

Your Treelords have Nature magic, so I would sugest this:

Equip them with a 100FR item, and then script them to cast Elemental Fortitude. With the spell providing FR,LR & CR the AI will be less likely to ignore the scripting as it is doing with Resist Fire.

This should give you the 100% FR you are seeking.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">But you miss the point, Graeme. If I am 50 in the hole, adding 100 only gets me to 50. I'm trying to get to 100% FR. I need to add 150% in fire resistance. My testing shows this can't be done with items alone.

Re: Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's not the experience I had, where I tried to stack a firebrand with a charcoal shield in attempt to attain 100 resistance, which didn't affect anything. Are you sure this works? Unless this was changed in the recent patch, past experience says that this wouldn't work...

[ July 13, 2004, 07:56: Message edited by: Norfleet ]