Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

Hey

I noticed that there are basically two kinds of pretenders in Dominions(2-3).

Big, costly 'giant' type pretenders, with 60+ hp, very poor ability to learn magic (cost 50+); generally designed for being SCs, I think.

Then there are little 'rainbow' pretenders like Archmage, Druid, Great Sage. These cost very little, but are also very fragile and it's probably very risky to use them in combat as support casters or something. It's probably just site searching, research and rituals with them. New paths are very cheap (10) for these pretenders.

I see no (or very, very little) middle ground pretenders. I'd like to pay like 50 design points and get something that's perhaps too weak to go into melee, but can serve as support caster and survive a battle if I'm cautious. And I'd like path costs to be fairly reasonable, like 20-30. I'd use Ritual of Returning etc.
There are immortal pretenders, but these are VERY expensive.
20-30 hp would be enough for me. National mages with so much hp aren't too rare.

The only pretender that fits description for me is Phoenix. Decent body for a support caster, immortal, already starts with 2 paths. I'd like more pretenders like this. With Phoenix, the problem is it doesn't have very many slots for spell boosters.
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Why there's such a gap in pretender choices ? Am I missing something ? I suppose I could design a Manticore (cost 0) and give it two paths ( cost 100) to get a decent support caster, but I still feel quite limited.

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

The gk is also such a pretender.
Ok he costs 120 points but only 20 points per path. With enough buffs the GK can even be used as SC, though it is risky.

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

An interesting question. Especially for me as I made a mod which basically adds just this kind of national pretender. Would you care to test Anansi mod for Machaka?

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

Yup, I too noted an increased number of expensive giant-types pretenders, and not more (if not less), middle-ground ones than in Dom2... VQ and GK are too expensive, and the only other "middle guy" than Phoenix is the Virtue.

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

And Moloch and PoD. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

It's no wonder Dominions2 was dominated by SuperCombatants. I see SC pretenders, Rainbow pretenders, and scale/bless immobile pretenders.

I have a feeling KO loves SC's. I almost expect him to post here, his message containing at least one smiley.

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

KO loves big godly gods, not necessarily SC's.

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What kind of a god is a god who isn't godly? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

Crone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Lack of middle ground pretenders
 

She has a good reason to try and become one, though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif