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Merry Jolkar July 20th, 2004 09:10 AM

defeat seeking arrow?
 
My T'ien Ch'i Celestial masters are getting decimated by seeking arrows. What can I do about this? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Also, is it plausible that Man is sending these? Do they have access to much wind magic? Jottenheim are the other likely candidate. Are they more plausible?

Thanks!
Merry

[ July 20, 2004, 08:12: Message edited by: Merry Jolkar ]

Norfleet July 20th, 2004 09:24 AM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
I'd definitely blame Man: Man easily has the Air Magic to do this. The solutions for avoiding this arrowing problem: You can build tons of scout chaff, and have them set to something other than Hide, whereupon they'll distract some arrows (and get hit), but they're much cheaper than Celestial Masters and probably will even survive a single arrow. Alternatively, you can forge robes of missile protection and lucky pendants for your masters, both of which reduce the odds of hitting if an arrow locks onto them. Combining the two works even better, since then the odds that a master is targetted at all is reduced lowered, and even if one is, the odds of a successful hit are similarly reduced.

Merry Jolkar July 20th, 2004 02:28 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
Norfleet,
Thanks for the advice. How much damage does the arrow do, BTW?
There are also province shields of various sorts, right? Do they stop the arrow?
Merry

[ July 20, 2004, 13:29: Message edited by: Merry Jolkar ]

Cainehill July 20th, 2004 02:33 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I'd definitely blame Man: Man easily has the Air Magic to do this. The solutions for avoiding this arrowing problem: You can build tons of scout chaff, and have them set to something other than Hide, whereupon they'll distract some arrows (and get hit), but they're much cheaper than Celestial Masters and probably will even survive a single arrow. Alternatively, you can forge robes of missile protection and lucky pendants for your masters, both of which reduce the odds of hitting if an arrow locks onto them. Combining the two works even better, since then the odds that a master is targetted at all is reduced lowered, and even if one is, the odds of a successful hit are similarly reduced.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Doesn't etherealness also help? Or no, because the arrow is magic - never mind. High armor does at least help the mages survive though.

Merry Jolkar July 20th, 2004 02:46 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
Thank you Cainhill. So, how much armor do I need to stop these buggers?

tinkthank July 20th, 2004 02:50 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
I am not even sure it is a "real" arrow at all (I mean: treated like a real battle sequence).

I think there are only 3 outcomes to this event:
(I may be wrong)

1. You die
2. You survive, but got an ugly chestwound
3. You manage to survive the incident without a scratch

There seems to be some consensus that missile protection helps; I am unsure about luck, and about armor, however. I cant seem to see a difference. I think the mechanics of the event are not too clear. Maybe I am wrong though.

Boron July 20th, 2004 03:14 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by tinkthank:
I am not even sure it is a "real" arrow at all (I mean: treated like a real battle sequence).

I think there are only 3 outcomes to this event:
(I may be wrong)

1. You die
2. You survive, but got an ugly chestwound
3. You manage to survive the incident without a scratch

There seems to be some consensus that missile protection helps; I am unsure about luck, and about armor, however. I cant seem to see a difference. I think the mechanics of the event are not too clear. Maybe I am wrong though.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">hm i never got so far the 3. outcome that it didn't hit me anyway .

does it do a limited amount of damage or how does it work ?
if i play pythium or tien chi and so on my valuable lowhp mages always die http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

how is it with jotun e.g. ?
since i never played them farer than turn 5 i have no expierience . but if there is a damage roll have their mages enough hitpoints that they only suffer a chestwound and nothing more ?

Graeme Dice July 20th, 2004 03:25 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Boron:
but if there is a damage roll have their mages enough hitpoints that they only suffer a chestwound and nothing more ?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There is a damage roll, and it appears to be similar to an arrow fired from a magical bow. I'm not sure whether it's a longbow or shortbow however.

Boron July 20th, 2004 03:40 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Boron:
but if there is a damage roll have their mages enough hitpoints that they only suffer a chestwound and nothing more ?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There is a damage roll, and it appears to be similar to an arrow fired from a magical bow. I'm not sure whether it's a longbow or shortbow however. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">thnx for the info graeme http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

hm according to zen's miqr a longbow of accuracy does 14 damage without strenghtsbonus .
so it is 14 + 2d6 oe right ?

a jotun skratti e.g. has 32 hp , 9 protection .
even if he had 0 protection he could only be killed if the 2d6 throw is oe right ?

so even unequipped jotun and pangenea standard mages and others with many hitpoints and / or good protection can only be hit by a lucky open ended throw so not very often while e.g. a pythium arch theurg has almost no chance to survive ?

Curath July 20th, 2004 03:52 PM

Re: defeat seeking arrow?
 
Sunray's Dom 2 Library extra info on spells says Seeking Arrow does 5-15 damage. Anti-missile items and etherealness offer protection. Also, Perpetual Storm will blow 75% of Seeking Arrows off course. Province shielding spells should work, since it's an incoming spell.


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