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Dimitry April 19th, 2007 09:55 AM

AH-6J LBird
 
OBAT 12 Unuts 272 and 273 AH-6J LBird

Well, since DRG has no intention of reworking some helicopters size untill next patch - I will leave the question about LDird's size till the fall.

But as for EW of 8 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

As usual - first question is plain logical - how can a small 2-men armed chopper carry such a powerful EW system?
To say nothing of any documentary proof http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

So here is the link about LBird's EW

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/oh-6.htm

".....Survivability....· Some models have radar warning receivers. .....· Chaff and flare systems available. ....· Infrared signature suppressors can be mounted on engine exhausts...."

Again - infrared jamming equipment (in-game EW size of 3).

thatguy96 April 19th, 2007 05:21 PM

Re: AH-6J LBird
 
I would agree that this seems high for the systems involved on the AH-6/MH-6. I'm not as well informed as to the specifics though, and I'm also not sure what the rest of the H-6/Huges 500 series looks like throughout the rest of the game. I would suggest looking over that and coming up with some reasonable numbers.

whdonnelly April 20th, 2007 01:05 AM

Re: AH-6J LBird
 
Sorry that I can't find the statistics yet, but I do know that some of the little birds have the most state of the art aircraft survival equiptment available, based on some special mission profiles. Maybe not to be compared to jets, but pretty impressive for a helocopter.
Also, reactive jamming has came a long way in the last few years.
Will

Dimitry April 20th, 2007 08:11 AM

Re: AH-6J LBird
 
2 thatguy96

Thank you for your answer.
As far as I know there are not so many in-game H-6/Huges 500 modifications with such high EW. I would say most of them have ~EW of 5. Anyway I will take a closer look at them. For now I can say that the reduction of AH-6J's EW down to, let's say, 5, should not lead to any conflicts with other OOB's.

2 whdonnelly

Quote:

whdonnelly said:
Sorry that I can't find the statistics yet, but I do know that some of the little birds have the most state of the art aircraft survival equiptment available, based on some special mission profiles. Maybe not to be compared to jets, but pretty impressive for a helocopter.
Also, reactive jamming has came a long way in the last few years.
Will

Well, we must admit that the most efficient AH-6J's survival equipment is it's size. As I have already told in my previous post, I will leave the question about it's size till the fall. So for now it is 1. I don't know (yet) any choppers in the game that are such small.

May be you're talking about the MELB LBirds?
Here's what found on the net (see my link in prevous post)

".....FY2000 funds provide for the integration of the Allison 250-C30/R3 engine, and Full Authority Digital Electronic Control software refinement into the Mission Enhanced Little Bird (MELB) aircraft. This provides extensive Electro Magnetic Interference/Electro Magnetic Countermeasure (EMI/EMC) testing for the MELB aircraft. This includes shipboard compatibility, full certificate at the Dahlgren facility and additional shielding/protection for the aircraft systems....."

But as we can see from the name of the fund it is late 90's - not 1983 or even 1989.

And after all, you must remember that AH-6 "Little Bird" is an armed variant of the same OH-6A.
So look at the picture and tell me, can this small helicopter have enough free space for powerful Electronic Attack/Radar Jamming system?
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/oh-6_copter.jpg

whdonnelly April 20th, 2007 06:14 PM

Re: AH-6J LBird
 
Sorry. I was referring to the stuff that has been developed in the last 3-4 years, which is relatively low powered and not much bigger than an ice chest. It generally is in the belly or sometimes behind the crew seats.

Dimitry April 23rd, 2007 10:56 AM

Re: AH-6J LBird
 
Quote:

Sorry. I was referring to the stuff that has been developed in the last 3-4 years

No, that's allright.

At least I guess that we've come to the conclusion that for now LBird's EW may be reduced down to 5 without any conflicts with other OOB's.
So maybe DRG will find some time and fix LBird's EW in the oncoming patch?


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