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BigJim September 27th, 2005 04:15 AM

Tank Main Gun vs Helo\'s
 
Can anyone shed some light on this situation in a real life setting??? I have NEVER seen nor heard of a tank taking down a helo with its main gun, yet in this game it is a regular occurrance????

Mobhack September 27th, 2005 04:40 AM

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BigJim said:
Can anyone shed some light on this situation in a real life setting??? I have NEVER seen nor heard of a tank taking down a helo with its main gun, yet in this game it is a regular occurrance????

Against a very slow moving or hovering helo, it is not a large problem. Helo low is 50 or so feet, and high is really only 200-500 feet or so.

Keep helos moving so they get too difficult to track wit the main gun - if you hover, you are just a target waiting to be bisected by a 2000+ foot per second shell http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Cheers
Andy

JaM September 27th, 2005 06:42 AM

Re: Tank Main Gun vs Helo\'s
 
Israeli Merkava Mk4 and Mk3 BAZ are capable track even helicopters moving at high speed due to autotracker

hveldenz September 27th, 2005 08:46 AM

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I have noticed this too. In my experience with a US vs China/NK campaign in the 90's, it seems to be the more modern Chinese MBT (type 98s and Type 85-II/IIIs) that try that trick. I haven noticed an anomoly though (And I don't know how to get a save game for this event): An AH-64D fires at a MBT 30-40 hexes with a Hellfire from a standing hover - a hidden MBT fires its main gun (1-3% hit chance by the yellow bar - First MBT is scorched by the Hellfire at 99% hit and brews up - AH-64D still has same number of Shots, esp. another hellfire, for the turn! It is like an extra shot if you survive.

Seems like a coding quirk or bug.

I move all my helos 20 or so hexes before the turns end, and that seems to cut down on main gun fire. And with the AH-64D - I hang them back due to their 60 VIsion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Double_Deuce September 27th, 2005 09:21 AM

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BigJim said:
Can anyone shed some light on this situation in a real life setting??? I have NEVER seen nor heard of a tank taking down a helo with its main gun, yet in this game it is a regular occurrance????

In the US Army we trained to engage helo's BUT it was only to be done IF you or another tank in your unit were being engaged.

MajorBrian September 27th, 2005 09:31 PM

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One of my tanker friends used to talk about how the Snake Drivers (AH-1W)would get pissed when they were tracked by an M-1A1.

WBWilder September 28th, 2005 12:56 AM

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Interesting. I've often wondered about that possibility. I guess even Helos need to keep their distance. I would guess that even a near miss could be disastrous for a copter...or would it?

Wild Bill

BigJim September 28th, 2005 01:59 AM

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Thanks guys being an old fart like WB I never heard of such things happening but I guess in modern warfare things have gotten MUCH more complicated.

Marek_Tucan September 28th, 2005 05:20 AM

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BigJim said:
Thanks guys being an old fart like WB I never heard of such things happening but I guess in modern warfare things have gotten MUCH more complicated.

During the Yom Kippur war, a Syrian helo was taken out by a direct hit of L7 HESH round from Centurion...

AFAIK during WWII even a Shturmovik was downed with a Tiger's 88.

While these cases being rather exceptions and shows of good luck, but modern fire control makes the task much easier IMO.

WBWilder September 28th, 2005 11:17 AM

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Ah, you still haven't caught me, big Jim, (but you're getting closer!)


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