Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

Just a quick suggestion for solving the issue that the Moloch routs as soon as his spawned imps die/rout: change the imps' hardcoded default command to 'guard commander' instead of 'attack closest'.

The Moloch will remain in play even if all the bodyguards bite the dust.

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

How to change it?

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

No this wouldn't work.

If the only participants on your side is a commander with bodyguards, the commander will rout as soon as the first bodyguard is killed (or perhaps only wounded). This has happened to me with a PoD with a skeleton-only bodyguard. He didn't get to summon anything before a "flying" triton caused everything to rout [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
(I then changed them to hold and attack closest and all was well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif )

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

So could the imps be put on "hold and attack," I wonder http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

This won't work, but it inspired me to a solution that would: Ignore combat summon monsters when calculating a rout. That would fix imps, phantasmal warriors, skeletons, whatever.

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

Ignoring Combat summons would un-neuter the Moloch, but would really change a whole lotta other battles.

After you have combat summoned a couple of unbreakable units (false horrors/skeleton/etc) to augment one of your large armies of mundane troops, you pretty much don't have to worry about the entire army routing off unless the summoned unbreakables all die. Individual Groups might flee after taking damage, but the entire army is pretty secure even if you only have a measly summoned skeleton or two in the back with a necromancer...

Though it does seem kind of silly that a group of cowards are somehow influenced by the morale of unbreakable units, both combat summoned ones and ones you bring into the battle. Why does mixing a single crippled claymen (so he doesn't engage anyone anytime soon) with a group of Hydras make them feel so confident?

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

To re-ask an earlier question, how is it even possible to set the orders for the automatically-summoned imps?
Thanks!

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

It didn't read like a question in the original post, but to answer it:
It's not possible.

There's been many discussions on this in many threads two of the most prominent are:

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...451&Forum=,,,,f74,,,,&Words=Moloch&Searchpage=4& Limit=25&Main=275451&Search=true&where =bodysub&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=5& amp;newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=&b odyprev=#Post275451

And the ongoing poll thread where the bigger issues surrounding routing (and other things) are being discussed:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...o=&fpart=1

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

One solution I see would be adding a new type of unit called imp guardians which are the same as regular imps yet they don't fly thus allowing them to stay alive longer.

Re: Moloch rout solution -> imps as bodyguards?
 

Is this whole thing just a thread to make the Moloch just like the other pretenders?
He is great as a support character or as an alement in an army of say devils. Why does he need to be any different?

Pickles